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Kissy, well said. I would only hope that you might understand that others feel the same way when you intolerantly dawg them out (often when they are not present) for things they do that you don't like. . . . I too find such behavior extremely rude and disrespectful.
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"Look like a girl, act like a lady, think like a man, work like a dog" Posts: 5758 | From: "Sweet Home" Alabama | Registered: Mar 2003
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Let's say a 60 year old guy has a sexual preference for a 10 year old girl...and a ten year old girl for a 60 year old man. They both declare their undying love for one another. They genuinely and sincerely believe their love to be true. Should they be allowed to marry? If they aren't allowed, is this age discrimination?
Of course, we'd all agree that this is idiotic...but then as little as 10 years ago, the thought that 2 men or 2 women might marry was thought in the same light.
I read a bizzare story the other day about a young kid that raped his neighbors dog....apparantly his preference was bestiality. Is it acceptable?
Where does it end?
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What I find interesting is how language gets redirected in a social engineering project. One example is this term homophobic. Would I also be called child molester-ophobic? Or murderer-ophobic?
Fear of a ruined society may have some influence, but in cases like these, there are two other emotions that take priority over fear.
There are some obscured truths here than can be distilled as it were. I think the essence of what Barry is getting at is identity. Why is it that homosexuals (gays in newspeak) see themselves so much as a sexual preference? If I had a bedroom deviation, I wouldn't be making it public or seeking to gain public acceptance.
Which brings up another social engineering revision: the definition of tollerance. Nowadays, it has been changed to mean acceptance. I can disapprove of someone's conduct, and still tolerate them. In fact I would hope I would have the courage to phisically intervene in a brutal case like happened to Jean-Claude, if I were there. But what people want is for me to approve of these ideas. Sorry, non-negotiable.
When I was in California, the last float in the Gay Pride Parade was the man-boy love association float. Interesting how that makes it's own analogy. Once you legislate rights for behavior, the door is open. Already there are proffessors changing pedofile to "trans gender sex". I'm not making this up, and when you see them changing the language, well, guess what's next.
From what I understand, there is no reliable research to support the "gay gene" theory. But even if there were, do we change the law for behavior? What if violence is inherited? Or Drunkeness? For better or worse folks, tampering with the law and society in these ways is a one way street to destruction.
How many of the mightiest societies collapsed from inward corruption, rather that outward force?
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A couple of posts bring up the usual twisted view that gay somehow equals being a pedophile or into beastiality.
Nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to the pedophilia issue as its proven that most pedophiles are straight when it comes to their sexual orientation. And those people don't even identify their crime as anything homosexual but rather as sex, plain and simple.
As for the bestiality argument... Can't think of the last time I walked through the wildlife park and got turned on by the big strong tigers! But I do see a lot of porn available online and in video stores showing females and other critters in suggestive poses... so the gay connection is gone again.
As for NAMBLA - thats not a gay group. Its a group who condones an illegal activity: sexual relationships between adults and children.
I'm 34 and can't imagine having any type of pleasure from a 10 year old. Its just not in my mindset and I can't picture any of my friends advocating or being in a relationship with anyone that young as we have law-abiding morals and standards.
If that group got a float in a gay pride parade then the complaint should go to those who chaired the planning committee. You (ie. Joe Public) could have complained to the first cop you saw if it offended you. That would have gotten the ball rolling and an investigation started. But I can assure you that you'd never see anything like that in our local parade.
I guess the line is still there when considering what is a legal relationship (consenting adults) and what is illegal - child molestation and beastiality. And the line is well defined!
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Todd... how everyone "THINKS" or "ACTS" are two different things.
Everyone's thoughts are valid... but if you want to think up all your gross exaggerations of the rarest of deviant behaviors in the world... the act of parading those verbal images in front of us just to trump up some remote point... well, I for one could do without it.
I don't want to get political either, but as for your little chaos-breeds-control-breeds-order-breeds-vulnerability-breeds-deviance-breeds-renewed chaos theory... it still doesn't justify all the laws that have been passed... in fact the way the powers that be are behaving today may be more an evidence of the chaos part of the cycle then the order part.
quote: tampering with the law and society in these ways is a one way street to destruction
jeezeees.. what utter BS .. oh wait.. I mean.."I respectfully disagree"
you make it sound like the CURRENT laws in place at this particular nanosecond in time... in your particular culture & nation... as if these laws are THEE law!!
"Tampering" with the law and society... are exactly how law AND society have come to be... & they are both kinetic & evolving concepts... the only one way street about it is that change happens... and time marches on!
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with evolution comes harmful mutation Doug. In nature, far more harm than good comes from such "deviations". It's no different here. Sure there are good progressive things we have done, but there are also the mutagenic deviations to our "Law and Society" that have been FAR more detrimental than good.
Let me add to the frivolity...
How do Homosexuals reproduce? By impregnating the fragile and formable minds of OUR adolescents and teens. Most folks during those uncertain formative moments of adolescence nad puberty have been full of raging hormones and "wondered" to one degree or another about those "deviations"...the vast majority move on past it...BUT these days, most every movie, tv show, ALL of MTV and so on are flooding these fertile minds of clay with the idea that "gay is IN, HIP and COOL" More kids than ever before are experimenting in this stuff BECAUSE the gays have Flaunted pushed and shoved it.
It's confusion, distraction and misdirection from healthy normal life. It ain't gonna happen for my kids.
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Don't you people have work to do? It seems the same characters go from thread to thread, with and endless line of crap to see their name on the BB!
This endless Bulls*** is starting to get old!
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quote:Originally posted by Barry Branscum: How do Homosexuals reproduce? By impregnating the fragile and formable minds of OUR adolescents and teens. Most folks during those uncertain formative moments of adolescence nad puberty have been full of raging hormones and "wondered" to one degree or another about those "deviations"...the vast majority move on past it...BUT these days, most every movie, tv show, ALL of MTV and so on are flooding these fertile minds of clay with the idea that "gay is IN, HIP and COOL" More kids than ever before are experimenting in this stuff BECAUSE the gays have Flaunted pushed and shoved it.
It's confusion, distraction and misdirection from healthy normal life. It ain't gonna happen for my kids.
quote:Originally posted by Myra Grozinger: It is said that most of our thoughts and actions and judgments are based on either love or fear.
I see both all over this thread. Guess what I see more of?
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Just curious Barry...if one of your children came to you when they were older and told you that they were in fact gay and were in a loving, caring relationship - what would you do? Would you open your arms and be happy for them and accept their partner into your family or would you be mean and condemning?
Your children are completely seperate human beings. Just because you have an idea in your head of what their lives should be like, you can't honestly be so naive as to think that they will end up the way you want them to, are you?
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Before this post heads south, I feel a need to clarify where Letterville stands on this issue.
The World is made up of many different cultures. Over time, laws change to reflect the times. Present day laws, and most of our attitudes, are vastly different than they were at the turn of the last century.
Letterville is a Worldwide community. I like to think all of us embrace Letterheads of all race, religion and sexual preference. Fact is, we have several gay Letterhead friends including a couple that have been together going on 30 years. Who cares? I'll take any kind of love over hate anyday.
Now if some Great Dane starts sending me flowers and chocolates, I'll probably ignore him or her, and politely explain that I am already taken.
Anyone still making signs?
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quote: ...mutagenic deviations to our "Law and Society"
Wow, I didn't know the cosmic rays were hitting us THAT hard lately!
Let's be honest to ourselves. Over our lifetimes, most of us would find it hard to deny that we have been increasingly putting moral issues into the justice system. We elect those who represent our positions by a majority vote, and then expect them to create laws determinning our rights on moral issues?
Talk about a Catch 22!
Laws are made to govern society. Society chooses it's law makers.
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"How do Homosexuals reproduce? By impregnating the fragile and formable minds of OUR adolescents and teens. Most folks during those uncertain formative moments of adolescence nad puberty have been full of raging hormones and "wondered" to one degree or another about those "deviations"...the vast majority move on past it...BUT these days, most every movie, tv show, ALL of MTV and so on are flooding these fertile minds of clay with the idea that "gay is IN, HIP and COOL" More kids than ever before are experimenting in this stuff BECAUSE the gays have Flaunted pushed and shoved it.
It's confusion, distraction and misdirection from healthy normal life. It ain't gonna happen for my kids."
I can't believe what I just read above. How do we reproduce?? Well in my case I was the product of a healthy straight mother and father couple who also had my younger yet heterosexual sister. I don't know what happened, maybe my egg got too hot or too cold while mom was carrying me <eg> but I came out gay. It happens!
Being gay is not cool... once again you have erred in thinking that something is gay when it is more likely the Metro-sexual (straight men who like to act gay) fad that is going around.
As for kids experimenting in being gay - thats crap. If straight kids want to explore being the targets for riddicule, gay bashings, hatred and whatever negative crap gets thrown their way then fine, maybe the next generation of adults will be more understanding of the hardships past generations cause by the hatred and bashings. I don't wish for anyone to go through what young gays go through in the school systems and around their straight peers.
Just make sure that you keep your kids in a locked room where they can't see the TV or hear the radio or read a newspaper, cut off any magazine subscriptions, internet connections, make sure they never interact with people around them and you'll end up with the most challenging parenting task around when you realise that you tried to hide the true society from them and the end result is a socially-starved kid who doesn't know how to make his/her way in the world.
Of course I'm not sure how you'd react if one of your kids came up and said... "I'm gay". Of course by now you've probably got them so full of fear that they'll live the double-life and never be honest with themselves. Its kinda sad isn't it?
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Steve - I'm no Great Dane but can I still send you flowers and chocolate, you can always pass em along to Barb
One other quick note - can you change 'sexual preference' to "sexual orientation"? I know straight ladies who prefer the company of other women but their true sexual orientation is straight so the word preference is sort of misleading when talking about gay/straight. Thanks!
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The quote you reference KIM, in context refers to their exposure to that sort of thing.(movies, tv etc...)
As far as you're hypothetical...I find that pretty much impossible knowing my kiddos the way I do....but in the unlikely event that it did...we'd cross that bridge when we got there, so to speak.
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Now that I have read a reference to Hitler on this thread, (among other hair raising misconceptions) I know all bets are off about staying on topic. (rainbow as gay pride symbol)
A little levity may be in order
Question: What is more difficult in our society, being gay or being black? Answer: Being gay, because you don't have to tell your parents you're black.
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I have many gay friends of both sexes. I know one thing for certain from years of observation, often in close quarters:
Being gay is not catching, and being exposed to gay people, and having it openly handled and explained is the best way to prevent a young one from getting involved in confusing experimentation and behaviors.
Jean - Claude, who has my large admiration for keeping his composure - says it very well when he describes what is in store for young people who have to grapple with the realization of being "different". He ought to know.
Another funny:
When my grandson was about 2 and a half a gay woman was visiting, and it was time for dinner. When asked where Susan was, and would he call her for dinner, he said that :"She is in his room". Now there is proof, that oftentimes our kids know more, intuitively, than we give them credit for. Sheltering them from reality in order to protect them is really not the best way to go.
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I think raising children is sort of like making bread. There is a time for letting the dough rise, you can't rush it. With children, you've already got your work cut out for you, they often (usually?) come factory equiped with the tendency to lie, be selfish, etc. The parents job is to teach them selflessness, integrity, etc.
So yes, I certainly do restrict what influences come into our house, because it's dumb to have something teaching them contrary to what I want them to be like. But I replace the outside influences with serious conversations about cause and effect, and a whole lot more. Had a big discussion this morning in fact. It costs me a lot of time, but for me success isn't measured by how nice my stuff is.
My brother is a union member, probably both longshorman and teamsters. He works in a huge place loading trucks for supermarkets. There was a rumor going around there that this one guy was gay. So my brother goes right up to him and asks: "I hear you like boys". The guy says "I like MEN, not boys". He went on to tell a joke, and they have a ongoing dialog. I don't suspect gays of being pedofiles. Jean Claude had a bit of courage in coming on here like this, and unlike some, has been courteous and concise. But this thing is bigger than he or I, or Letterville all together. In that sense Doug is right, time marches on, and regardless of how repulsed a gay person may be at child molestation, these other people are already taking advantage of these changes in society, and using them to legalise their agendas.
At any rate, it's not my calling to win arguments as much as it is to blow the trumpet, and sound the warning. I've done that.
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It's still a good discussion here as long as nobody gets mean. Frankly, the VALIDITY of everyone's opinions has me confused - like many issues, I can understand both sides, and I end up somewhere in the middle. Thanks Jean-Claude, for your unique perspective, and thanks Barry for staying in the game with a "hotfoot".
Also, Steve - Snickers thinks you're sexy.
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Sonny - I think we'd all like to see the flirting Snickers! At least let Steve see his secret admirer.
James - the union story is a good one and rings close to home. Last summer at our pride parade this car full of girls and one guy is waiting for the parade to clear the intersection. The guy decided to yell pretty vulgar comment my way and it was basically asking for some sexual favour if you catch my drift. I broke away from the crowd and wandered over the car, passed buddy my business card and told him I'm be happy to accomodate him at a time convenient to both parties. I've never seen a 20 year old blush so red in my life all the while the girls are laghing their butts off and highfiving each other. He never called either but I'd love to have heard the conversation after I'd walked away from the car.
We all need to have common sense and learn to handle things with a bit more humour at times and I think it worked well that day.
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Barry, I would bet Jean could easily bash you with over blown generalizations characterizations & non-stop parody of the easily targeted high horse you riding here... but to his credit, he is not. I will not either... but I sure as hell wish you would quit dumping that crap in front of all of us.
(edited to add: James,) ...opinions are one thing but the audacity of people attempting to "blow the trumpet, and sound the warning" for all mankind... well go ahead & blowhard, but don't expect to be heard.
Hey Si... if all this thinking is hurting your head... why don't you go post some funny pictures or something?
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Doug I NEVER MADE the "BLOW the TRUMPET" comment...so stop lumping me in.
As for Jean bashing me...why would he? I have been reasonable straightforward an honest.
As for over blown characterizations...I don't know what you are talking about...I was being general, because I was referencing a sub-culture IN GENERAL..
Now why don't you voice your own opinion instead of taking the easy route of commenting on mine?
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Jean-Claude, I apologize for using sexual preference. Guess I'm just used to that term.
As for hiding your kids from society, I can tell you how much of a huge disservice that is to the kid. If you haven't lived it, you have no idea what that does when it comes time for that kid to live in the real world and has no concept of the real world.
I don't see homosexuality being shown as the cool or in thing, nor do I see it being flaunted on television & movies. I wonder if those who do see it being portrayed see it as flaunting because they are so sensitive and paranoid about it.
And welcome to the board KIM, whoever that is.
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Douggie....I went to college with gays, I have worked with gays, and I have gay customers (both male and female)... I have no problem with them... even though I an 'straight'!
My problem is with is endless posturing ... we have heard it all by now...what else is there to say besides just a lot of drivel?
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since I've been accused of quoting out of context... here's the whole enchilada (but for the record I personally don't think the true risk of adverse consequences from "quoting out of context" is an issue when the quotes are excerpts from dialog still present in its entirity right here in this thread & most likely read in the last few hours if not minutes... by everyone who then reads my quote... but, I digress..)
you wonder what I'm talking about when I mentioned "over blown characterizations"... I'm referring to your "frivolity" of posting your belief that "More kids than ever before are experimenting in this stuff BECAUSE the gays have Flaunted pushed and shoved it"
quote:Originally posted by Barry Branscum: with evolution comes harmful mutation Doug. In nature, far more harm than good comes from such "deviations". It's no different here. Sure there are good progressive things we have done, but there are also the mutagenic deviations to our "Law and Society" that have been FAR more detrimental than good.
Let me add to the frivolity...
How do Homosexuals reproduce? By impregnating the fragile and formable minds of OUR adolescents and teens. Most folks during those uncertain formative moments of adolescence nad puberty have been full of raging hormones and "wondered" to one degree or another about those "deviations"...the vast majority move on past it...BUT these days, most every movie, tv show, ALL of MTV and so on are flooding these fertile minds of clay with the idea that "gay is IN, HIP and COOL" More kids than ever before are experimenting in this stuff BECAUSE the gays have Flaunted pushed and shoved it.
It's confusion, distraction and misdirection from healthy normal life. It ain't gonna happen for my kids.
"I can already feel my toes starting to smoke..."
you remind me that your were referring to a "sub-culture IN GENERAL.." ahhhhmmm, thats why they call them "generalizations" & the point I intended to make was... this is a discussion Jean is present & has opted to represent the views on ONE gay person.. you respond with "generalized" blowing of the trumpet of rightousness for post after post (BUT NOT SAYING "BLOW the TRUMPET"... that was James OK...) ...so I pointed out that Christian zeal (not that there's anything wrong with that) could also be attacked through the use of "over blown generalizations, characterizations & non-stop parody " ...but nobody is doing that to YOU... so why must you do it to Jean?
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I believe the Bible says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
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Sorry, it just seemed like a good quote for the situation no matter WHERE it came from!
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Time for my 2 cents! This should settle the matter for good The whole gay marriage issue is targeted for more than societal acceptance. Who discriminates against them these days anyway? It is an attempt to put same sex relationships on the same level as heterosexual relationships. Gays can draw up legal contracts and have basically the same legal priveledges as marrieds do, but they will never be as valuable to society as heterosexual marriages.
They may be as emotional or as committed, or more, but society doesn't survive without offspring, that's why all societies have honored heterosexual marriages as special, as a place for children to come into and form family bonds.
Gays can do whatever they want but marriage should be limited to one man and one woman for that reason, it is special, it is valuable and it is necessary for any society.
If gays can marry, there will be and should be no limits on marriage. Anyone can marry anyone because the universal purpose no longer exists. Bisexuals and polygamists can (and will) make the same arguments and that will drive the death nail into an already struggling institution. All to appease a small minority and make them falsely feel that their relationships are equal in the eyes of man.
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Jane makes a good point on judgement...although, ultimately as a society I think it's right for people to call attention to things they view as destructive to the whole....whether it is pro or con a particular issue, judgements do have to be made.
And in the religious context of Jane's post....the writer is talking about hypocritical judgement - which is condemning a person while you're doing the same thing.
There is a distinction here...and plenty of quotable verses which call out for man to excercise judgement in a variety of circumstances.
Here are a few:
JOHN 7:14: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
LUKE 12:57: "Yea, and why not even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"
PSALM 37:30: "The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment."
PROVERBS 31:9: "Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy."
LUKE 17:3: "Take heed... If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him."
So...since religious quotation was brought into this discussion ... it should be clarified and described in a context for which it was intended.
Don - clever.
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Si, my friend, Everywhere I go, one in about ten people I encounter are not heterosexual. Which made me certain that on our board the gay community is also represented.
This proximity to everyone of God's children has also been true for your life, and even if you wanted to you could do nothing about that. It is the composition of society through the ages. Nothing new here.
You tell us twice now we are wasting our time on a subject we have never honestly discussed here in my many years on this board. Before it has always offensively been left to ridicule and we are moving beyond that a bit, which is an evolved thing to do.
Is telling us that you are straight the message you want to send in this interchange?
You have told me specifically to not click on a thread if it does not interest me. We are on page three, you ought to know by now........that it ain't your cup of tea
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I believe the term should remain sexual preference, NOT sexual-orientation. I can choose what my sexual experiences. Your decision was not made for you. There is no solid evidence for a Gay-gene or Beasto-gene or Straight-gene for that matter. Homosexual behavior is a choice, just as much as eating healthy is a choice; not a "true sexual orientation" Another thing about if it is "true" or not: If you base your beliefs on a non-God /coincidental world / evolutional theology, what basis is there for two men to be involved sexually together? From this stand point there is no natural or unnatural reason because reproduction is absent. If you base your beliefs on a God made world, how do you get around what the bible teaches against homosexuallity.
This comment is not aimed at you specifically Jean-Claude, but at the ironic belief the world media supports, sometimes subtly or ignorantly, as a natural phenomena.
God made the rainbow. I like it.
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I like the idea of marriage vows spoken in the house of God & hopefully strengthened in part by the couples beliefs & quite possibly... though not proven with science... through HIS blessings.
I'm no bible expert, so help me out here... does Christianity define marriage? If so... does that definition include state marriage licenses? ...maybe an extension of the seperation of church & state could be to allow couples (all couples)the same state or federally sponsored "definitions", benefits, & liabilities.
I don't know, but I would guess that more people are interested in equality in the tangible realities of today then in the hereafter
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Doug, the old testament says that if a man lays with a man, or a woman with a woman, that it is an abomination, & in the New Testament after Jesus came, it speaks very clearly in the first chapter of the book of Romans that homosexuality is a sin. Some denominations have twisted this, & the bible forbids us to twist scripture. It is plain, in black & white. BUT... It also does NOT tell us to hate these people. It tells us to be IN the world, but not OF the world. It also says says not to even sit & eat with a person who CALLS himself a brother ( a follower of Christ) & does evil things (there are your hypocrites). The bible says that the end for a hypocrite will be worse than for murderers, drunkards, adulterers, etc., which tells me the Lord doesn't like to be misrepresented. (maybe that is why some preachers are exposed, it may be the Lord exposing them) We should not judge the Almighty by His people, or those who call themselves His people. We need to look to Him ourselves. We all make mistakes, too.
As for the homosexual issue, I have read up on an organization called Exodus International that helps people coming out of the gay lifestyle. They believe it is a spiritual issue, & many speak about it. It is very interesting. I do believe in what the bible says about it being a sin, but from my heart, I do not believe it to be any worse than the many sexual sins that I have myself committed before I knew the Lord.
I also have a very dear friend who is homosexual, & I will always love him very much. He has never asked me how I felt, & I will treat him as I do anyone else, & not share until the Lord tells me to.
Hope this helps you to understand it, it wasn't easy for me to decide to post this.
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I think were we've gone with this is based on what you mentioned...."definitions".
As individiuals, we all have our definitions of what is moral or not, natural or not, acceptable or not. As I mentioned earlier, it seems, as a society, that we have been looking for our politicians to govern those aspects. Should they do so, we can all fall in line and be "Politically Correct" or choose to disagree and act upon it to cause change.
IMHO, the best way to approach these kinds of issues is with tolerance, reason and respect for the positions taken. Unfortunately, there are those who feel differently and cross the line, usually getting arrested for their efforts to force change.
We all have a voice. The real trick is to how well we listen to other voices when we disagree.
Meanwhile, backto the topic as it was originally started...
"Are rainbows gay?" The bible tells us that the rainbow was created by God in promise that there would never again be a deluge. Science tells us that it is caused by the refraction of light through water content in the air. Some say that there are pots of gold at the ends of them. In Norse mythology, it was the bridge that leads to Asgard, home of the gods.
It's all a matter of how you WANT to percieve them.
Time to go make signs again. Rapid
(edited for poor spelling)
[ June 29, 2005, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: Ray Rheaume ]
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I agree, Ray, We all have a right to believe in what we want to believe, we just need to try not to get mad at each other for our difference in opinion. We need to treat others like we want to be treated, too.
I am glad our country allows us to believe whatever we want to, & to worship whoever or whatever we want to.
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