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I've pretty much decided to bite the bullet and buy a new computer and I'm in the nerve-wracking research phase.
I've closely followed all of the threads lately that have suggested having one built and I'd be all over it but I don't know of anyone around here who does that and we won't be living here very long so I'd rather go with a big company so that I'm assured of being able to access customer service in the future.
Everyone is always saying - get a Dell! I agree, I have a Dell computer that I've passed down to my 6 year old daughter that is still plugging away after 15 years. My current desktop is a Gateway, 5 years old and is getting crankier by the day. I'm THIS CLOSE to throwing it in my neighbor's pool. My last attempts at getting customer service from Gateway were a joke, I'd never buy another one.
So, here's my question...I've been on the Dell website a lot this morning and I've also been on the Costco website that sells Dell computers. I looked at the Dell pre-configured system they have at Costco which came to $2199 plus $52 shipping and then I went over to the Dell site and put together the IDENTICAL system and it came to $2626 plus $99 shipping.
Am I missing something? They both give very detailed specs and I can't see anything that would justify it being that much cheaper at Costco except for their bulk buying power. Plus I get back a % from Costco because I have the Exec. Membership.
Any input from any of our resident computer people? Unfortunately, among my family and friends, I'm the resident computer geek so I have no one else to turn to.
It's an Intel P4 3.06GHz w/800 MHz FSB 120 GB hard drive 512 Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400 MHz 16X DVD Rom Drive 4X DVD+RW/+R Drive w/-CD-RW 18.1 Digital Flat Panel monitor Windows XP Pro with MS Office XP Pro Etc, Etc, Etc
I should say that I'm NOT a gamer, I download a lot of music, take a lot of digital pictures, burn CDs and spend way too much time on the internet.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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Thank you for the reply but there are PC people and there are MAC people and the last MAC I had I GAVE AWAY. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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1st off....computers are upgraded to keep the computer companies in business!!! newer, faster, more bells and whistles....apeals to people!!!! now that i said this.....1st thing you need to determine is HOW FAST DO YOU NEED TO BE...to do the work you want done? up until apr this year...i was running a 350 CYRIX computer(slow by todays std.)and it cranked out all the work i needed. i built a new 2100XP machine, because i wanted to....not that i needed it. isnt richard busta****** near you? he builds computers.......as for your question..yea the computer you have listed is top of the line.....how much money?
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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call dell directly...and talk to a sales person, tell them your findings and you'd be surprised what they'll knock off on price...i've bought 3 in the last 6 months...squeeky wheel gets the deal.
-------------------- Karyn Bush Simply Not Ordinary, LLC Bartlett, NH 603-383-9955 www.snosigns.com info@snosigns.com Posts: 3516 | From: Bartlett, NH USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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Hiya Kimberly, Speaking from recent experiences, Stay away from Dell! It sounds like you're buying a Porche when all you need is a Chevy. Save yourself some money. Head down to the library & look for a recent copy of Consumer Reports. They rated a lot of different computer companies and Gateway was rated #1 overall.
Havin' fun, Checkers
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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Yes, Richard is in CA but I believe up North - maybe 8 hours. Still worth a phone call. Thanks OP.
My biggest complaint about my computer is the freakin' thing crashes several times a day and no matter what I do, I can't figure out the problem. I tried upgrading to XP but was told by several different people that something or other in my system is just outside the upgradable range.
Believe it or not, the system I detailed is in the mid-range of everything I looked at but obviously, plenty for my needs.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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your present computer may just need an ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT....hehehehhehe...it might be worth while to buy a 2nd hard drive, have it fdisked/formated with WIN98SE. once you have that done you got a clean slate to start over with. take your present hard drive, configer it as your D: drive, and reload all you programs on to the new hard drive. with your old hard drive as your D: drive...you have all the info that was on it and you can bring it to the new h/d or leave it on the D: drive and use it from there....what is the processor speed you now have......you could do the above and save yourself $1000......and spend only $100 or so.......this will stop all the crashes.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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quote:what is the processor speed you now have......
woopps...I'm doing 3 things at a time and mis-read uyour post. It is 400 I believe, PII. I took it back to Gateway a year or so ago and they wiped it clean and reinstalled the system and all the drivers and it seems worse since then. I don't have the discs, they were corrupted when I tried to reinstall it myself.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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The spec sheet you showed on the Dell is quite a ways beyond what I had put together locally last November---with the exception of on board RAM. I had 1024 installed because I like the flight simulation programs, and they like their RAM.
A year ago last Christmas, we got a Dell for my wife; 1.6 GHz P4 etc. etc. and got the 3 year on site service contract. So far, it has been rock solid.
If you want to save a bit, and don't have someone locally to build you a unit, then maybe go for the next in line below the "top gun". Say a 2.4 or 2.8 GHz P4 processor, and otherwise the same specs you listed. I would stay away from the Celeron processors, though they may have gotten a bad rap when they first appeared. Something about an L2 cache.
I will get an argument from some on Win XP, but both of us have found it to be more stable than any earlier version of Windows.
As far as brands are concerned, it is a lot like the never-ending arguments between Fords and Chevys--- some like one and hate the other, and vice versa.
Regarding Macs--- there was something on the radio just this a.m. about a new release, and it is supposed to be faster than anything else out there. Probably priced accordingly.
FWIW, and hope it helps.
-------------------- Bill Preston Fly Creek, N.Y. USA Posts: 943 | From: Fly Creek, N.Y. USA | Registered: Jan 2000
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MAC has come out with the 1st 64 BIT PROCESSOR. the new G5. all pc's at this date a 16 bit,or 32 bit. siplest way to understand this is...look at a ninetedo,16 bit, super nintendo 32, now the x boxes/playstation are 64 or 128.....this will give you any idea of what a 64 bit computer will do. sorta like watchin an old curvered screen tv...and then lookin at HDTV!!!! kimberly...no sence messin with it bein only a 400. go for the new machine....give richard a call and compare prices....
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Yes, I saw the news on the new G5. Athlon is introducing a 64 bit processor soon. That said, all that will mean nothing to your needs Kimberly. Any computer built now is more than you will need. Get a reputable local to build a system for you.
On second thought, buy a Mac. It would really help the few Mac owners feel better about their purchases.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2785 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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What the computer companies don't tell you is that Windows XP can eat up 512mb of RAM all by itself quite regularly. They sell you this hot processor getting you to think your buying the best & the baddest.
I built my own machine (Athlon XP 2400 1gig RAM WinXP) & if I were to purchase one today from a corporation, I would avoid Dell, Gateway, Sony, Compaq, HP , you get the idea. These machines have too many proprietary parts and drivers that the companies do not provide adequate support for.
There are several, large, reputable PC manufacturures nowadays that build nice machines, with all name-brand hardware. CompUSA will build you a custom machine too. Depending on the location, you can get pretty good service there. This little hacker kid in the srvice department always does me right & often cuts me deals.
Good Hardware:
Motherboard: Abit, ASUS, A-Open, Gigabyte Hard-drive: Western Digital, Seagate RAM: Kinsington, Crucial (all of the companies have "value" RAM, do not use this) Video Cards: Abit, ATI Radeon, Visiontek
Stay away from HP perriferrals as their drivers are notorious for causing havoc.
I would seriously consider using a large part of my purchasing power to get as much RAM as possible! Windows XP is a serious RAM hog, BUT it is great at supporting large amounts of RAM as opposed to Win98 which wouldn't utilize much more than 256 very well.
Having lots of RAM goes along way to preventing all those crashes.
-------------------- Glenn S. Harris
....back in the sign trade full time. Posts: 293 | From: Baton Rouge, LA, USA | Registered: Jul 2001
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Thank you to everyone for their input and advice. I've gotten in touch with Richard B. and I think I'm going to have him build me one. I can get the monitor locally at Costco. My printer is fine and I have a fancy new cordless mouse and keyboard already. Love the mouse, not sure about the keyboard.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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Hi Glenn .. gotta disagree with you .. I've built many 'puters.. former life (when I had one) was electronic technicien for Xerox, but I simply can't put one together for the price I can buy a Dell. I've found them well built, well supported, and for the most part non-proprietory, unlike HP/ Compaq, IBM...
There's an art to shopping Dells,.. If you're looking for best bang for the buck I lean towards highest end 'dimension', 8300 or 8400 (or whatever its called this week). Dell rotates it's specials regularly, my favorite is when they let you double your memory & upgrade HD for Free.. I opt for a gig of ram, premium video card, base 48xcd reader, no dvd, no speakers... but then I'm using 'puters as workstations and don't need the frills. The 128meg memory stick is a nice replacement for floppy drive, but you will need a working floppy drive somewhere on the network... there's always someone dropping in files.. it's worth $30cdn .. If you already upgraded your old 'puter to 2000 pro I'd opt for xp home, and replace it as soon as the box arrives, if not I'd opt for xp pro. When you've configured the 'puter the way you like it, throw it in Dell's shopping cart and save it. You can then wait to see which special is 'flavour of the week' the following week, shopping card will expire, but you can usually get 2 weeks or so out of it.
Kimberly this is a good time to think about flat panel display; I'm tired of having an electron gun burning holes in the back of my eyes 8 - 10 hours a day; the new screens are much easier on the eyes.. A 17" flat is very nearly as big as a 19" crt
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Thanks Mike, the flat panel is a no brainer for me. Right now I have a Gateway 19" monitor that is the size of a small car. I can't wait to recoup the space on my desk. :-)
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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What no-one really asked is what you will be doing with it, however you did mention the downloading music & digital pics stuff. Since I know you are not running a signshop, & doing graphics all day your needs may differ from some of us. I will give you my opinion though to add to what's been said.
First, to get it out in the open... I am a COSTCOholic! I just bought my secone SONY VAIO computer there. I also get the 2% refund every year BTW. I also love, & take advantage of their "no questions asked" return policy. I bought a SONY laptop to travel to my daughters graduation in Austin last Dec. After taking it through 6 airports (R.T w/ stopover at my moms)& enjoying lots of use, I realized it did not really suit me needs. Costco will take it back for up to 6 months from date of purchase. I don't "borrow" stuff from them, but for all the thousands I spend there on tools, tires, food, furniture etc. i return when i need to return. A custom built machine is good for a signshop, but I think a VAIO is a perfect multimedia computer fro what you said you will be doing.
Fri. I got the last one of a machine I've had my eye on. It is now a "pending delete" item in their records & will n ot be re-ordered so i am glad I showed up when I did, because I bought it last month & had to return it before I even opened it to pay a contractor for a job that was a higher priority at the time, but yada yada yada anyway...
$1199 for Intel P4 2.66 GHZ processor, 512 mgs ram, 120 gig HD, DVD-RW burner, CD/DVD combo drive 6 USB-2 ports, front access I-link for video, & memory-stick for digital camera media, WXP home, keyboard, mouse & speakers.
The "wizards" these days make setting up DSL/modem, & network easy for us non-geeks. This package didn't come with a monitor though, my other Sony came with a nice flat screen, but it was a 2.0 gig for $2000, so I'll gladly just get my own for $350. It is a PCV-RX951, & if your costco may still have one, I'd reccommend taking a look at it , or any other Vaio they have.
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Doug, Sounds great but I didn't see any Sony stuff when I looked at Costco's site.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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Thanks, David. I know I really had that coming. Sorry guys, for my outburst suggesting there's more than one kind of computer out there. I'll try not to be so offensive in the future. I don't know what I was thinking.
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That's it ... we need a new forum .. throw all the macheads out of here, .. How dare they suggest the sun, the moon and the stars don't revolve around Bill Gates ... heresy..
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hi! Kimberly....yesterday your computer did the job so if you still have the same programs i don't know what's the idéa ..maybe you can try to clean it and defragg it and it's gonna be ok or if you wanna to put xp if you got enought memory maybe the first thing after five years is go to the company name of your board in the net and upgrade your bios ,your computer is suppose to be able to support xp but 98se did the job yesterday so if you buy a new hard drive please dont install from the cd..copy the cd to your drive and install it from your drive so you're not gonna need the win cd anymore ,separate your hard drive in sections copy in one and instal in another one....no more cd needs.....and tell it you want it to work it like a server(more faster)i've got a lot of computer here twelve in network...and never paid for a brand new one lol i'm just waiting that every maniacs upgrade theirs lol..lesss cost but great work......
-------------------- Steven Girard steven@lettragesgirard.com
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kim...tell richard to send the commision check.....hell get a chuckle outa that..
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Get hold of a hard drive imaging program like GHOST. Get a second hard drive. Put all data, My Documents, favourites, downloads, pictures etc on the second hard drive. Take the first hard drive and load all programs onto it and get it the way you like it, then run Ghost and save the image in the second drive. Later in the event of a stuff up or a system freeze, just run Ghost and copy a workable C drive back ontop of the bad one. If you upgrard or add programs, rerun ghost and save the updated uncorrupted image for a later repair. It saves a LOT of time compared with a reformat and reload of everything. Good luck.
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"...there are no limits when you aim for perfection..." Jonathan Livingston Seagull Posts: 7014 | From: Highgrove via Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia | Registered: Dec 2002
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Kim, I understand what you are going through with the computer crashes. Awhile back I posted that I thought that there was a new, undected virus or something out that was causing my computer to slow down. Someone sent me a link to the little program AS AWARE. I downloaded it and it worked somewhat to speed my puter up.
Recently my old 500mhz Dell started crashing and could only be convinced to work by restarting. Then a few days later my 2nd best puter (on the network), an HP, started the same thing. Nothing we did could get it unlocked except to re-start. Now, a few days later again, my laptop is doing the exact same thing. Its just too coincendental. I got on the Norton website and scanned all the computers from their website and found nothing on the Dell and HP. I did find LOVELETTER worm on my laptop.
I still think that there is slow moving virus (or something) out there that is so sneaky that it hasn't been detected
-------------------- Laura Butler Vision Graphics & Sign 4479 Welch Rd Attica, Mi 48412 Posts: 2855 | From: Attica, Mi, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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David, I was really trying NOT to jump in here but now that I'm invited, sort of..... Hve you checked out the new specs for the G5's? http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/jun/23pmg5.html ..and speakng of being invited. If you ever make it up to Traverse please give me a call and drop in. Kim, You gave away your Mac? ...and your windoz system crashe several times a day. Hmmm.. Don, Some times it's just better to sit on the sideling and smile. Personally, I really like not being dependent on Mr. Gates and owning the best hardware and OS to boot!
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1356 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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I organised and installed 2 Dell machines for a customer 4.5 months ago, at the time they cost 5.5k AUD So pleased with the first 2, the same customer decided he wanted another pair so I called and asked for a revised price. The new price was 4.6k AUD At this rate I estimate they will be giving them away in about 6 months, presumably if you purchase a tank of fuel or a mobile phone from a particular outlet. David
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-------------------- David Fisher D.A. & P.M. Fisher Services Brisbane Australia da_pmf@yahoo.com Trying out a new tag: "Parents are the bones on which children cut their teeth Peter Ustinov Posts: 1450 | From: Brisbane Queensland Australia | Registered: Nov 1998
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Bill, I don't know that anybody's noticed...but, I've been holding my posts in check for the last couple years. Every once in awhile those damn fingers just start typing anyway. Go figure.
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Thank you everyone for all the advice...Richard is building me a machine and I'm very excited about it. Details to follow.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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My provider of printed vinyl has a Mac with OS X. He said SEVEN months without a crash. Could you imagine that!
-------------------- Desire Rusovsky SDG Signs rue du Lac 24 1342 Le Pont Switzerland desire@sdgsigns.com http://www.sdgsigns.com Posts: 218 | From: Le Pont / Switzerland | Registered: Mar 2002
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Hey, I thought Bill Gates owned a little slice of Apple when they had troubles. I looked at the G5, 8 gigs of memory?!! I guess the nickname is the "Cheese Grater"? If only I waited a little longer, I just got a G4 dual processor a couple of months ago, though I am still using system 9. I'm ordering my Dell in a week or 2, still need the PC for AutoCad, Flexi and old Corel stuff before my switch. By the way, my G3 crashed at least once a week so, not everything is perfect in Apple Land.
Rick
-------------------- Rick Chavez Hemet, CA Posts: 1538 | From: Hemet,CA U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2001
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hey!Laura i know what you mean,recently i've got a new worm and it affect 7 of my computers it take the shared way ,and it's able to disable my northon so northon didn't saw it a had to proceed this way ..cut off all the shared section of all computers because this worm moove very fast by there and by direct connection cable net, so cut the net after i found a worm killer works by the dos so i take off northon, run the worm killer for each pc and after that everything was ok but what a job grrrrrr ...hate those virus makers ....
-------------------- Steven Girard steven@lettragesgirard.com
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As Doug mentioned, it's what you are going to do with it that should be the first consideration.
I picked up an HP 511w with a 1.2 MHZ processor, 128 RAM, Soundmax sound card, etc....right off the shelf at Wal-Mart. I later added an HP Scanjet 4200c scanner that I found at Office Max. It was a refurbished unit, but fully warranteed. Adding an HP CD burner later that was also refurbed and a Kodak DX 3600 camera brand new. This little unit has held up great at about $1200 total cost. WindowsXP preinstalled.
I use an old Compaq that I have upgraded a bit for the vinyl cutting and a laptop that I snapped up for $200 as a back up. Both are running Win98SE.
Not the fanciest, but cost effective and able to do the job that they were purchased for.
-------------------- Ray Rheaume Rapidfire Design 543 Brushwood Road North Haverhill, NH 03774 rapidfiredesign@hotmail.com 603-787-6803
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Have it custome built. There is just no better way to go. Start with what you can afford but make sure that you can upgrade as you can. I run only a 1.5 gig processory but I run with over a gig of ram and the new 9600 radeon graphics card with 128 mg of memory.
I'm a multi window user -- with 10-12 windows and 5 applications open at a time. So for me, ram and graphics are the trick.
Now I just upgraded another computer here with a better graphics card and the motherboard wouldn't handle it. I bought a new motherboard but the old processor still worked with it so I had them put that into the new board. It works like a charm.
I'm a computer user and I just want it to "work" but I have found time and again that having one built is better than buying what someone has to offer. You might get speed and such but what it really comes down to is the integrity of each comoponent.
Good luck...
-------------------- Roday Signage 37224 Military Rd. S. Auburn, WA 98002 daye@roday.com Posts: 20 | From: Auburn, Washington | Registered: May 2003
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Gotta agree w/Mike...Dell all the way! Sorry Checkers, I also have Gateway, had trouble w/my sign software conflicting. Now, my secretary uses it for accounting. I too am buying a new computer. It will be my fourth Dell. Great support and product. Even on-site repair is top shelf.
""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3485 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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Kimberly, This has probably already been said, but you should be very happy with a tech built computer that is not loaded with all the spyware, useless programing, and ram hogging utilities that comes with all the name brand units. As far as support, you will know them personally. I do believe that Norton Ghost is the most valuable utility out there, and the second hd for less than 100.00 will completely back up your system for any crashes. Just unplug it and keep it for a 100% backup. Run the program about every month to renew its programing. Good luck with your purchases.
-------------------- "Don't change horses in midstream, unless you spot one with longer legs" bronzeo oti Jack Davis 1410 Main St Joplin, MO 64801 www.imagemakerart.com jack@imagemakerart.com Posts: 1549 | From: Joplin, MO | Registered: Mar 2000
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Okay, I'm too excited! Richard B. just called and told me that my new computer is all up and running!!!!! WooHoo! This is gonna be great.
I also bought all the stuff I need to set up a wireless network betwen two of my desktops and my laptop so that I can share a cable internet connection.
This is like Christmas, my birthday and New Years all wrapped up in one.
-------------------- Kimberly Zanetti Purcell www.amethystProductivity.com Folsom, CA email: Kimberly@AmethystProductivity.com
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