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debbie before you spend the money for those magnets...take 2-3 of the ones off your fridge...tape em to your joint areas of pain with a band aid...or tape...see what that will do for ya...i posted this in another post....arthritis, is futher inflammed by ingesting uric acid....which is in all meats...dont eat meat for 15-30 days and see if pain lessens...cant hurt cha..
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Joe, It is muscle pain instead of arthritis. I do not think the ones on the refrigerator are stong enough but I will try them first. Cheaper. But if they do work then my problem is solved. Thanks! ------------------ Debbie Delzell
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Debbie, I did alot of research on magnet therapy awhile ago. I have real bad athritis in my knee that lead to a TKR at age 34 as well as other joints and was recently diagnosed with severe artheritis in my back.
The only positive research info I could find ism from the makers and resellers of these types of maganets. The AMA has stated in several reports that there is No benifit to magnetic therapy.
In MY opinion, if there were any benifit the doctors in this country would use them and charge us and our insurance a fortune,Again, Just my opinion
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Debbie, Five years ago, I had tendonitis in my wrist that was so bad I could not lift my pocketbook. The Motrin wasn't doing a thing so I purchased a magnetic wrist band from a friend and in three days I was better. Did the magnets do the trick? Heck if I know but I was pain free and that's all I cared about. Now I have fibromyalgia and am contemplating the mattress pad with magnets but they cost many hundreds of dollars and I'm just not ready to spend the money. Whatever it is that you want to purchase, try to buy from someone who's fairly reputable, get the best you can afford and give it a try. What the heck, it may work. Good luck to you.
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Troy, Maybe they do work but the Doctors could not make as much money that way. Test and treatments probably cost a lot more then magnets. And everyone would figure out a way if the Doctors say they work. Just my opinion .
Sharon, I know someone who has fibromyalgia and who uses the mattress pad with magnets and yes they cost many hundreds of dollars. But they say it helps them be able to get up and go to work.
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My sister gave me some magnets that cost over a hundred bucks for some pain I've been in. But I like good ol' herb and I can laugh while feeling no pain.
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We're mostly water, and water carries electrical current. The magnets are similar to acupuncture in that they help redirect the current to bust through energy blocks we have.
Studying Ayur Veda, or chinese medicine, you can figure out what's goin on in your body. Each organ has a meridian (path through your body) and when you learn these you can steer it better.
Another thing that helps break up blockages (arthritic conditions, etc.) is one of those lazer lights. There are points on your fingers and toes, that you can hold (for 15-30 seconds each) the light to, it is a very mild form of radiation. More similar to accupressure in result.
Email me if you can't get a diagram showing you these places...I know them by heart, hehehe. It's safe, easy, and seems to work!
I am enjoying the thread, thank you for posting it!
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I saw an AMA study who's intent was to prove that magnets do nothing. They proved the opposite. The story was on either 20/20 or Nightline. Magnets DO increase circulation which helps fight inflamation and helps the body to heal itself. But they do not help everyone. The industry states that they help 80% of the general population but the AMA study found it to be more like 72%.
Refrigerator magnets are useless for pain relief. They are the wrong shape and intensity.
I've talked to 2 people with fibromyalgia that got fantastic symptom relief from magnet mattress pads.
I have had great relief when everything else failed using the big back magnet. Since then, adding trace minerals to my diet and getting rid of my wallet in my back pocket has made my problem back a non issue 95% of the time. I also use a credit card size on my wrist when I get pain from bowling and wear the shoe inserts.
Nikken is the oldest and most reputable company. They have spent millions of $$$ researching magnetic field shape and design to get the best results. Their magnetic field shape is patented. The problem is they are also the most expensive.
Doctors don't want you to use magnets for the same reason they don't want you taking vitamins and minerals. They can't prescribe that stuff and they can't make any money off of it. Our health care system is based on fixing you when you get sick, NOT keeping you healthy.
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Thanks Dave for your response. And your personal knowledge about the magnets. You have helped answer some of my questions.
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I had a mild pain in my neck, and after placing an 8 pound magnet in my hat the pain just increased.
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Hey Debbie, my older brother wears two magnetic bracelets.....he started out with one.....seemed to work really well.......so he went to the second ond...If I recall, he payed something like $100.00 each......and he swears his aches and pains are gone. It may be a mental thing, but, whatever works.......works....now, anyone got a cure for dust allergies......I'll take magnets, penny's in my shoe, anything to stop being stuffed up 24/7's..lol
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Ron, I heard the necklace works to mske the neck feel better and head allergies. I was thinking about it so I can get off the allergy meds and allergy shots. Even at $125 or something like that it would be much cheaper then the Allergy doctor. But right now I have no choice about the meds if I want to breath. Did your brother have carpel tunnel? I wonder if the bracelets would work with the carpel tunnel discomfort? Does anyone know since my mother has it and she does not want the surgery.
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Hi there There are a few book available on magnetic healing. One I have is "Magneto Therapy" by Dr H L Bansal. B. Jain Publishers, New Delhi. There are other Indian Magnetic therapy books available. In general, the North Pole is the one to use locally. Have read where the magnets affect the PH of liquids, including blood Kerry Wright Print Wright Gladstone Australia
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Debbie, my brother uses the bracelets for those everyday aches and pains, not carpel tunnel, give them a try, it can't hurt.....as for allergies......do you wear glasses, if not try wearing sun glasses, and, see your specialist in regards to prescription eye drops, I have had the best results from the eye drops, instead of antihistamines and shots, good luck....Ron
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Hey Debbie, guess I have to many drops in my eyes....just looked at your pic.....those would be glasses......lol
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Thanks for the laugh Ron. Sorry this took so long but I just got back into town. I have worn glasses since I was 9 years old. My nose and lungs bother me more then my eyes. I use prescriotion nose drops which help a lot. But it drys out my eyes so I am trying to cut back. And the shots are helping but I am at the highest level. So I was looking for another way, hopefully without medication.
Kerry, I will look for the book. I want to read it. Thanks.
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Before going thru surgery for carpel tunnel, try a good Chiropractor first. The proper massage and wrist manipulation by a Chiropractor that knows what he's doing can often seriously delay or completely eliminate the need for surgery in many cases.
Think about it. If you have the type of carpel tunnel syndrome where the tunnel has been flattened putting pressure on the nerve bundle, there is a good chance that it can be reshaped. Repetitive motion caused it to flatten, the right manipulation can reverse it.
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Debbie, try the eye drops, takes all that dry stuff away, my doc advised that the nasil spray can do more damage in the long run.....it's for short term relief....also, my doc says if you have'nt seen dramatic relief in 3 months of allergy shots...they are not working......you then need to review your program......whatever that means!. I have a friend that has been on allergy shot's going on 2 years....she still has problems....I believe that there is far to much "'self serving'' advice from the medical dudes.......any homopathic(sp) cures out there?............Ron
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finding a GOOD bone cracker...is almost impossable...and ive know em since the late 50's. my father was one of the 1st disc removal surgery in 1945.....and they didnt do fusion then so his vertabra sat on each other. most of the time he was ok...but would roll over in bed and do it the wrong way and the bones would get mis aligned...we had to carry him to the car, and drive 18 miles to this chiropractor..who would lay him on the table ,do the snap crack & pop..my dad would walk out and be fine for 4-5 mos or till he rolled the wrong way. as for me..i screwed my back up at 23...and its never been right...i used to go the same chiropartor my dad did...and he helped...but i moved to fla and all of them here are the same...there like evangilists....only do enough to make you come back and pay again & again. ive been to enough that i can do most of what they do..with wifes help....or sit in a chair, relax, and rotate my body and all the bones re-align...as for the strength of the magnets you buy for pain...the refridge magnet has more....try to get those braclets to stick to the refridge...you want good strong magnets...get an old car starter motor...and take the "field magnets" outa the case......and they are shaped to fit you arm or leg...but they are heavy....sorta like those strap on weights you can buy.
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Dave and Joe, I will tell my Mom about the Chiropractor. I was always afraid of them so never used one. I had the hand surgery instead. But after going for a free massage and he cracked my neck and shoulders I kind of believe in it now. My neck was fine until the car accident in June. I had it cracked again. But this time it did not work as good. But I think it may be too soon. I remember playing with the kind of magnets you are talking about as a kid. My brothers took things apart to see what was inside. The magnets I am looking into are very strong. I also have a strong magnet for my kitchen cabinet locks to keep little ones out. But it feels different then the ones for the body.
Ron, The allergy shots helped very much. I can breath much better. I think it is because of the shots and medication. My cousin has had shots weekly for over 20 years. Mold, dust, trees, grass ragweed. She says they have been a lifesaver. She is a music teacher so she must be able to breath But I want to get off any drugs if I can.
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for relief in breathing..try FISHERMANS FRIEND lozengers...they will make you breath thru your eyeballs.....pure mentol...if you can find a CHI GONG class near you take it..good for breathing....accupuncture...is also some thing to look into.....
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joe, the idea behind the magnet therapy is not to just have a big strong honkin' magnet near you. The idea is to have the magnetic field help align molecules for better circulation. I don't know anything about the bracelets, but the flat magnets for therapy will stick to a refrigerator just fine. chances are the bracelet is too heavy for the amount of magnetic contact. There is a device that when put over a magnet, the screen lights up where the magnetic "bar" is. Frig magnets have at least a 1/4 inch space between the magnetized areas. Nikkens magnets form very small triangles. Like I said earlier, the shape is important.
I found a great Chiropractor. Trouble is he died early June. I was his last patient. He went jogging with his wife when he finished with me and had a heart attack at 53.
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Debbie, I feel for you and the rest of us who have chronic pain. I've watched my mother go from a vibrant 70 year old to a prescription drug addict because of pain. I made her try every homeopathic herb and bottle of snake oil on the market but she'd take it for a couple of days and then fake a fall to get to the ER for the real drugs. What a hell of a mess. Hang is there and keep trying different things. Sooner or later you'll find something that gives you some relief. For any of you who are experiencing more than normal tiredness, I'd like to tell you about a product that just came out and it's in with the milk and OJ at the grocery store. It's called NUVIM and although it doesn't exactly have the enjoyment of a nice, cold Black and Tan, it sure as hell has helped my chronic fatigue. In fact, I couldn't take an afternoon nap anymore if I tried. This stuff takes about a month or so to work but the important thing is, it worked for me. Give it a try and no, I don't own stock in the company:-) Good luck and God bless.
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Sharon, I have never heard of it but I will see if the store has it here. And check out what is in it. Thanks.
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HAHAHHA i just got a vision of old paint sittin in a chair with 2 or 3 20lb speaker magnets strapped to his ass sayin this don't work....
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Kerry, I could not find the exact book you mentioned but I did find some. This will be a big help, Thanks!
Some I found:
Author: Whitaker, Julian M. Title: The pain relief breakthrough : the power of magnets to relieve backaches, arthritis, menstrual cramps, carpal tunnel syndrome, sports injuries, and more / 1999
Author: Owen, Lara. Title: Pain-free with magnet therapy : discover how magnets can help relieve arthritis, sports injuries, fibromyalgia, and chronic pain / 2000
Author: Lawrence, Ronald Melvin, 1926- Title: Magnet therapy : the pain cure alternative / 1998
Author: Rose, Peter, author. Title: Magnet therapy illustrated : natural healing and pain relief using magnets / 2001
Author: Kahn, Sherry Title: Healing magnets : a guide for pain relief, speeding recovery, and restoring balancing / 2000
Author: Philpott, William H., 1919- Title: Magnet therapy : an alternative medicine definitive guide / 2000
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you should definitly check out acupuncture as a possible solution to the allergy problems, and also for the pain problems. My first go at acupuncture was for allergies. Man, I hadn't 'breathed'in about 3 months. After about 15 or 20 minutes with all those little strategically placed needles, my nose & sinus' opened right up. It was amazing. My acpuncturist then gave me a tincture to use on a daily basis thru the allergy season. I put about 3 drops of this stuff in a cup of warm water & drank this 'tea' a couple of times a day. It worked great! I didn't have to rely on the allery drugs and be a zombie all day every day. I also used acpuncture for a sciatic nerve problem and for what I call 'paint can wrist'. Worked great in 2 sessions for those problems also. Check it out...it might just work wonders for you too
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Karen, Does acupuncture cost a lot? And it does not hurt? Do you know what was in the 'tea'? I am allergic to so many things I have to careful.
We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey." -Stephen Covey
Have you read "The Eagle and the Rose" by Rosemary Altea?
Steve, Thanks for mentioning the note pad as I have got kicked off twice now before I could post it. This is much easier!
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Debbie, been reading all the posts and I have something to add. As for your allergies check out www.naet.com as I have seen results with this form of treatment in myself.
Concerning your arthritis like problem, check out www.hacres.com as you will find hundreds of testimonies from people with all sorts of problems. Best of all, this treatment is absolutely free.
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Curt, I find the allergy site interesting. I will have to read more of it as soon as I get enough time. I was surprised to see two doctors in my area.
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