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While waiting for Pierre's reply to my earlier question on pelucid, I emailed the question to Por15, the manufacturer. Their answer was swift and clear.
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Subject: Re: Pelucid Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:52:32 -0500 From: mike albrecht <porinfo@crocker.com> To: Mike <moneill@crrstv.net>
At 07:27 PM 2/27/01 -0400, you wrote: >Does pelucid contain any U.V. inhibitors? >Looking to use it as an overcoat for some digital prints I need to >protect from the elements. >Any information would be greatly appreciated > > >Regards, > >Mike O'Neill
ANSWER: Pelucid is not a UV protectant, the prints may fade if they are exposed to sunlight. The Pelucid is primarily used on wood or fiberglass. Any further questions call 1-800-457-6715 or email www.por15.com
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-- After reading through past posts on this board regarding pelucid I saw that Pierre has been touting it as a U/V inhibitor. Whether he was misinformed or uninformed, the product has been misrepresented and a disservice has been rendered to some people using this board, particularly, anyone who has bought & used pelucid, expecting it to provide U/V protection. --
Thanks for the update and info on Pelucid, You did the right thing and did your own research, Many times we trudge forward without looking and then blame others for our misfortune.
Like any product that we use we must research the abilities and disabilities before using them on products in which they were NOT intended
I'm sure Pierre was sincere in his offering of information on Pelucid. If it was not for the sharing of information on this board I wouldn't even know of the stuff.
Therefore I see no disservice rendered to anyone on this board. If you buy a product blindly on recomndation alone and do no research yourself then you are to blame for any pitfalls.
Any problems you may have with any one person 's information, in my opinion should be directed to that one person privately not publicly
I thank you & Pierre for the info on Pelucid. I have not tried it yet but I am going to do some testing in the near future.
------------------ Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA bob@creativesignworks.com
"Some people's kids"
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Pelucid DOES have UV inhibitors. The clarification given to me is that the inhibitors are for the Pelucid. The UV inhibitors prevent the product from yellowing from susceptibility to the sun. The inhibitors are for the product, NOT the substrata. I'll have Mike post a clarification. Do you really think I'd intentionally mislead you?
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
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Here's the bottom line from Chris, who is the POR15 Division manager.
"Pelucid contains UV inhibitors designed to keep Pelucid from yellowing or changing color from UV sources. POR15 offers Pelucid on this basis with a guaranteed money back policy."
A further note: For clearcoating polished metals such as brass, aluminum, steel and others, a replacement product is now available. "Glisten PC" is a specific, similar to Pelucid, for permanent clearcoating of metals.
Strangely enough, those shops who have tried Pelucid have been reordering. Do we make a bunch of money on it? No, we don't. Do the math. If it sells for $38 to $42 average and we sell it to sign shops for $30, it doesn't take rocket science to see it's more of a service than anything else. So, did we try to deceive you Mr. Translab? It would appear that you don't trust us, so maybe you'd be happier buying something else, or buy it from someBODY else. Either email or call me if you'd like to discuss this. Thank you. ------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
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Just got an email from Tony McDonald from the Charles E. Brown Beverage Company. He sent me a group of digital prints to coat with Pelucid some time back. I thought I had posted the test results, but I kept two and sent the rest back to Tony. Both of us put them outdoors in the elements. Though they stayed completely protected and clear, his did fade having used the digital inks in his printer. Ours lasted clean and bright intil about two weeks ago, but then we have FAR less sunlight up here. Projects of ours, outdoors, that are nearing the 5 year mark now are still as clear and bright as the day we did them. Colors involved are dark reds, blues, yellows, all quality 15 to 20 year paints coated and sealed with Pelucid.
The bottom line is that this stuff is a crystal clear overcoat/sealer that will leave the projct virtually maintenance free. It has no peers at this point in time. Ask Jerry Mathel what he thinks.
I would also like any of you shops using it right now to post any and all negatives you've found using Pelucid.
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
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I ONCE TRIED MIXING PELUCID WITH COCA COLA....I WAS VERY DISSATISFIED WITH THE BODY AND FLAVOR IT GAVE THAT OTHERWISE REFRESHING BEVERAGE. PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF THIS INCOMPATABILITY IN FUTURE REFERENCE MATERIALS.
OH, AND IT SUCKS AS A TACO SAUCE, TOO.
YOUR FRIEND, B
------------------ Master's Touch Signs & Screenprinting Clinton AR 5017456246 ICQ 17430008 "Imagine the Possibilities..."
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There's an easy way to find out first hand. Do a print with indoor ink and coat out half of it with Pelucid. Put it in front of a sunlamp for 24 hours a day. My guess is, in three days, the unprotected side will look pitiful, and the protected side will look ok.
I am trying to do an outdoor test like this, but the winter sun coupled with lots of liquid sun are making for slow going.
I can tell you for certain that Pelucid is a good protector against water, and the exposed indoor ink looks waterlogged. The Pelucid looks fine after eight weeks, but then again, it has not been a good sun test.
It does not take a lot to stop uv. I would think that any clearcoat will give some protection. Vic G
------------------ Victor Georgiou Bob Loves Signs Inc Danville, CA email blssign@pacbell.net
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Do ya think that automotive clears have a UV inhibitor in them? Most do not but yet persons still use them for both custom vehicles and everyday vehicles and they last for years too come..
If ya'll wanted everything to be so perfect you would first learn to use even the simplest tools of your craft.....
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I haven't been using pelucid for any great length of time, but it has worked exceptionally well on the projects where I have used it. Digital printing is not one of my areas of expertise and I have been using it for other purposes. All I can say is that it is one tough topcoat. I recently made some aluminum signs with vinyl lettering for the school district and try as they may, the kids have not been able to peel off any of the vinyl. For what I have used it for so far, the stuff has worked as well or better than any of the two-part automotive clears that I had been using, and with a whole lot less hassle.
I just made a couple of inkjet prints and a couple more with a wax ribbon thermal printer coated with Pelucid and 1-Shot UV inhibitor clear, and put them up on the roof facing south. Time will tell.
One thing I would really like to see is having the stuff packaged in aerosol cans. That would be a really handy application process.
My opinion (for what it's worth) is that Pelucid is an extemely useful product for the sign industry and I thank Pierre for bringing it to our attention, and making it available to us at a discount price.
------------------ Jerry Mathel Jerry Mathel Signs Grants Pass, Oregon signs@grantspass.com
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Yea Pierre, I have to agree with Tasmus,the stuff just tastes funny. Was ok on pancakes but that's it. Nothing in the product sheet about it either.
------------------ Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Since 1978 http://www.wrightsigns.bigstep.com
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Wow, I know its not "full moon" What is goin on, all this negative imbalance, Someones gonna lean to that side too far and fall over !!
Must be all this hype about the econemy, recesion crap, kinda gets under peoples skin. Come on, smile, look at what ya got to be happy about, turn on some blues pour a tall one sit back and "ease on down da road". The moon will be full soon enough !! Roger
------------------ Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated Waikoloa, Hawaii
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Well........I've gotten used to it. Seasoned with Salsa it's GREAT! Coat your teeth once and never brush again! (never do ANYthing again)
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
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Let's face it...everything fades including $50,000.00 vehicles. They will fade a little quicker in Arizona than in Northern Ontario or Labrador. I have used Pelucid last summer and plan to use it again. Two 8x12 billboards were put up in August of last year on which I used Pelucid to cover everything including thermal prints. I am keeping an eye on them and will visit whenever the snow goes and will let all of you know I'm sure. I figure that if the products adds some years to the signs for a minimal fee the customer benefits and so does the sign company. Added value important to customers if it works! And I trust that it does.
------------------ Mario G. Lafreniere aka Fergie.
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Tell ya what, Davey. They seem to be listening more and more to what I have to say, so I'm gonna toss that one in the ring. The only thing I can see "could" be a problem is keeping the nozzle clear. Man, when that schtuff sets up, it SETS UP!
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
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Pierre, Maybe you could get them to pack about 6 nozzels with a can, as they can't cost much. Some spray glues do this. I would say that many products have made great expansions after going to spraycan. It opens up a whole new audience. I haven't tried your product yet, but have full intentions soon.
------------------ Jack Davis 1410 Main St Joplin, MO 64801
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As Pierre mentionned it gets sticky real quick. To spray an 8x12 I had to clean the nozzle once. My humble opinion is that it probably would be impossible to put in a spray can. The nozzle is one thing but the ouput tube is another!
------------------ Mario G. Lafreniere aka Fergie.
jnsigns@onlink.net Chapleau, Ontario home of "The World's Largest Game Preserve" Spring is upon us,in Shania Country. Farewell Mosquito here comes the Snow! "Go figure" got me 30 cords of wood and haven't seen a snow flake yet!
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
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