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How many bubbles, kinks & creases are you allowed?!
P.S. Och, aye, welcome to Letterville Jock!!!
[ October 31, 2003, 06:58 AM: Message edited by: Ian Stewart-Koster ]
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"...there are no limits when you aim for perfection..." Jonathan Livingston Seagull Posts: 7014 | From: Highgrove via Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia | Registered: Dec 2002
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this quote from the same topic on Robert's own signboard:
quote:the one thing that would obviosly have to be a rule or not worth doing. is that the vinyl application must be of exceptable quality & that the truck, sign whatever be veiwed from eye level and pass!
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We unstalled a 32' edge graphic one piece on a racing trailer. It was (and always is) a dry install. However, it was a two person install. That's the best I've got.
""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3486 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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Robbie...or Rab...my laddie- You need to ask Al Checca (they little guy with the green metallic wig in the 2002 Mars meet pix) He is a tiny man and can apply at least a 48" letter dry without a crinkle or a bubble...in the wind, up high on a water tower...alone. I'll bet he can beat anybody's record. Love-JILL ps Welcome aboard!
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The best I have done is 4'x 8'x 72' panels all dry app.(Tractor/Trailer) Or a 32" x 32' background (Illuminated Facia) Dry. Single person (Myself)..
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Letting Your Imagination Run Wild! Posts: 4327 | From: Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada | Registered: Jan 2000
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Thanks for all the replies guys.. I have a contract that im doing just now.. About 100 trucks, various sizes. All panel work etc.. I have the biggest one coming up which is to completely cover the trailer in vinyl with a minimum of panelling. (two I hope) I recently took some pictures of a small truck that I did alone for my own website and decided that I would like to attempt the biggest I have attempted yet.. One of our guys said to me, this is huge, can you do it? If so, it must be some kind of record. I just chuckled and then thought.. I wonder? I will be taking a video of myself doing this application. More For keep sake if anything else. The application like Doug mentioned. “Has to be good quality”. No bubbles, creases etc.. I don’t see the point doing something of any size size badly. I am charging the company for this application so unless its top notch I wont get paid. Anyway. Like I have on a coule of sites, I thought ide ask you guys on letterheads if you knew of anyone that’s done similar. After all I thought if its been done anywhere im sure someone here will have heard. Thanks for the welcome, im not a big poster on this site by any means. But I do visit it regular and have done for some years now. Lots of amazing talent & knowledge. Jill! Robbie, rob, rab, boab, bobby I get called them all.. I just wonder if I should do this application in my kilt..
The smaller apps I have did I have shown a small demo as follows. I am sorry but this one comes of my site and has the pictures branded. Not attempting at a free advert.. these are all I have loaded on the net. I do apologise steve, if im over stepping my mark feel free to delete the pictures/demo.
My progress is shown below…
Pics 1,2 & 3 Show me beginning the work. The most important part has to be the start. Having rolled the vinyl up pretty tight to allow me to hold it in one hand I rolled about 24 inches. I peeled the backing paper back from the rear and lined the vinyl up along the top only. Keeping the vinyl about .5 inches away from the top and perfectly straight I run my squeegee down the depth of the panel. This made sure that if kept the vinyl taught and applied nice and tight the vinyl will continue o run straight without the need to re-measure or keeping an eye on how straight it is at spaced intervals. Pic 2 having just paused for a minute to give my “left” arm a break from holding the vinyl taught I proceeded to pull more backing paper from the back. This allowing me to carry on. Pic 3 while allowing the backing paper to fall to my side I carry on working my way from right to left.
Pics 4,5,6, 7 & 8 By this time im 2/3 the way across. The vinyl starts to narrow and the backing paper is becoming heavy. I decided to pull off what backing paper I still had on the rear. Fold the vinyl back on itself to allow me to hold better and I carried on. Pic 5, by this time I was almost finished but I had run out of length on the catwalk I was working on.. I completed this part by stretching over as shown. Pic 6-7, I start to strip the application tape from the vinyl. (Right to left horizontally and at a slight angle) Pic 8 Search for any small blisters you may have missed and pop them with your knife.
The first panel shown took me about 5 mins or so to apply. I proceeded to apply the lower panel then the text on top of that. One complete side took about 30 minutes start to finish.
some finished vehicles shown. red is never a good colour to apply onto blue. as you can see from pictures it doesnt stand out well.. funny enough, in the flesh the text stands out nice. "still, left to me i would have chosen something different." :wink:
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NOT FAIR!!!! Trucks without rivets! How come we don't have trucks without rivets. I know for a fact that there are people in this country whose only job is to stand there and figure out how many rivets can be squeezed onto a truck. It's a rivet makers conspirecy. They hate vinyl jockeys and they are out to get us.
OK... I'm going to take my medication now. Bye.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5397 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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Hi Dave. We do actually get our fair share of trucks with rivets but most these days don’t. Well not many anyway. It’s always a bonus when you arrive at the job and only a few rivets here and there.
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Jill! Robbie, rob, rab, boab, bobby I get called them all..
Hope ya don't get called Jill too often
Missed this Doug. . No, I only get called Jill at the weekends mate.
Well so far I haven’t found or heard of anyone doing a one-man application from start to finish on his or her own at this kind of size.
I have now took sizes The exact size of the truck panel is 98.5 inches deep by 44 foot long. I will apply this in two pieces only. Each panel of vinyl measuring 50 inch deep by 44 foot. Ill apply the bottom one first then the top second working right to left.
I look forward to hearing any more replies you guys may have regarding info of similar applications or anyplace/anyone you may think worth contacting knowing of A single man application of this size.
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I doubt a world record, but, this is about the biggest one piece I've done myself. Black band at top 4'x24', second panel for drop down of black, yellow one piece 4'x16', by myself day and a half (including setting all the rivits ... lots of rivits)
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Impressive stuff mark.. Well-done mate. Can I ask how you went about this? Did you keep the vinyl rolled in left hand as you applied by the right, like I did in the demo above or some other way? I’m just curious. I have a couple of ways im thinking about tackling this job. None will be holding the vinyl though. 44foot at 50inches deep, twice will be pretty heavy going to try and hold. Any tips you have or problems you found arise when doing this job?
Thanks for sharing the picture & damn those rivets
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Basically a center hinge meathod. I roll the panel then tape into the corner ... tape every few feet (top and bottom) as I unroll the vinyl. Once I get to a few feet from the end I flip back the vinyl and remove the backing paper and tuck it under to create a roll (to keep the vinyl up/off the truck) apply the exposed end. Then peel a little backing paper ... stick it (vinyl) ... peel a little ... stick it ... rip off excess backing paper ... peel a little ... stick it ... climb down to move my scafodling ... climb back up ... peel a little ... damn, dropped my squeegee ... go get it ... stick the vinyl ... go pee ... wash hands ... peel a little ..etc.
tips- lots of tape ... that much vinyl is heavy .. taping one end only to have it fall when your taping the other sucks.
remove tape as you go a few feet before "the roll"
works for me
For a panel your size I would suggest getting someone to help you get it taped in positon.
-------------------- Compulsive, Neurotic, Anti-social and Paranoid ... but basically Happy Posts: 2677 | From: Rochester, NY, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Thanks very much for the reply. I was thinking along those lines also. I have a couple of others but not sure if they break the rules a little to a “one man application” I agree with you about getting help to position the vinyl at first, but again. I would think this may then be classed as a 2-man app or should I say, not 100% one-man application.. Taking my time and getting it right is one thing.. But keeping it 100% straight over that length is another. 1mm off at one side could be 2 inches or more out 44 feet along.
-------------------- Robert Lambie Glasgow Scotland UK
quote: I have a couple of others but not sure if they break the rules a little to a “one man application”
If you HAVE TO do it yourself that's one thing. Is there really a point to the self imposed rule? No point in making things harder than they have to be.
I see 2 rules to any job ... 1) quality work 2) get paid Anything else is the means to an end.
good luck Let us know how you make out
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Hey Robbie... I would pay to watch you install that in person...you have a very lovely bottom. The ideal would be if you were wearing your kilt and a slight breeze kicked up....not windy enuff to wreck yer vinyl, just to lift it a wee bit, laddie! love- JILL
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i dont see any rivits on the side so that doesnt count or does it ? seems like i never get anything that is smooth sided always something in my way
-------------------- Matt Fontaine Crown Designs Modesto, CA Posts: 23 | From: Modesto, CA | Registered: Nov 2002
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below is the trailer in question.. took some pics when i was up doing some smaller trucks a couple of days ago.
guess what matt? no rivetts mate thank god, is all i can say.. it seems rivetts play a big part in large vehicle applications over there.. i remember thinking this too when watching rob ivors videos.
oh well.. you guys get the sun we get the rain.. you get the rivetts and we get lovely smooth white panels..
-------------------- Robert Lambie Glasgow Scotland UK
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Hey Jill, Rob Lambie in a kilt??? Nooooo what a thought and the reason why he's stood on that ladder is because it's a normal sized van, you see Rob's only 4'3" Rob
-------------------- Steve Broughton Alpha Grafix Signs Lowfields Road Benington, Boston Lincolnshire, England Posts: 315 | From: Boston, Lincolnshire, England | Registered: Aug 2001
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if thats 4 foot wide vinyl i guess 4'8 iam sure they do a mini kilt
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Now Lads Robbie in a mini-kilt? Hmmm...even better. Thanks for the mental picture yins just gave me. And I don't believe he was using a stunt-bum either...looks 100% real to me. (may have to pinch to check) Love- Jill
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Jill please excuse my two friends Steve & Adrian. Steve & Adrian are actually midgets, but live in denial. Steve is 6’on Adrian’s shoulders & when Adrian is on Steve's shoulders, Adrian is actually 6’6”… why the extra few inches. Not sure. I think it’s Steve’s high heels…
My wife Steve.. Have no idea what you mean mate.. Ahem ahem
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