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No Todd, I'm not comparing the US To Canada at all, Banks was'nt the proper term, But a bank did hand out firearms to newly opened accounts all the same. Did you see "Bowling for Columbine?" I'm not saying that I agree with you or not, I don't live in your country. But Here in Canada we don't live in igloos, and tents, we do have running water, and Cable, believe it or not. And Toronto has a few more than a thousand people living there. This is said all with tongue in cheek Todd, I know that the US People are great People, there the first to give a hand to anyone in need, same as Canadians.
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Another thing About Canada, do you realize how big we are? Huh? And we are on top! If we were in prison the US Would be our Bitch! lol just trying to lighten things up a bit.
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Neil, anything from "Bowling from Columbine" is not going to be factual. That scene at the bank, and many others was misleading to downright false. Of course that dufus makes a good living doing that.
The gun laws in each respective country keeps getting hashed out constantly. Suffice it to say,if Neil feels the need to educate us out of our stereotypically thoughts on Canada, let me do one here.
Most Americans are plenty safe(if not more) here in our small towns across the country. It is only when you factor in the modern cesspool of large American cities when the statistics get jaded real quick. Sad, but no more of a reality for me or millions of Americans and just as safe as the so called stats show in Canada and England.
England by the way lost their rule of law in the last 50 years. Hot burglaries (when the owners are home) is astronomically higher than here in the US. God forbid you defend yourself in the process also. Gun ownership makes one think twice about entering here.
Of course, with universal, unfettered immigration hitting all western nations, the crime you all speak of will rise just as it is in the US.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2787 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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How come? Page two on such a controversial “way off topic” thread and it’s still “smoking”?
The situation about guns and gun violence in this country is self-evident. The population in general is quite armed and in my state people can legally carry concealed weapons. It’s a no-brainer to anyone who reads the front pages of most any local newspaper and has an eye out for the myriads of incidents and accidents reported there involving guns.
All I want to address is the “dufus” remark by David, whose opinion I value and respect.
I want to point out that Michael Moore won the Oscar for making this documentary. And that the bank was real, and the weapons handed out were real, and that the only thing added was the fun Michael poked at them in portraying it.
We all know Columbine was real It actually was a disaster in the making as was proven to us last week when a movie surfaced made of the culprits doing target practice and boasting of tragedy to come - a year before they blew their classmates away.
As for getting rich from it, more power to Michael Moore. In the beginning he sold his house and worldly possessions to make his other film: “Roger and Me” with a handheld camera and a burning conviction. Just because he looks like a couch potoato, does not make it so. He worked for his fame and infamy.
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Far more people this year will be killed and injured in the US,Canada & UK by people driving after they drink than will ever be murdered in the next 2 and i dont see any of you on a bandwagon to feel safer if you couldnt have that precious drink..hell they stronger they are the more of a "real man" you are right? I dont know one gunowner that would sit in his living room aiming a loaded weapon at his wife,children,friends or strangers....yet not one of you would think twice nor probably has about having a few drinks at dinner and loading up the family and driving home,driving your buddies home or whatever and ya probably even have funny stories about it now. Oh ya of course NOONE does that nor would they dream of it right? of course not. Maybe i'm being harsh since we can surely see how getting Kmart to stop selling bullets has ended all violence. As for assault weapons..assault is a state of mind,not an inanimate object.
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Michael Moore and his Oscar: That tells it all right there. He's a flaming liberal and out of the mainstream. The Hollywood crowd is undeniable skewed to the far far left...so this is no surprise.
As far as Columbine, my opinion would be that in this particular case...the parents should be prosecuted because their kids had easy access to their guns. I do believe in respecting the power of any potentially lethal weapon by ensuring they aren't readily available to kids with imature minds. They apparently made no attempt to keep the guns properly stored...I am a big advocate of gun safety and training.
However, the situation about guns and gun violence in America ISN'T self evident....maybe in the minds of freedom grabbers and liberal elite media. The video you point to shows the kids handling the guns in a dangerous manner...they obviously had no training in gun safety or they wouldn't be holding the barrel of a shotgun directly at their faces and blowing the smoke off the end.
I saw CNN show this video and actually say they were shooting "automatic" weapons. This is blatantly false...they had a SEMI-auto and that is worlds apart...but the point being the liberally biased media goes to subtle and sometimes great extent to push their agenda through scare tactics.
Columbine was a tragedy...but so was the Green River killings in which the guy responsible for killing 48 (confirmed) prostitutes by mostly strangling them, was sentenced yesterday.
There is also a serial killing case going on in Canada right now for some guy who killed at least 14 people...guess that guy didn't give a hoot about gun laws...he found a way to kill them anyway.
People die in a million different ways...and you can't legislate love and morality. Gun control is a losing political issue as most Americans are for the 2nd Ammendment and don't want to have this freedom further eroded.
I'm still wondering why autos and swimming pools, which take scores more lives in a given year than guns aren't on the freedom grabbers "ban" hitlist?!
I'm generally VERY unpopular in some of my opinions, but as long as you asked...
I don't think being fingerprinted, as well as providing some basic, non-invasive documentation, is at all out of line.
In fact (here's where I get the dirty looks), I think it would be a good idea to require fingerprinting for school-age children, much in the same way many immunizations are required, once their fingerprints have fully developed, which I believe I once heard is about age 8.
Think of the advantages it would provide society, not to mention the grief, time and money it would save. The crime rate would drop across the board. EVERYONE would think twice before committing those "first few" crimes, because "their prints aren't on file anywhere"...EVERYONE'S prints would be on file. Technology would allow for what would be as close to "absolute" security as we've ever seen; no picture ID's which are easily forged...fingerprints. You'd never have a John Doe in a hospital, jail or morgue. The country's social services bureaus would save millions, if not billions in false and multiple use benefits fraud. The safety, security and economic ramifications would be huge.
I know this all makes me sound like some kind of communist, 1984, big-brother-is-watching kinda guy...but the fact is that right, wrong or indifferent, it would work.
Back to your original question though; no, I wouldn't feel like a criminal. They take your fingerprints when you join the service...I had to provide fingerprints for my pistol permit. New York State started fingerprinting welfare recipients a few years back, and saved several million dollars the first year alone.
If perchance your post originated as the result of seeing what's happening in Iraq right now...you don't even wanna get me started on THAT subject!!!
Like there weren't already enough people that thought I was a wingnut...
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I've tried to stay out of this, but Brian's post really got me thinking. Three days after my father in law died we were contacted by one of his buddies who searched for our number. We were never contacted by the hospital or police. Somehow he had no id when he got to the hospital, but his license miraculously appeared there before the funeral home got there. Had this friend of his NOT taken it on her own to find us, he would have been buried by the state as a John Doe and we would have no idea what happened to him. Had fingerprints been required, we would have been notified immediately.
I'm still not sure where I stand on the whole fingerprinting issue. But I do think our borders have been too unguarded for too long.
Mark Higdon, as one of those 64,999,987 I'm laughing my butt off.
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Finger printing has not not ever will STOP crime. Its a waste of time to print every person and its even more redicolous to print and store the records of every kid.
Criminals avoid leaving finger prints at crime scenes and are now at this time getting much better at DNA avoidance too.
Finger prints are not the powerfull tool you may think. Yes they are sometimes added as evidence at criminal trials. However, they are not a deciding factor. Except in certain cases They are often not collected any more.
There are so many legal chalanges over collecting and storing finger prints DNA as a crime prevention tool. It is against the very basic rules of the constitution. Thats why only felons are DNA'd now.
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this post got totally convoluted. started out about fingerprints and photos for traveling and went to gun conrol, liberals,drunk drivers and documentary(look up the meaning)moviemakers. i stated my feeling on the info that is available on each of us and it being used for the wrong reasons. as for gun control, iam 58 yrs old and HAVENT OWNED A GUN SINCE 1982!!!!! and iam still alive and havent been attacked, or my house broken into..... and you dont hunt with a military assult weapon!!!!! any place ive ever hunted, you were not allowed to use a full auto and shotguns could only hold more then 7 shells!!!! so the purpose of owning an assult weapon is?????????? as for drunk drivers....iam 100% in agreement with gavin....idiots and booze..LEATAL COMBINATION!!!! i have no sympathy for anyone who gets a D.U.I. or 2!!!!!! now you are a total idiot!!!!!!! now if you want to start a gun control post....thats another subject...
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I'm with you Joe! But I really don't count, cause I'm Canadian. But Finger Printing I'm all for, I don't have an issue at all, it could Identify you if you Die, it will rule you out if you're innocent, It can and does protect you.
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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Op...now take this with a grin...but did you also give up on meat around the same time you gave up your guns? This lack of carnivorous protein may have affected your judgement...allowing you to give up what George Washington believed every family should own to keep Big Brother at bay.
I'm guessing, if you ate a couple of big macs and a supersize fry, you'd be wanting your guns back and all color would return to the land of Oz.
Now, why does anyone need a military style rifle? As a 2nd ammendment right, I don't understand why you would question this of anyone.
How about, because thank God we can?!
I consider it an insurance policy against Big Brother...and that's the best, historically legitimate reason of all.
To question it would be like me asking..."Why do you drive a Ford instead of a Chevy?" I don't think it's my right to dictate which TYPE of vehicle you choose to drive that may cause loss of life today.
Hehehehehehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-------------------- Todd Gill Outside The Lines Potterville, MI Posts: 7792 | From: Potterville, MI | Registered: Dec 2001
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We've been watching this post develop over the last few days. I realize it might be seen as a political post by some, but the subject matter is of great interest to people who travel to the US.
Over the last few years, Barb and I have had the opportunity to spend several months each year south of the Canadian border. Once you get thru with the scrutiny at the border, we really don't notice many differences between us on the surface.
It's only when you get talking guns, medical and politics that you see the differences. I'm still amazed when one of our US pals shows us the gun they carry in their cars for personal protection. I'm not going to pass judgement on this issue, but I don't think many of our US pals realize how bizarre and alien this is to those from other countries.
It does make you think twice about giving another driver the bird. I sure don't want to be around anyone drunk and mean who has a firearm in their car. Before long I would feel the need to arm myself. Now there's a scary thought.
This originally started as a travel post. Letterheads need to travel in order to attend meets, so it's important to know security issues, and be aware of the culture differences between countries. With that in mind, there was some value in this post early on.
In any event, I really feel this subject has run it's course. If allowed to continue it will deteriate into a them vs us debate that nobody can win.
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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