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I teach a sign-making course to junior high students in Northern Alberta... over the past year a fellow who borrowed our equipment lost our software and dongle.... arghh... and he won't replace it! We are in desperate need of Anagraph designart 3.5 pro and and an operating dongle. If you could donate or sell at a reasonable cost this software and dongle please let me know. My course starts in a few weeks. Thanks!
Howie (retired sign-guy turned public school teacher)
please email me directly hobanr at prsd.ab.ca
-------------------- Rob Hoban Look 2R Designs Grimshaw Alberta Posts: 18 | From: Grimshaw Alberta | Registered: Nov 1998
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Howie, I hope you find the software and dongle that you need. I have found loaning equipment (much less the thought of loaning software) usually results in losing them.
Without trying to come off as a wise ass here, I would respectfully suggest that you try to find more current "state of the art" signmaking software (or even Corel Draw and a cutting program) if you are teaching a course. When your students come out of the class, they will be looking for Anagraph software that hasn't been produced in six or more years.
Just thoughts and suggestions. Good luck, Mike Jackson
-------------------- Mike Jackson Golden Era Studios Jackson Hole, Wy www.goldenstudios.com/ Posts: 390 | From: PO Box 7850 | Registered: Nov 1998
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i agree with mike on this....and since your an academic entity....contact SIGN-LAB, FLEXI,COREL, VINYL MASTER PRO, SIGN WIZARD and see if they could donate or sell at an academic discount their program to you. this is a win win situation, you get new up to date softwear to teach from, the company who provides the softwear will get students who know how to work in their program out in the work force.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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I concur. We currently have a few schools using EstiMate to teach students which was (of course) donated. This is definitely good for all parties.
-------------------- Best Regards, Mark Smith EstiMate Sign Pricing Software It's Not Luck. It's EstiMate.™ http://www.EstiMateSoftware.com 1-888-304-3300 Posts: 724 | From: Asheville, NC, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Well folks... I think you've missed the point... or made some assumptions. All I really need is some software.... it is one of a number of programs I use... and it works very well.... these are grade 6 and 7 kids I'm teaching here... it will be 5 or more years before they are in the workforce so teaching current (read expensive) software is redundant because it will be obsolete by the time they are out in the workforce... the Anagraph is what I need for a particular machine and a particular component of my program... without knowledge of all of the details I don't think it's valid to comment on appropriatness of my software choice... though I respect your opinion and your work in the field I don't see how your comments on the subject are really helpful in my situation. I still need the software, and though I respect your comments, what I need right now is DesignArt pro 3.5
Thanks to all for your comments and feedback.
-------------------- Rob Hoban Look 2R Designs Grimshaw Alberta Posts: 18 | From: Grimshaw Alberta | Registered: Nov 1998
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quote: without knowledge of all of the details I don't think it's valid to comment on appropriatness of my software choice... though I respect your opinion and your work in the field I don't see how your comments on the subject are really helpful in my situation.
Nice attitude for someone looking for a FREEBIE. Hey, no offense intended.
Oh, I forgot... you still respect our opinions and comments. Right.
I have a copy of CAS-mate 6 I was going to donate to you until I saw your reply. I think it will do more good in my drawer.
I had to edit to correct spelling...
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-------------------- Bruce Bowers
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Thanks Bruce, I was just trying to harness all that energy generated by Howie's last post, but now I can just store it up & blast some other deserving victim later.
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I'm not a sign guy, but why would you want to teach youngsters who are heading into life a program that is outdated?
From what I understand it would be wise to teach a drawing program like Corel as it will offer more value and merit to youngsters growing up then to a former sign guy who lost his dongle.
Isn't it the youngsters who you are supposed to be thinking about?
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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Howie, There was a guy on this BB a few days ago wondering what to do with his old Anagraph plotter and software. He was trying to figure out if it was possible to convert the old fonts into useable TT fonts. Maybe he can work out a deal with you if he decides to give up on the old software.
There is no way any reader here can know all the details of your circumstances, but I still think the reply I made is a valid one. It makes no difference to me how you proceed. Since I don't have DesignArt 3.5 to give away, maybe I should have kept my comments to myself?
Good luck, Mike Jackson
-------------------- Mike Jackson Golden Era Studios Jackson Hole, Wy www.goldenstudios.com/ Posts: 390 | From: PO Box 7850 | Registered: Nov 1998
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How did he 'lose' the software, AND also the dongle, I'm curious? Can't they be 'found' again? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but the human nature side of the borrowing & double loss interests me, and there may be another lesson in the circumstances for us all.
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ill be nice.....really i will.....you as an EDUCATOR, should have the childrens knowledge at the forfront of your job. teaching outdated useless softwear to 6-7 graders is total ineptness on the teachers part. now i begin to question your CONCERN for the childrens education. if iam not mistaken corel will cut direct to an anagraph plotter all you need is the proper driver. and COREL is such a wonderful program and has many applications beyond sign making.......you should learn it...you will be amazed. see i was nice.....
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Something tells me that the problem here is that Howie doesnt want to go to school administration and ask them to buy new software for him because he wasnt supposed to loan it out in the first place nad he is too shy to tell them the truth. maybe he could tell the REAL truth and tell them that he is teaching them 1990's technology to kids that should be learning cutting edge technology (no pun intended). I highly recommend that he spend the time and get a copy of Corel or Adobe Illustrator, theyre both very good graphics programs that can be used for much more than just cutting out vinyl letters and making signs. In my Opinion he would be doing much more of a service to his students if they learned a graphics program that can be adapted to sign cutters than just learning a sign cutting program.
thus my 2 cents
-------------------- Harris Kohen K-Man Pinstriping and Graphix Trenton, NJ "Showing the world that even I can strategically place the pigment where its got to go." Posts: 1739 | From: Trenton, NJ, USA | Registered: Jun 2001
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quote: over the past year a fellow who borrowed our equipment lost our software and dongle.... arghh... and he won't replace it!
Howie, it's the word "won't" that bothers me on this subject. Who ever lost it should be responsible and courteous enough to replace the software and dongle. If they "won't" its for one of two reasons. 1:They are unable to replace it. 2:They are unwilling to replace it.
Consider what other folks here have posted with this in mind, too... A junior high student still has at least 5 more years of school left, and during the next 5 years, the software and equipment will continue to advance. Maybe teaching them the basics of the more current stuff will give them a better base for the newer things they will see at graduation time.
In the future, I recommend hanging up a sign out sheet for any tools or equipment that is borrowed which includes the date it was loaned out, date it will be returned, and signed by the borrower. My art teacher in high school did this and I do it in my shop to this day.
Rapid
-------------------- Ray Rheaume Rapidfire Design 543 Brushwood Road North Haverhill, NH 03774 rapidfiredesign@hotmail.com 603-787-6803
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I'm surprised nobody has asked the obvious question. Why are junior high kids learning to operate that in the first place? They need to be learning math,language, history etc. They can learn to become a cheap-ass vinyl sign maker later, get involved with all kinds of things they don't know how to do, then come here looking for free help.
-------------------- Dennis Veenema The Sign Shop Dresden, Ont. but what do I know anyway...I've only been doing this for 20 years! Posts: 368 | From: Dresden, Ont.,CAN | Registered: May 1999
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As a graduate of a trade school and father of a 13 year old son in the 8th grade with a desire to learn computer graphics and painting skills and become a sign maker ( and who will be laying out some site signs for me later this morning, too), I can't even begin to tell you how offensive reading that was. Especially on this BB, which is so involved with passing on knowledge and experiences to younger members.
Howie, I have a full registered copy of Corel7 here that I don't use since updating. Please email me your address or call and I will be more that happy to send it to you at no charge for your students, along with anything else I can to help you out.
Dennis, I've met shallower puddles... Rapid
-------------------- Ray Rheaume Rapidfire Design 543 Brushwood Road North Haverhill, NH 03774 rapidfiredesign@hotmail.com 603-787-6803
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I just checked back on this post to see if I got flamed for something I said. Looks like this thread had the potential for blowing up.
I'd suggest we all just give Howie a break and hopefully someone here has an old program they can provide him. At middle school levels, about all the kids can expect is to get an idea of how things work and an overview of the craft. They wouldn't know much more in the end than the fact a plotter can cut out a letter in vinyl, regardless of where it fits in today's market. Thinking back to my junior high woodworking class, about all we actually got to work with was a coping saw and sandpaper. The instructor ran the big power equipment and all we got to do was watch. More than likely, the equipment was outdated at the time, too.
If Howie were a vo-tech instructor, I think he would be expected to be teaching on more current software and equipment. I'm not sure how school "equipment" gets loaned and lost, but that is a different issue. If he was using Anagraph programs, he has to have been in the sign trade for quite a while, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on his request.
Mike Jackson
-------------------- Mike Jackson Golden Era Studios Jackson Hole, Wy www.goldenstudios.com/ Posts: 390 | From: PO Box 7850 | Registered: Nov 1998
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Given Ray's young son & his genuine to pass the torch of knowledge, bothe to all of us here, & more specifically to his son, I can see where he took offense to Dennis's remarks... but I for one thought it was hilarious.
We always joke about the cheap plotters bringing more nitwits into competition (at least on price which still affects some of us) & we also joke about the ocassional stranger waltzing in here looking for handouts. I think this was an ideal thread (once Howie's own words sent it southward)to find some more gallows humor in both those common thorns in our collective sides)
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so I ****ed someone off! whoopee doo! I was going to sit here and type up a fancy response Ray but actually David Wright said it all. Oh and by the way I was once the 13yr old learning from his father...just make sure he learns more than how to work like a fool for minimun wages for the rest of his life.
-------------------- Dennis Veenema The Sign Shop Dresden, Ont. but what do I know anyway...I've only been doing this for 20 years! Posts: 368 | From: Dresden, Ont.,CAN | Registered: May 1999
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Every post the guy has made pertains to this software, a dongle for it or a combination there of and he usually wants to buy it,this time he wants a freebie.......ain't exactly gotta bring Johnnie Cochran in to figure out the story is fishy,shouldn't that be enuff right there?
-------------------- Gavin Chachere Plotter in the garage,New Orleans La.
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HAHAHAHA Gavin is on it... check out this guys recent posts! like this one a year ago next week...
quote:Originally posted by Howie: I've been using Anagraph DesignArt Pro version 3.5 (circa 1997?)for a few years now but as luck would have the security key (dongle) crapped-out... I don't want to spend big coin for an upgrade or new software as I like what my current software is capable of doing... anyone out there have a dongle for this software that they aren't using anymore? Will pay reasonable price! Thanks, Rob
Hey Howie, I don't know what you been smokin' but maybe this will ring a bell, solve a minor mystery, & maybe even get a former friend off your suspect list.
... Oh, wait you must mean this Anagraph DesignArt Pro version 3.5... I was thinking you meant thatAnagraph DesignArt Pro version 3.5... my bad.
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well the only really old crap i can contribute is a copy of LETTER ART 8.0 and dongle.....anyone interested.....you pay the shipping!!!!
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Oh yeah, ya cant keep him from doing what he does, you can only hope others are as bright as we are and ignore his requests. Next he will be asking us to do his signs for him. maybe he should go work for a quicky-sticky and steal from his employer. It seems he likes to try and steal from the honest hard working people by posing as a charitable cause.
May a thousand diseases infest your body you scumbag!!!
-------------------- Harris Kohen K-Man Pinstriping and Graphix Trenton, NJ "Showing the world that even I can strategically place the pigment where its got to go." Posts: 1739 | From: Trenton, NJ, USA | Registered: Jun 2001
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Please accept my apologies. Being a "rookie" here in Letterville, I'm more accustomed to seeing a smiley face next to humorous posts. Instead of reading it as such, as Doug pointed out, it appeared differently to me. (Thanks, Doug.)
I agree with you, David, and many others who have posted here that math, reading and writing take top spot in our kids' education. It would be pretty tough to do what we do if we couldn't spell a sign right or make it fit on a truck door...
Unfortunately, programs like wood and metal "shop", art, music and physical education continue to take the brunt of budget cuts in our school systems, literally being devalued, and teachers of those classes are continually being asked to "make do" with what they have.
In the context of this post, one thing that is well noted is that computer design software and equipment does not age well. As opposed to becoming a traditional tool of sign making, like brushes or paints, it only becomes obsolete with the passage of time.
As or the rest of this thread and the information on it since I originally posted, I eluded to how someone should accept the responsibilty for losing software and act accordingly. I'll throw that one back out to Howie and watch from the sidelines.
Rapid
Footnote: No worries, Dennis. My oldest, Michelle, age 18, is currently a student at Boston College School for Art. She earned her tuition and knows how proud I am of her. I'm sure she'll be teaching me a few things before long.
-------------------- Ray Rheaume Rapidfire Design 543 Brushwood Road North Haverhill, NH 03774 rapidfiredesign@hotmail.com 603-787-6803
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I am still learning to be a good student! Just a little input from my end. You have some excellent masters responding to this post, and you will benefit from listening to the technical advice they have rather than to prematurely jump to conclusions based on your immmediate perception and then act upon it with that response.
I, too, share with kids of different ages from time to time a little bit of layout and design, of the little that I know and remember. But, don't forget,we must always remain as students in our thinking in order to teach others effectively.
When I receive a response to my posts for advice, I am in awe and very flattered that they took time out of their busy lives to help me. Sometimes we don't focus on constructive criticism, nor, do we realize the magnitude of this favor that is being bestowed upon you.
These letterheads have valid points and your responses could have reflected some more tact and open-mindedness. We all get caught up in our immediate situations and yet, it is better to be a bit more polite when asking for years and years of their expertise. Also, this has brought some sorted comments from letterheads also, as we need get all the facts on the table. Good luck with your search.
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It is a time honored tradition to have a back up copy of all software somewhere. I back up every thing this important.. I wonder why a school program did not have backups???? If I remember right,, schools are notorious for back ups of every thing to the extreme...
And yes, my flopy disks of design art pro 3.5 are backed up onto a cd too.
I've been offered $200 bux for my dongle since I use corel now..
Oh yes, I did use corel to cut with my anagraph, they have/had a free driver on their website....
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He only wants the Anagraph software and we don't know enough about whatever sheister goings on to be offering anything else.
Besides, I think "Howie" will think your price is about $500 too high...
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
DrCAS Custom Lettering and Design Saint Cloud, Minnesota
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