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I'm wondering if any of you have had any health problems from all the solvents, plastics, etc., used today. I never have, but the stuff I use a lot has been mostly limited to a few simple things like turp, min spirits, oil paint, ink, a little varnish, shellac, etc.
I was in a body shop and auto painting place, just briefly one time, and thought that the atmosphere in there wd kill me in an hour.
-------------------- dennis kiernan independent artist san francisco, calif, usa Posts: 907 | From: san francisco, ca usa | Registered: Feb 2010
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When Dupont introduced Imron, it took 3 weeks to kill a painter friend of mine that had sprayed nothing prior other than lacquer...urethanes today are at least 5 times as deadly.....back then a paper mask was sufficient, now a air tight suit is needed to afford a relatively safe atmosphere to spray modern products...not to mention the effects of other paint related products, such as cleaners...etc....
-------------------- Frank Magoo, Magoo's-Las Vegas; fmagoo@netzero.com "the only easy day was yesterday" Posts: 2365 | From: Las Vegas, Nv. | Registered: Jun 2003
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I don't know about the chemicals but the clients have me mumbling to myself and fighting imaginary battles all the time,not to mention the arguments I have with the guy who lives in my head,...
-------------------- fly low...timi/NC is, Tim Barrow Barrow Art Signs Winston-Salem,NC Posts: 2224 | From: Winston-Salem,NC,USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Trouble is, many times we don't know what the problem is, until it's too late. Nowadays, everything is over-labled and over-regulated. If you read all the stuff posted, you could get seizures or hemmoragic stroke, from aspirin or TUMS.
Way back, there weren't warnings on cigarettes, or lacquer thinner, or paints (except FLAMMABLE).
I've known several guys over the years, who died as a result of spraying without adequate protection. Even in more recent years, Imron and others of those types of paint were sprayed with only a respirator. It wasn't known (or maybe wasn't publicized) that this stuff can go in through your skin.
I don't know that I've suffered from the use of that stuff, early on; but then, this brain damage had to come from somewhere........
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It doesnt matter you could spray this stuff wearing a nasa suit for your whole career and then die of second hand smoke or get run over by a street trolley
there are so many labels and warnings and other pointless junk on stuff now I pay no attention to anything. Who reads all that anyway? I think we are "OVERWARNED" on everything in this world
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"there are so many labels and warnings and other pointless junk on stuff now I pay no attention to anything. Who reads all that anyway? I think we are "OVERWARNED" on everything in this world"
It's the old story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Unfortunately, all the companies are forced to cry wolf all the time by the gvmt and the juries in civil cases, who have lost their common sense.
-------------------- dennis kiernan independent artist san francisco, calif, usa Posts: 907 | From: san francisco, ca usa | Registered: Feb 2010
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I've had 2 really bad scares- 1) spraying a "new" airbrush cleaner- outside, well ventalated area: I have an immediate attack similar to an asthma attack- threw that stuff away real fast. 2) using the spray cans of expanding foam: again, outside, well ventalated area: used about 20 cans, ended up with a severe chemical burn to my bronchial tubes-not fun!
both instances I was wearing a "mask" but obviously not the right kind...
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1735 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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Xylene and Toluene in FirstStep sign primer....wicked stuff. Sandblasting with silica sand without adequate protection is a slow death sentence. Breathing HDU dust can't be good for you either.
-------------------- Wayne Webb Webb Signworks Chipley, FL 850.638.9329 wayne@webbsignworks.com Posts: 7403 | From: Chipley,Florida,United States | Registered: Oct 1999
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Rusty, you would be a fool not to use the mask function in Photoshop. It's there for a reason and the new CS5 has more filters which I assume are there for our protection.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2785 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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When doing window splash before 2000 I used purple stuff as a window cleaner to help get paint off, had a large job to clean wind was blowing it back alot ended up with a severe rash on both hands and arms yuk took a month to rid of. egad it looked nasty
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I said I had never had any problems, but actually I'm not sure about that. A couple years ago I developed eczema on the back of my hands and I cant get rid of it. The problem is that there are many varieties of eczema, it has 100s of causes and the doctors cant tell which one it is and none of the popular cures, like cortisone, do the trick most of the time. Individuals say they cured their own case using anything from aloe vera to Chinese herbs, but they're all isolated cases.
So far, I've tried cortisone and later, tea tree oil which an Australian told me about. Did nothing.
As for the boy that cried wolf, you'll find artists, particularly young ones, who are deathly afraid of lead-based paint, or who equate linseed oil with petroleum and proudly say they use soy-based mediums. (Soy makes homely girls look beautiful, you know.)
-------------------- dennis kiernan independent artist san francisco, calif, usa Posts: 907 | From: san francisco, ca usa | Registered: Feb 2010
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Personally, I think a good dose of caution is warranted when using any of this stuff. Much of it is overblown. Many of us have used lead-based paints for most of our lives and not had any measureable effects from it. I say measureable because we are all different; some of us may be more tolerant (like alcohol), or maybe we take a little more pains keeping ourselves clean. I've seen some guys that wear their work. Can't be good. I've seen others spraying Lacryl with no respirator, while smoking a cigarette. Stupid for sure, but not much in ill effects, at least for quite a long time.
Our govmint is now in the process of telling us how much fat we can have, how much sugar we can have, what restaurants not to eat in, etc. One day soon, we may see Biden in a tyvek suit, giving proper instructions on how to shoot Imron. I can't wait for that.
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· On a blanket from Taiwan: Not to be used as protection from a tornado. · · Warning on fireplace log: Caution -- Risk of Fire. · · A warning on a pair of shin guards manufactured for bicyclists: Shin pads cannot protect any part of the body they do not cover. · · Warning on an electric router made for carpenters: This product not intended for use as a dental drill. · · On a bottle of shampoo for dogs: Caution: The contents of this bottle should not be fed to fish. · · On a hair dryer: Do not use in shower. · · On Marks & Spencer bread pudding: Product will be hot after heating. · · On a string of Chinese made Christmas lights: For indoor or outdoor use only. · · On Sainsbury's peanuts: Warning: Contains nuts. · · On an American Airlines packet of nuts: Instructions - open packet, eat nuts. · · On some frozen dinners: Serving suggestion: defrost. · · On a hotel provided shower cap: Fits one head. · · On Nytol Nighttime Sleep-Aid: Warning: May cause drowsiness. · · Warning on a cartridge for a laser printer: Do not eat toner. · · A wheel 13" a wheelbarrow warns: Not for highway use.
· Can of self-defense pepper spray warns: May irritate eyes. · · Warning on a Conair Pro Style 1600 hair dryer: Never use while sleeping. · · Silly Putty package warning: Not for use as earplugs. · · On a bag of Fritos: You could be a winner! No purchase necessary. Details inside. · · Baby stroller warning: Remove child before folding. · · Household iron warns: Never iron clothes while they are being worn. · · A fireplace lighter cautions: Do not use near fire, flame or sparks. · · A handheld massager warns consumers: Don't use while sleeping or unconscious. · · Warning on underarm deodorant: Do not spray in eyes. · · Cardboard car sun shield that keeps sun off the dashboards warns: Do not drive with sun shield in place. · · Warning on a sharpening stone: Knives are sharp. · · Bottle water label warns: Twist top off with hands. Throw top away. Do not put top in mouth. · · On a box or rat poison: Warning: Has been found to cause cancer in laboratory mice. · · On a Domino's Pizza box: Caution: Contents hot! · · Toilet bowl cleaning brush warns: Do not use orally. · · An electric cattle prods warns: For use on animals only · · A can of air freshener warns: Keep out of reach of children and teenagers · · Cheap rubber ball toy warning: Choking hazard: This toy is a small ball. · · Caution on a package of dice: Not for human consumption. · · In the manual of a chainsaw: Do not attempt to stop the blade with your hand. · · Stamped on the barrel of a .22 caliber rifle: Warning: Misuse may cause injury or death. · · Instructions for an electric thermometer: Do not use orally after using rectally. · · On the wrapper of a Fruit Roll-Up snack: Remove plastic before eating. · · A TV remote controller warns: Not dishwasher safe.
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David....I learned that lesson the same way!!!
OUCH OUCH!!!
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This reminded me of the joke about the guy who got pain in his eye whenever he was drinking coffee. When the doctor told him to take the spoon out of his cup, the pain cleared up.
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Seriously, I read once about a type of lighting that somehow made a spinning table saw blade look frozen, stopped. And that this type of light is now outlawed in industrial settings. I've tried to find where I read this, but can't. I don't think I dreamed it. If the story is true, then surely government intervention in this case was a good thing.
-------------------- Brad Ferguson See More Signs 7931 Wornall Rd Kansas City, MO 64111 signbrad@yahoo.com 816-739-7316 Posts: 1230 | From: Kansas City, MO, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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eczema, all skin on hands disapeared, only thing I found helped permanently was carbamid cream, just cover them in it.Also good to put on before painting, it stops solvents getting into the poures of skin and make it easy to wipe the paint of with a damp rag. Buy fastdrying no fat type
-------------------- Stein Saether GullSkilt AS Trondheim Posts: 1183 | From: Trondheim Norway | Registered: Nov 1998
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Years ago I was at a trade show. Bob Bond was there demoing pin striping. When someone asked him why he wasn't concerned about palleting his brush through his bare fingers with the One shot containing lead. He said that just a while back he got a heavy metals test because he had been handling lead paint for many years with his bare skin. He was worried that they would find a hefty concentration of lead in his system. His test came back 0.0 lead in his system. So I guess as long as you didn't drink the old formula, you are alright.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5396 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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Us humans love to complain...I include myself...if there's nothing to complain about we will find something...personally I like being informed...I read nutrition facts, ingredients, and warnings...afterall this pertains to our health and safety...more information is a good thing to me...if all the warnings and such were taken off products I guarantee we would be complaining in the opposite direction...it's a part of our contentious stubborn human nature...of course some of us have it to a greater degree than others.
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"if all the warnings and such were taken off products I guarantee we would be complaining in the opposite direction..." Well, sure, but it all comes down to common sense. You can hardly enter a bldg anymore without seeing a sign that there are cancer-causing agents inside, so no one pays any attention to them. It's like the stupid burglar alarms on cars, that go off whenever a radio taxi passes by. Nobody even looks at the car with the alarm, except maybe the neighbor who was waked up at 2 a.m.
-------------------- dennis kiernan independent artist san francisco, calif, usa Posts: 907 | From: san francisco, ca usa | Registered: Feb 2010
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Even as stupid as they sound...I'll bet many of the funny warnings that Si posted above are there because that company was sued over the same issue or similar in the past...we live in a crazy litigious society where sometimes even the most absurd lawsuit can win big money...I wouldn't be surprized if they exist as legal protections.
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Dennis..."common sense" is only as good as the information you base it on...I still contend that more information is better...I want to be informed for the sake of my health and safety...antifreeze is very sweet tasting but I don't keep a jug in my frig for consumption because I've been warned against it on the label...you don't have to abide by warnings or even read them if don't want...but my "common sense" tells me different.
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Darn, I think there is way more poisons in our food than in our equipment/paint. How many animals do we consume that may have cancers, and we'd never know about it. Just squish em' up and make em' them into burgers. Yummm yumm! "Yes, I'll have mine with some pee and pestiside laced lettuce". My liver doesn't have any problems dealing with paint fumes and dirty finger nails. As long as I don't overload it. I also concur with Dave story about Bob Bonds blood test.
-------------------- Signs by Alicia Jennings (Mudflap Girl) Tacoma, WA Since 1987 Have Lipstick, will travel. Posts: 3813 | From: Tacoma, WA. U.S.A. | Registered: Dec 1999
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I think it's a case by case thing. Not everybody reacts the same. Frank lost a friend to spraying Imron, yet there are probably hundreds or thousands of others that it hasn't affected. I had a customer a few years back that developed a reaction to urethanes and isocyanates. This guy ran an alignment shop. The only time he was ever around urethanes was when he had his race car painted yet he had a sever reaction to it and remained extremely sensitive to it. He would come into my shop and go "you've got freshly painted stuff in here, don't you?" these parts might have been painted over a week prior at another location but somehow it made him sick. My best friend, Bob "Cos" Cosgrove had a reaction to spraying One Shot through an airbrush some years back that put him in the hospital. Smoking causes lung cancer yet not everybody that smokes gets lung cancer.
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