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This past weekend, my brother in law was putting his Motorcycle away for the weekend. My niece who is 10 years old and a little sweetheart, a little Bitty sweetheart, who looks 7years old but acts like she is 30, wanted to go on a ride with him. He caved in, because he did'nt take her on the bike all summer, he was just to nervous to take his Daughter on the bike. Anyway off the went 5 minutes later they were going down the road and a Guy turning to his left cut them off, he did'nt see them. They slammed into them and went flying over the handle bars and into the car, My brother in law broke his leg in 2 places and lay there dazed and in extreme pain, all the while calling for Hillary, then from across the road she yells to him..... "DAD, DAD, I'm alright, I'm not Hurt, then proceeded to call her mother from the cell phone like an adult, she flew completely over the car landing on the road in front of other oncoming vehicles which stopped to give assistance. I'm not an overly religious person, but I do believe in Guardian Angels. She had one bruise on her knee, a little Bruise, but she thinks that she got that bruise the day before playing with her freinds in her backyard.
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Neil, Me myself like you not a very religious person, but my Dad was, Very devout and very strong in his beliefs, to the point his devotion to his studies took him to more of a teaching level, even gided long time preachers. Anyway as far as the angels, yes. More than a dozen times situation that were along the line of your experience I should have been more than dead at the least and my dad would always call or come by the next morning and over coffee calmly say what were you doing last night or yesterday around a certain time, I would always ask why and he would just say I had to pray for Angels to look over you because I woke up and knew something was wrong or a situation had gone bad. I would say what happened or a sign fell taking me a ladder and whatever else with it and no dammage to self or people or even the sign.
Just last year Dad was diagnosed with cancer and did not survive, Not only was he my Dad but best friend and business partner, we spent every day together and the only thing he ask for me to do for him was to have his sister that he had not seen in 10 years come and pray with him. we were told that he had 2 months on a Friday and I got His sister on her way she does not fly so she had to have family member drive her, she was to arrive on thursday. Dad was going down fast and we had always made each other a prommise that if death was inevitable not to hang on and linger in sickness. We talked every day, and Thursday he would not talk with anyone but myself, I told him his sis was on her way and hang on, he took my hand and said it was time tell every one, His whole family was there except 2 grandsons one in the miliary and one tring to get here. His sister arrived from a 1200 mile non stop drive and walked in said hi tied her shoe, I told Dad his sis was here and he squeezed my hand, she walked over having not seen him only talked and prayed together on the phone weekly for 10 years, put both hand on his face and said I have missed you so much and you are such a beautiful person, and all your studies have prepared you for life above, Mom & Dad are waiting, I love you so much and the Angels are here for you now, Dad sat up smiled at every one in the room squeezed my hand, layed down took my Moms hand and she said its ok i love you, he squezzed our hands looked straight into his sisters eyes holding his face took one breath and left with the Angels. 14 people were in the room and an incredible peace and calm came over all of us enough so every one commented on it. So I have to say yes to the Angels. This was the worst day of my life but also the greatest thing I have ever seen.
I don't know why this grabed my so hard this morning, but I felt I had to share with you and the heads sorry for such a long post. Hope I did't bring every one down. but I guess with the one year comming up 11.21.03 its ligering. Time to get back to work. thanks for listning.
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Touching story Mark. Not very religious here either, but...I swear there were a few instances in life that always made me believe.
One time as a kid I woke up in the middle of the night to have a ghostly/angelic figure hovering over the end of my bed. It was awesome, being 12 yrs old or so you would think something like that could scare the heck out of you, it was one of the most peaceful things though. I remember it like yesterday.
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Mark, that's an absolutely wonderful story, Not depressing in any way. Like I said I'm not overly religious, but I do Believe in higher powers. My wife reads the Bible Every single day, she is Highly Religious, no she's not fanatical at all, in any way, she don't go to church, you would never say that she is religious, but she has a great Personality, kind, and giving.
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Like you, I am not a very religious person, but I fully believe in angels (as in guardian, and guiding) and a deep, abiding spiritual realm. These stories are remarkable and I'm glad to have read them. Thanks!
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Just wonder what the phrase, "I'm not very religious" means exactly.
I hear people say this a lot. I don't know if this statement is a badge of honor or a disclaimer that they somehow have control over their lives...just curious.
Does this mean: you don't believe in God, you don't like church, you'll get to heaven on your own without believing anything in particular, or if you're good enough you'll walk towards the bright light or what?
If this is the case...what is the definition of good enough and how do you know if you're good enough?
I absolutely believe in angels...and am wondering if Neil is one...(smile now), because there is this eerie glow around his head in all his photos....hehehe.
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I can't speak for everyone. Here it means a believer in God and the after world but not a faithful church goer or Bible reader. Hope that doesn't make me a bad Christian.
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great stories. The incident in my life that I was reminded of is one I never thought of in the sense of a higher power or an angle, as much as one of luck.... but maybe the fact that this story comes to mind for me now is a message in itself.
Once I was at a friends house who was watching a baby for his friend. His house was anything but baby-proofed, in fact it was full of attractions for this child. He stepped out of the room & I watched this child crawl over to the foot of his shelves. In a second, she spotted an electrical cord hanging down from an upper shelf & grabbed it. Without wasting a second to even look up, I was able to lunge out to reach over her head with both hands & I caught an iron. That kinda shook me up a bit, but I sure was glad I was paying attention.
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I lost my brother on Sept 25th. I designed his headstone (as one last little sign job for my bro) and went to his grave after delivering the stencil I cut out for it to the headstone guy. After coming home my wife Aggie wanted to goto the animal shelter to see about getting my little girls a puppy.
She was just about to open the door when she heard a scraping sound on the door. She opened the door and there was a shihhsu (sp?). The little dog just came right in.
We looked for an owner but could not find anyone in the neighborhood who lost it.
The cool thing was I really don't prefer small dogs that bark all the time. But this one never barked and would jump in the bed and cuddle up to you.
We were told that it was a sign that my brother was ok, and to keep the dog as we haven't found the owner. The dog ran away for a few hours and came back, but on one occasion, he ran off and hasn't been back since.
I guess it's ok. The dog came into our lives to let us know my brother's alright. And that's ok by me.
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My son always wanted a dog but I knew that it may be too much to take care of, a big commitment, usually falls on the adult for the next 15 years. I had a fenced in yard and everything, and I thought if I did take one, it would be the next door one since it was a wonderful black lab and the girls there found they took on more than they could handle.
One day I received a request from the humane society about a donation, along with a story about "Astro", how he had been found literally starving as you could see his poor ribs. He was rescued and fed with the picture of the "after" : the happy healthy ending. Of course, my heart went out to the situation as always, thus, I called immediately to let them know I would like to only donate a banner (which is usually easier for me than cash flow), but also get a rescue circuit going that would be run by homebound individuals (even senior citizens) that have a void in their lives) to network and report any abuse of any type of animal, even horses, birds, etc.) This stayed heavy on my mind all evening and morning and I was restless.
The next day as I was plugging along in the car looking for the market to open that had coffee, deciding that I would hurry home and paint signs. But, as I noticed what a perfect late summer day it was, I decided not to waste it inside and instead mind and to go for my candle supplies in the next town (to Bayberry Bog) since it was getting near Christmas time. I just headed out there and about a half an hour later, passed the dog pound, which I forgot was on the way. I remarked to myself that it was a coincidence since I had been in thought of Astro and my neighbor's dog and such. Traveling just about a half of a mile or so further, there was a little puppy in the left embankment running loose getting ready to run back out in the road in front of an oncoming car approaching. I called the dog and opened my car door and to my amazement she jumped in and laid her head on my lap! I went to every house up and down the country road, looking for her owner and ran into several interesting folks. One house had a nice well-kept dog breeding business with rare dogs, and then across the street lived a woman called the "puppet lady", they called her, as she made puppets for homeless children and also took in stray cats. She said she would take the dog if I didn't find her a home, Later after visiting the candle supply shop in the bog, I revisited the farmhouse where I found her; they revealed the puppy was fed by them for 2 weeks as she came to them in an emaciated state. (a familiar scenario). I knew then I needed to take her home, as my son was very happy to have a pal now. (our cat had been believing he was a dog up until now).
I do believe there is more than meets the eye and our minds are certainly entertaining more than we realize! Many centuries and people speak about angels, and even for us that don't always make it to church or profess religion, there is always a special time in our lives that a greater higher force will reveal itself to us. And, with that thought, we may just have another common thread among us. What do you think?
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Okay, here's another POV. Read your Old Testament lately? Angels are God's hit men. Whenever Jehovah needed someone whacked, whether it was the Pharoah's first born or whoever, an angel got the contract, and angels don't miss. Whether they take on protection jobs may or may not be the case, but I don't think that is ever actually mentioned in the Bible. Seems whenever an angel gets involved, bad things happen to somebody (whether it's just or deserved is not what I'm questioning). We have this image from Renaissance paintings of angels as cute. I don't think so.
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When I wrote my post I thought "religious" meant "churchgoing." You made me curious, though, so I just went to dictionary.com and found out that I was wrong! (think of that)
So what I meant was that I don't go to church, or follow any particular religious teaching.
In the future I think I will say that I am somewhat religious but not a church-goer.
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Like many here I usually say... I'm not religious as a simple way of avoiding a long conversation about what I do and don't believe.
When folk come knocking on the door I thank them for their time and say 'I have my own faith thank you', which I figure is the polite thing to do.
I have always remembered my mother telling me, (as a nosey kind of kid who asked way to many questions) that a persons religion, politics,finances and sex life are their own business and none of mine!
I also recall a philosophy course one of my kids did at Uni talked about how belief is an accumulation of life's lessons and conclusions drawn from all we see and are taught, and that 'faith' is the HOPE that our belief's are correct.
I have read many of the 'good books' over my years on this planet without predigest.
And like Cam, have read in the christian books that angels are the ones who get called in to hand out the news of coming events and deal to the folk who had something coming...good and bad
But as a human being I, like many others, tend to like the feeling that someone is watching over us from time to time, and that somehow our lives are important to the bigger picture.
There have been many, many times in my life that I have felt the hand of someone else at play when I have needed it the most.
And I have been reminded more than once that there are 'more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in my philosophy'.
I am not religious in the sense that I do not subscribe to any one belief system, but I have a great deal of faith which is upheld again reading the stories that you have all written.
Thanks for a great post!
cheers gail
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I did a quick search on my PDA NIV Bible software (new testament)....and angels are almost always brought on the scene to deliver messages from God or assist the people God has chosen to carry out his plans on earth.
If you want to read an awesome story involving an angel...read Acts 12:7 - thru - 12:16.
King Herod killed James, brother of John to the delight of the bloodthirsty Jews of that time...and then tossed Peter into prison...with wrist irons and the whole bit.
God sent an angel to rescue him from prison...the angel had his wrist irons unlock themselves and fall from his wrists and walked him out of the city with gates opening by themselves in front of him as he walked...fantastic, miraculous stuff...but what else would you expect from the designer of the universe?
Angels were able to perform miracles of all sorts through the power God gave them. Read the story...it's fantastic.
I would say that as well as heavenly angels...there are evil ones as well...remember Satan was an arch angel that thought he was as powerful as God...so God tossed him and some other rotten angels out of heaven....they have been trying to stick it to God ever since by doing everything they can to keep people from making it to heaven and fooling them into ...shall we say....walking "away" from the bright light.
God stuck it back to Satan by sending Jesus, his only son, to earth to pay for the sins of mankind by shedding his own blood on the cross, being buried, and rising to life again on the third day...so that those who believe in Jesus as their Savior thru his death and subsequent resurection can be saved and live an eternity in heaven with God.
Jesus paid the ultimate price to cancel the sins of those that believe in God thru Him. Pretty simple...really easy...and literally a gift of God to us...we just need to accept it.
Angels to me are kind of like a Christians conscience in a way....
Strikingly enough, the Bible is pretty direct in saying believing in "a" god isn't enough...even the Devil believes in God. Makes ya think.
This is my belief system anyway...angels and all included...it's interesting to hear about people's life stories and upbringings. Have a great day all....
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Daniel chapter 3 is another gripping account of angelic protection. Jehovah sent one of his divine messengers to save the three Hebrews who were cast into the burning, fiery furnace by Nebuchadnezzar. Verse 28 of that chapter reads in part “...Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, who sent his angel and rescued his servants that trusted in him...”
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Gail, I also like this post. Your answer pretty well sums up the way I look at things & saved me a bunch of typing!!
Do I believe in Angels??.....Sure, I've met too many of them not to know that they're around. Shoot, I've even known some fallen angels who weren't really evil, they just had made their share of mistakes & seemed to be fellow travelers on the road to redemption.
For some additional reading on the subject of angels, check out "Dialogs With The Devil" by Taylor Caldwell. It's a fictional account of the correspondence between the arch-angel Michael & Lucifer that has some unusual perspectives about good vs. evil.
Also, haven't all of us had chance encounters with a stranger that left us wondering....."who WAS that??.........
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I realize this post was expressing thankful amazement at the safety of a child in a dangerous situation. Cam has touched on one of my observtions though. From what I read of angels, they seem like bikers. There is one verse that alters this perception though. "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it."
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Attending Catholic school in my youth there were often pictures of angels, usually of the guardian persuasion. We were told everyone was assigned one. To a child it was a comforting thought without much biblical verification.
Cam's point is more biblically accurate but who knows when Providence does protect us, read:God, not cute Raphaelian angels. A scholary priest recently noticed that angel belief is giving way too much accord for so minor of figures in the history of God's work.
Easier to believe in an all loving, non-judgemental angel than a wrathful God? Just a thought.
What is the adage? "God protects fools and drunks". (Not an aspersion on your family Neil).
I also believe in "angles", especially the isosceles variety.
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I would have to put my signature under Todd's post. One wrong assumption about angels is, that they are people, who have made it to heaven after death. According to the scriptures, angels are spirit beings, who were created as such, and have never been human at any time. I'm happy that this post has survived so far without arguing or personal attacks.
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Well thank you Lotti...and I agree also with your note on angels being spirtitual creatures, created specifically differently from people.
Thanks for pointing that one out....
We should start a post on "Do you believe in the power of prayer?" That would be interesting as well. I personally try and pray before every job I start...as I feel that God gave me the talent I have, and I ask him to work his success and will through those talents.
I like to get the "pride" thing outa the way and give the glory to the "Big guy upstairs". It's hard to do when people are telling you how good you are at what you do and such. I always tell them, "everybody has been given a talent by God. You have one too...you simply need to discover what that is and put it to work to God's liking."
I've know people who seem to be perpetually happy...almost unnaturally positive and encouraging.....this is something I really have to work at and admire in those with that gift.
Have a great weekend EVERYBODY....and try and affect someone's life in a positive way!!! Cya.
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"... entertaining angels" ... I now have the biggest body rush after reading the posts, as, I feel I have been in the midst of something special for a long, long time, even conversing with many of you letterheads. It's just amazing what transpires as we cross each other's paths and trade all types of information through the years, whether it be an answered question on the bb or a meet or both. I am amazed at the positive power of our small efforts.
We all make a difference to each other, in the positive and negative. We possess much power of decision of what happens to us and our fellow human beings. We must have measurements in our lives, and no matter what your belief system is, we can always focus on staying "open" to the truth, which is the "light" and the love which surpasses all human understanding. I'm now ready for that "good weekend", now, thanks to all of you that kept this post a positive one.
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Good to hear everything's okay Neil. Could've been the same "angel" that saved my 5 year old son's life 3 and a half years ago in a freak playground accident. Again, I'm not religious, but I do understand the thought.
Okay, it sounds dumb, but a 19 month old sliding down a corkscrew slide on his mothers lap. Mom loses grip, and the little boy flies out of her arms and SMACK into the support pole for the playstructure HEAD first. Out cold. Harried drive to the hospital, thru redlights, with him out cold still. Comes to, throws up, passes out. Comes to again, and they send us from the local hospital to downtown TO's Sick Kids with explicit instructions to "HURRY"---no ambulances available.
Fractured Skull, fractured eye orbit. CATScans, Neck collar for 3 days. A week in Sick Kids Hospital in Toronto. Everything turns out fine.
We don't look at playground equipment the same anymore. You'd actually be surprised how many kids are seriously injured every year in accidents just like my son had, on public playground equipment. The numbers were shocking.
And if you ever have the 'misfortune' to be in Sick Kids Hospital, you'll see lots of angels. It's a VERY emotional place, with incredible people everywhere to help you cope. Although Will's injury was 'severe', it was a drop in the bucket compared to what I saw in a week there. I now help at the Sick Kids Telethon every year.
You never know what you've got till it's gone---or at least in jeopardy.....
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Great Story Ted, I'm glad everything came out great. On another "Postitive" Note, Friday I became a "Great Uncle" My niece Gave Birth to a 71b. Baby Boy, "Jack" is his name, everyone is doing fine, I guess more Angels at work.
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Chris, thanks, glad I saved you some typing bro
I have read most of Taylor Caldwell's books too, and marveled at how he (a man writing as a woman) is able to not only seem to be there, but also can so effortlessly take you there too! the mark of a good author I guess
So taken with one of Taylor Caldwell's books that I read while I was expecting my 3rd baby, I actually named my son after the main character... but shortened the spelling to Lucus
without sounding hoky, I think that the same energy which gives us that sense of intense wonder looking at nature and all things beautiful, and a sense of dread when we are involved with unexpected adversity also serves to illuminate and guide our lives during the course of our normal activities
we may call it the spirit of any name we like, because again as human beings, we like the forms of communication we feel comfortable with... words to explain or contain thoughts gives us a sense of control over that which we don't understand, and I know that counts for most of what life has shown me 'stuff I don't understand!'
Rick, coming from a biker background I always saw the humanity within the misfit
I have heard the analogy of angel and biker before, also the modern day biker and Knights Templar of old, and can see easily where both trains of thoughts may come
I have known the hearts of many of the so called anti-social outlaws as those full of honour
You don't get to ride in a 7000 strong christmas toy run without feeling the power of people who, for the most part hold a sense of family and responsibility of care for the those smaller and weaker than they are
you can't stand at a grave site with those that society would disavow and seeing the tears and the pain flow freely for the loss of another, without seeing the bond of humanity which the costume may try to hide
'entertained angels unawares' you bet!
Ted, yup spent a heap of time in kids hospitals
coming from a biker background as I said above, in my youth I acquainted big n beefy wrongly with strength until I saw a 3yr old burn victim's fight for life... the months of treatment required would break many a 'strong' man
Or a baby born with no more but a brain stem who needs constant music played to stop otherwise uncontrollable fitting even though they are totally deaf
An infant who has been in traction for the first 7mths of their life, who knows nothing but pain and distress, and yet who gurgles when you tickle their toes and ears
When you witness a 9mth old (my son) handle too many 7 hr operations, lumbar punctures and other invasive procedures of the horrific kind, and still open his eyes to a face that he recognises and smile, you see your faith in living colour right there in front of you
yup spent a heap of time in kids hospitals and I can tell you they are full of the spirit we have been talking about both in the patients and their careers
cheers gail
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Cam's reply should be heeded by those that regard God as the big softie in the sky, however Matthew 18:10 speaks of what seems like "gaurdian angels" for children.
Niel I hope you're not like me in that I rejoice to see God's intervention in my life, then get caught up in the affairs of life and forget what happened. If you're certain that he exists, then you wouldn't be a fool to spend a lifetime finding out if he has a plan for your life. Even if you lived to be 1000 years old, still the most important pursuit you could make. I once thought God was way way too important to take time for me as an individual, but I was wrong.
In the book of Proverbs, ch 15, it says: "The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good." He beholds every one of us. Jesus said: Seek and ye shall find, knock and it will be opened unto you."
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It was awesome, being 12 yrs old or so you would think something like that could scare the heck out of you, it was one of the most peaceful things though. I remember it like yesterday.
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