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Another post here made me wonder ..."What can we look for in the future from One Shot Lettering enamels"?...I can't stand the waterborne stuff and want some kind of reassurance I'm gonna have a some kind of decent product to use.Actually I've been concerned ever since a product as good as Chromatic (my favorite) went south.
So how about it One Shot...you're a advertiser here...give us the skinny on whats in the future for us. Are we gonna have to go back to mixing oil varnish and driers to get what we want and need? Actually that doesn't sound too bad!
Or perhaps buy a life time supply of red, black and white One Shot just to get by.
Got some answers?
------------------ Monte Jumper SIGNLanguage/Norman.Okla.
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I, too, have major concerns about this - I recently went to work for a large corporation that has their own sign shop. They do have One Shot there, but most of the time make us use water base house paint!!! It SUCKS out loud! Some of the colors take 9 or 10 coats to cover. One of the guys has been trying to use Deka to no avail.
Here's what they actualy told me Friday - "One Shot is loaded with lead so it's unsafe to use anymore. Also since One Shot doesn't have lead in it anymore (!) it doesn't cover very well, anyway, and you have to two-coat everything. So we might as well use the water-base stuff."
They're ordering a ton of Deka. I'm working in LennyLand.
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a couple of years back there was a scare in the custom painting end of things, because they stopped making Lacquers so people either swithed to the newer eurathane products (which are luckily very nice) or stock up on the lacquers. I switched and a friend who is an old-timer, stuck in his ways did not, now he is in trouble, and so is the paint supplier when he calls, they have to scour the country looking for paint... what happens when someone wants to paint a funny car bright pink? big trouble for him no problem for me.... so I guess I will stick with the one-shot until "you just caint git it no mo"
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I honestly hate to burst your bubble Ken but whoever they is? They did not stop making lacquers! As far as regular body shops are concerned you may not be able to spray lacquer do to epa regulations. However, there are restoration shops who use lacquer on a daily basis as well as piano and fine furniture manufacturers. You do not have to scour the countryside looking for lacquer and if you pick up a Hemmings motornews, you can see that.......
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Interesting remarks guys but I still want to hear the "facts" straight from the manufacturers mouth and not dwell on rumors.
I think this is a very important issue and I hope we get the answers here in a few days...
So I'll be bumping this one up for a while.
Interesting isn't it...the government is saving all those children from lead poisoning due to sucking on our signs.You know when you think about it for a minute...I 've been at this for 35 years now and (trust me)I've known a lot of painters and sign painters, some have died and some are dying but none of them ever had LEAD POISONING or suffered any side affects from it. Follow the money folks!
------------------ Monte Jumper SIGNLanguage/Norman.Okla.
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well your wifes will be in real trouble if they quit makin laqure paint.....what do you think nail polish is?i got a question...for the chemists out there....why cant we get lead powder to add to our paint? i used to live near a molulubunum factory...and they getthat stuff in little barrels...and it was pawder form...we use to mix it with chain saw bar oil..shoulda tryed mixin it in my paint...
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I use DEKA paints and I've had no problems. I use water based brushes from Mack that work just like a Quill with oil paint. I still use one shot as well. I like the latex as it dries fast and is more porous. When blending pictorials it gets a little tough because of the drying being so fast, n then I and "Floetrol" and it works fine.
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To everyone out there, One Shot is here to stay! We will continue to make the best product possible and where that requires lead-based pigments (Reds, Yellows, Orange, Greens), we will still use them in the Lettering Enamels and Chromatic Bulletin Colors. And people still please remember, not all of our Lettering Enamels contain lead. Out of 44 Lettering Enamels, only 13 have lead pigments. The lead driers once use have been replaced by a better type of drier in all our products. Also, please be aware, Chromatic is still around; it is now being manufactured by One Shot using the same formulations used by Akzo-Nobel. The Chromatic Lettering Enamel products are no longer made, but practically nobody was buying the stuff anyways. BUt as far as the Chromatic Bulletin Colors, Industrial Enamels, Primers, Reducers, Flow Enhancers; One Shot is still making a ton of this stuff. Kevin
------------------ Kevin Ledbetter One Shot LLC kledbett@netnitco.net http://www.1shot.com
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Kevin, what is it with the Reflex Blue that makes it take three days to dry? New can, yellow label, well stirred. Tried another new can with same results. All the reds dried faster. Can you explain please?
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Kevin ...thank you for the quick response. When you say "here to stay" could you be a bit more concise. I don't mean to be obtuse here but I'm sure the one shot name is here to stay...my question how ever is how long will the lettering ENAMELS remain at the level we now know them to be? Could you give us some insight on what the E.P.A. might have instore for One Shot as far as legislation goes? Are we really staring reality in the face as far as the waterborne paints are concerned? I see all these questions bantied about here on the BB but never see factual answers only rumors?
------------------ Monte Jumper SIGNLanguage/Norman.Okla.
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I cannot answer specifically for OneShot but after working for Chromatic for 17 years I can enlighten you about the enamels. As a group, they are exempted as a graphic arts material. There have been isolated incidences of over restrictions in some areas of the country, but overall Federal and EPA regulations allow the manufacture and use of these paints. There is an exemption for the hard lead oxide pigments as they are not water or blood soluable and subsequently not able to poison people like the white lead can which is water soluable. The use of lead pigments today is largely misunderstood by the public and lawmakers as well. Certainly there is a hazard from the sanding dust from lead pigments as regards lung ailments however this hazard is similar to any other particualte concern, not and ingested poisoning concern. Even in the most tightly regulated AQMD district of the CA Bay area, Graphic Arts finishes have been exempted since 1983 with no movement to change these regulations as they follow Federal guidelines. There have been instances of over zealous inspectors applying regulations for other industries and ignoring the graphics arts exemptions. These get the press and precipitate this paranoya about loosing our ability to use enamels. While it is wise to limit the amount of solvent in your workspace expecially by utilizing some of the superior waterbourne technologies, that does not mean that where appropriate, you will not be able to use alkyd enamels. I am sure Kevin and the OneShot folks can provide additional information but sufice it to say that there is no movement on the horizon to eliminate the graphic arts paints for the professional.
------------------ Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio Greeley, Colorado, USA kent@smithsignstudio.com
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I couldn't express it any better than Kent just did. Right now everything has seemed to quite down on the banning lead pigments issue. The NPCA (National Paint & Coating Association) has done an excellent job convincing state lawmakers that lead-based products can be produced and used safely, and are a very important asset to many industries, including the graphic arts.
On Rick's mention of the slow drying 155-L Reflex Blue, it shouldn't dry that slowly. Was it cold and/or humid when you worked with the product? I pulled the QC reports on the last ten batches of 155-L, and all batches had dried tack-free within two hours. Batch Code Date Dry Time 800008 10/09/00 2 hrs 800009 10/09/00 2 hrs 800148 11/14/00 2 hrs 800149 11/14/00 2 hrs 800220 12/04/00 2 hrs 800221 12/04/00 2 hrs 800222 12/04/00 2 hrs 800435 01/30/01 1.5 hrs 800436 01/30/01 1.5 hrs 800437 01/30/01 1.5 hrs
I have three batches in QC now, so I'll check the dry time on those as the tests are done. Now these times are done at about 68 to 70 degrees F. Once the temp drops below 60 F. things really slow down and below 50 degrees F. you're asking for trouble. Notice the batches done in January dried quicker probably due to lower humidity.
Now reds on the other hand are our slowest drying colors, QC'ing at 3 to 6, sometimes as long as 8 for the Bulletin Maroon. Anything slower than that doesn't make it out the door. If you have the batch code off the lid of the can of Reflex Blue, I'll have the retain run through QC again.
Kevin
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Thanks Kent...thanx Kevin good information and hopefully it will put some of the rumors to rest.If there are any new EPA regulations affecting paint products it sure would be handy to get that info right here on the BB.
Thank you again!
------------------ Monte Jumper SIGNLanguage/Norman.Okla.
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Oh Great Doctor of Letters...that added quote on your post here, is so eloquently stated.
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