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It seems every post I read people are getting snippy and some have even gone as far as to mention this.
Any notice of this? Or are people reading people wrong? Hopefully there isn't a click going on. I can't stand clicks. Honestly, I can't really say - haven't had enough time to be really notice. Just asking.
Debate is healthy, attack is deadly. Come from love.
------------------ Summit Signs Sellersville, PA summitsigns@erols.com
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I believe there is a certain amount of clicks and clans here and in just about everywhere you look. When it comes to reading a post I find that persons read over important stuff to find a glitch so they can hammer you to the stake.
Just yesterday I posted to a subject in regards to price differences from one state to another and was told that my post seemed sarcastic when I was just comparing. No reason to get upset over a remark from someone I don't even know.
I've been on this BB since around febuary 96 and have toned down quite a bit but only because things change and hate having battles when I cannot be there in person to enjoy it.
Good post!
------------------ HotLines Joey Madden,47 years in the Classic Art of Pinstriping Grants Pass, Oregon Learn something...... http://members.tripod.com/Inflite
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Interesting topic. This website has only been around 6 years, but The Letterhead Movement has been going on for more than 25 years. We have been going to meets since 1983.
We have met a pile of people over the years. Some relationships are magic. You just hit it off for some reason. There are other times when, for any number of reasons, meeting some people awkward.
I think about this click thing a lot these days. There have been many times in my life when I have felt left out. The last kid picked for anything. As a result, I always felt insecure around other people. To be honest, I am still haunted by feelings of "I don't belong," or "these guys don't want me tagging along."
This last weekend, Barb and I attended the Walldog Meet in Cornwall. There were people there that I have seen and idolized since 1983, yet never really met or talked to. I made a real effort to get over my insecurities and approach some of these people.
I'm convinced that it is not that we put ourselves down, as much as we tend to put people up. We seem to be drawn to others that are in our own comfort zone. Am I making any sense?
I know what it is like to see a group head out for supper and not be invited along. Sometimes I wonder if I have done the same to others and not been aware of it.
I hope there is no snobbery here in Letterville. My worse fear is that someone reading this is feeling too insecure to post or express their feelings. Those of us who have been around for a long time need to be aware that new people are watching you. Someone out there wants you shake their hand and say their name. Think about this when you post and do all you can to make everyone feel welcome.
In the meantime, insecure people like myself, need to get in front of a mirror and chant...I'm good enough...I'm smart enough...and by gosh...people like me.
Welcome to Letterville Diane & David. I'm the nut that runs the place.
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Steve, And Others, I think the "Supper" thing has been done to everyone, and probably everyone has done it to some extent to someone else at one time or another.
I don't been being "snobish", or spiteful oreven mean, it just happens. MAybe we are at a meet somewhere and a bunch decide to go to a meal, someone is talking to someone in the corner, and the "Invite" just doesn't make it to inturupt. Then low and behold the group heads out and is seen by the "Corner" people and they get their feelings hurt.
It wasn't intentional, It just happened.
Penny and I have the problem where I can talk to anyone, she has a difficult time approaching people. Sometimes she has been labled a "Snob", this is not the case at all, she just has a hard time talking to new people.
This internet is an amazing thing, for the most part you can say what you want and not have to "Pay" for it right then. Some people abuse this. Some people, myself included have a tendancy to hit the "submit" button way too soon, without thinking!!!!
Just remember the Golden rule as best you can, and be ready to apoligize when you forget!!!!
Hope everyone has a great day!!!!!!
------------------ Troy Haas "Metal_Leg" on mIRC
SAM Signs & RPM Auto Graphix 931 W. Columbia street Evansville,Indiana 47710 812-437-5367 Home of the: "Brush Fire at the Hose House" Letterhead Meet April 27-29th,2001
"Chaos, panic, disorder - my work here is done."
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Steve what a nice message you wrote! I can relate! I think alot of 'artists' are introverts. And also very sensitive! I have felt the cliques here....but refuse to be bullied. Those who think they are above others usually float back to earth eventually. I think everyone on here is a good person. Diane and David....I HAVE met Steve and Barb. And a nicer couple you will never meet. Very down to earth people. They put their heart and soul into this website without a doubt.
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I agree with what Joey had to say as well as the others.
For myself, I'm not a very good "writer." I have no idea of how to be eloquint as some others are. Frankly, I'm a bit dry and very blunt. Its not that I mean anything by it. Its just who I am.
That said, I think the emotions behind the words or facial expressions are often lacking. This can create some unexpected responses to one's post.
I just hope that when we read, we give the writer the benefit of a doubt as to his intent and that we don't become so thin-skinned.
And if someone does get "snippy", just put your arms around him, tell'm you love'm.....then smack'm up the side of their head with a 2by4 and knock some ever-lovin' sense into him. Hehehehe
I've met Steve and Barb too and they are one of the most awesome couples I've ever met! They've accomplished so much and are much more talented than they let on.
I agree, we need to remember that children see this and people who we have suggested to check this whole letterheads concept out, see this.
Think of all the folks who have come here to find the mud slinging and just walked away, "...they've got to be kidding!"
Professional does not mean you can't post your feelings, or opinions, but some respect for others in the room is needed. Realizing there are thousands of people in here everyday should hit home at some point. This whole "crazy" thing seems to cycle around, over and over. So many misunderstandings because we cannot face the people we are responding to. The slightest typo could confuse some, and then there's the posts that are ...well, you know...just venting and seem to have a tunnel vision.
Email is perty kewl for personal issues between heads. I like the idea of this site sticking around. It would be kewl if we didn't scare people off...new or otherwise.
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I agree with Glenn. I not always so smooth with my verbage on this BB. I have only been around for a couple of weeks and love talking back and forth. You all seem like a great bunch of people. Maybe sometimes we tend to say things on here we would not say in preson. If I have offended anyone with any of my posts or words than I'm here to publicly apologize. You are right, children may see these posts. Lets all have a group hug.
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It is hard to communicate the subtleties that we do when we talk directly. I don't know any way around that. I would never say anything here I wouldn't say to your face because I don't believe I am confrontational. Just want to state my case or opinion, only I do a lot more on sign topics than OT. I was thinking about OT posts and have come to the conclusion that many that post a topic or idea are paying all a compliment. The people here mean something to them and they want to share, debate or hash it out. Indifference to others would be the real slap in the face.
------------------ Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Since 1978 www.wrightsigns.bigstep.com All change isn't progress, and all progress isn't forward.
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i can't believe it but i have to agree with glenn on this one.
i don't always come across as the nice guy that i really am.
the years i have been on this bullboard, i have come across at times as an arrogant, hot tempered redneck. (i will have you know i am not arrogant! LOL)
a few years back i had a little disagreement with George Perkins and Terry Teague. they both came to my december in dixie meet 1999. i found both to be two of the greatest guys you would ever want to meet. i consider them both great friends now and we all have a good laugh about "back when".
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Heheheheheheeee...it's a shame that everyone can't be as sweet, charming, kind and lovable as me! Actually I am as subtle as a 16 pound sledge hammer...but I still like ya! I agree that the written word can be and usually is misinterperted quite often (maybe that's why I failed English Composition in school) Maybe if I took a course in Pribishese or Tbukism, I might be a better writer!
------------------ Si Allen #562 La Mirada, CA. USA (714) 521-4810 ICQ # 330407 "SignPainters do It with Longer Strokes!"
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Hmmmmmmmmmm...........tone of posts.................Sounds like b# or A flat to me.
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
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hehehehehehe...glenn, 1st meet i go to and your there.....bring out that 2x4.....guess where iam gona put it!.hehehehehehehehe....and being who i am...ive never felt slighted by any of the people ive met at the meets...as far as bein invited "to go with", iam a vegitairan, non-smoker, non-drinker, al-key-haul or sodas...and iam always asked to go along(probalby my size and nasty disposition that i envoke fear of retribution into others)hahahahahahahahahahah....mark...who told you were a nice redneck?..heheheheheh as for cliques..the only one i know of here is the PRE-VERT bunch: memebers consist of, steve short-one, dave grugy, si the camel lover, joe(you wana lollie pop little girl) pribish, del the squaw keeper, joey the pervert hippy,zee the celibit.....no other cliques i know of.... ------------------ joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-944-5060 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND
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hey paint, i am a nice redneck! after all, did'nt i let you "graze" on kudzu outback of my shop back in 1999 while everyone else was enjoying the large bar-b-que platter?
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My best friend Rick Jones, was Johnny Russel's drummer a few years back. Johnny Russell wrote, among other hits, Rednecks, White socks, and blue ribbon beer. The national anthem of the rednecks. Yehaaaaa! Mark buddy, we're cousins by blood. Blood of the rednecks. heehee.
------------------ John Deaton III Deaton Design 109 N. Cumberland Ave.,Harlan, Ky. 40831 606-573-9101
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I'm glad there was a response. I was really nervous to post this topic.
Steve - I've been learning stuff on here for years. WE LOOOOOOOOOOVVVVEEEEE this site; and truly appreciate all you ALL do!!! We never thought any differently. I know how much you (all) have done. Not just on the site - the meets, the mag, etc... I'm sure there's more. Even with your health and all. It's such an inspiration. If it wasn't for this site, we wouldn't be here. We have the shirts and stuff. We try to support any way we can. I'd really like to be more involved one day when we get more organized.
You hit the nail on the head with insecurity. I have my paranoia by my side all the time. It's a real pain in the butt (guess it's on the backside - ha ha). That's what inspired this post. Glad I could be honest. I'm learning to squash it. It's taken years. My sister-in-law is really shy and she has the same problem with people thinking she's a snob. Everyone has their bag(s).
I really liked Linda's words of wisdom about breath - you have a choice. That's kind of true for reactions. You can't always choose what happens but you can control how to react. Easier said than done for me.
I'm trying to learn to come from the other person's side and situation. Everyone is so quick to judge - wheather it's the guy who cut you off (maybe he's really late for an interview or the waitress - hey maybe the cook is really slow). It helps to see the world differently and hopefully avoid an ulcer. Just the other day this guy was laying on the horn at someone who was just waiting to turn. He wasn't over far enough so the beeper could get around. I thought the guy was going to shoot him - he cussed and gave the finger 10 times.
Sorry to make anyone nauseous. Enough of the drama. Dave goes to a VW site and it's bruital - no holds bar. Doesn't even compare to this site.
Glad everyone was so enthusiastic.
d&d
------------------ Summit Signs Sellersville, PA summitsigns@erols.com
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Here's my thoughts. Be who you are and there is absolutely no reason to change your ways just to suit a motley crowd of wigzoids. The mayor has put up with all of our crap so far and I don't think he's about to change now. Some things I read, I just cringe at and I know that some of my dribble may not set well with some either. Personally, I feel this board here is a bit of a microcosim of a larger base who are reading but not posting. To those I say,... "Are your fingers broken?" Speak up! You might even want to dive into your check book and get off a 1/2 A' Rock.($50) If more people respond (at least) to some of the posts or take a chance and make that virgin post, it could even be more interesting. We wouldn't have to be seeing just us over and over. Get with it, dont be a chickens**t and be yourself. Thas'my 2 bits...........CrazyJack
------------------ Jack Wills Studio Design Works 6255 Brookside Circle Rocklin, CA 95677 writer@quiknet.com
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Well....I have been hanging around this place for a couple of years now. I have seen the good side of people posting here, and I have seen the bad....some more consistant than others.
I read the post...sometimes I jump right on in...sometimes I just sit back and smile... When I do stick my nose in... I say what I want to say...if someone doesn't like it...oh-well. However...I have learned my lesson on getting into Religious posts....that is a dead-end street...and I WON'T be going down it anymore...
Politics.....I have absolutely NOTHING to say on that subject!!!
I have been fortunate enough to meet some very cool folks here...like Cisco and Cheryl and Chris Bryant...please believe me...my life has been enriched...
So...if ya don't like my comments....that's OK...I Love ya anyway!!!!
Steve and Bard...ya done good nursemaiding our ego's....thanks!
------------------ Jackson Smart Jackson's Signs Port Angeles, WA ...."The Straits of Juan De Fuca in my front yard and Olympic National Park in my backyard...
"Living on Earth is expensive...but it does include a free trip around the Sun"
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Welcome to the board Diane & David. Question for ya...How long did ya sit back and read posts on the BB before you began to respond? I ask while thinking about myself as an introvert. I read here for over a yr before I said anything. (Thanks to Terry Teague for the 'sound off' post in which I introduced myself.) I am a peacemaker at heart and got into a few controversial posts early on in that role. It didn't work so I just started avoiding any response to touchy subject matter. The point i want to make is that tho I am a shy, insecure, introverted type in new situations ( no, really, I am. No kiddin, really I am) Steve & Barb have provided, in this place, a way for me to establish some relationships and know some folks, at least a little, so that I will not be in a "new situation" when I can finally get away from the shop and get to a meet again. And I hope that the meet experience will reinforce what I have here on the BB. Good post ya got here. IOAFS
------------------ Bill Dirkes Bethel Hill Signs Butler, Ky. Goodnight Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.
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I have to confess...i use that line for my signature...to remind me to take a deep breath before i jump in with an emotional "reaction" in lieu of an appropriate "response."
If other folks can read it and check themselves as well, to avoid a mudslide, then I say kewl!
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I started our shop back in 1996. Got involved back then. I've been posting along the way; just haven't much in the last year or so because we're swamped.
Nette gave me and "Lone Wolfe" some great advice when we started. She really helped me with just one e-mail.
Hey - I think it's cool when people have debate and that's exactly what it is - nothing personal. I've just read some comments that I was concerned about. I think everyone here is for learning, inspiration, to compare notes and fun, etc..... I said it before I'm amazed that such a thing even exists. I've paid my $50 and I'd pay it over and over again for all I've learned. BTW, I think we should up the price. If you have 50 bucks you got a hundred!! Guess I should mail in a check now - huh? I will on my next renewal!! This place is worth gold to us!!!
I don't get to do as much as I'd like because it's just been me here in the shop and my husband is fighting premature rheumatoid arthritis & psoriasis. He just started here last month and that's because of these new treatments he's trying. They wipe him out. He has about 10 maybe 15 hours a week. We've just switched from medical to holistic. The medical docs said there's no cure for arthritis and we should try Remicade - $1000! every 4 weeks NOT covered under insurance - ha ha!! With holistic treatment - accupuncture, diet, homeopathic meds, & JMT, it's AMAZING in just 3 months his psoriasis is almost all gone! If anyone is interested just e me. We know aaaaaaalllllll about it. This new thing JMT is working. The doc has cured people that had to leave their jobs. It has to do with realiginging your whole energy system a.k.a organs, immune system (a biggie) and all that stuff. Makes sense & it's working. Beer is out though - totally SUCKS!!!!
Thanks to all of you for all of your INSPIRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have to meet you.
Di
------------------ Summit Signs Sellersville, PA summitsigns@erols.com
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I have met a lot of these people in person by attending different meets. So far I have not met one person from this board that I did not like.
There is the occaisional argument on here, but I also argue with my wife sometimes, and still love her more than life itself, and intend to forever more.
I think part of it is... The people who HAVE MET in person have a tendency to say things that they WOULD say to each others face(when they could see the grin). I think there have been many times that people turned on someone when the "attackee" was not offended to begin with because they undertoodthe spirit in which it was intended.
------------------ Don Hulsey Strokes by DON signs Utica, KY 270-275-9552 sbdsigns@aol.com
I've always been crazy... but it's kept me from going insane.
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As most of you know, I am an old timer both in Letterheads and the industry as well, 46 years this week. Most of you here are new comers to the Letterhead Movement overall as well as the business. There are many exceptions of course but this open revolution in the exchange of ideas is relatively new. Discerning expression in the written word is difficult at best. I am rarely offended by posts as I assume some of what I read to be in jest. The rest is taken at face value. The only offense I take is to the direct e-mails objecting to my "arrogant" attitude concerning factual presentation. Also concerning my not posting often enough. I am not offended by eihter. My time on this earth is too precious to be concerned about such triviality. My philosophy is to enjoy the BB for what it is, jump in when the issue is interesting and enjoy our wonderful kookie trade.
------------------ Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio Greeley, Colorado, USA kent@smithsignstudio.com
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WOW...Steve, you nailed it right on the head!! I struggle every day with low self esteam and insecurities that are very disabling for me emotionally. I have learned to love this family of talented and diverse people who have been my inspiration and teachers. And I wouldn't want this site to be without a single one of ya! I was always the last one picked for groups and the pain of that is very real. I try to remember how I felt when I was ignored and try to include those that are shy or new to the group. I have notice cliques at the meets, but I suppose that's to be expected...some of these people have a lot of history with each other, and I suppose I might be tempted to be the same way when I get famous someday, LOL I want so badly to be accepted by this group that I often find myself so nervous I can't be myself.
As I have traveled, Letterheads have opened thier homes to me and made me feel welcome. At times I fight the anxiety and fear of traveling on my own and not knowing for sure where I will sleep tomorrow night or what the venture will hold for me. Somedays I think I'm just NUTS and have made a BIG mistake bumming around like I am. I worry that I am imposing, and being an annoyance. And if I have, I apologize and will mail you a jar of jam when i get home!! I can't explain why I feel so compelled to travel around like this, I could be home making money, instead i'm wandering around the country putting myself at risk and going into debt, but the experiences of meeting some of you will stay with me a lifetime, and the things I will learn will be invaluable to me. So..ahem..if any of you are along my route (East Coastish) and you have some wall space that needs a mural, let me know...all I ask for is a place to crash and a chance to get to know you better.
Adrienne
------------------ Adrienne Morgan Splash Signs www.splashsigns.com "Rainkatt'on chat
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I think this is the coolest site going for anyone in this business! I think the word clique is TOTALLY the wrong word. I think it's people have more in common and naturally, well, have more in common.
We love to do outdoor things and therefore we have outdoor frineds. Give me a good campfire over a Longenberger basket party any day. (no offense to Longenberger)
I also am just into this "try to understand where the other guy is coming from" stage so I don't hate everyone. Customers are STILL my biggest challenge. I've been told your customers aren't your friends. This week more than proved that.
It's so awsome to know we aren't alone in our weirdness. I hate when I take things personal. They say you're in control of the way you act and react. (How embarrassing.) When you really talk to anyone we're all the same, just in different ways. Huh? Well, you know what I mean. I get real passionate about issues because I think everyone is just doing the best they can with what they have. I have run into so much backstabbing in this small town I live in and it drives me crazy.
I like what Kent wrote as well. Good stuff all.
------------------ Summit Signs Sellersville, PA summitsigns@erols.com