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Is it the temperature or what ? Lotsa short fuses lately. Sometimes our feelings get the best of us and we get kinda stuck on something. Forgiveness works, on ourselves and on others. The more you do it the easier it gets. OK, that's my sermon. ( hey, you can always sue 'em for slander ! )
-------------------- Jim Upchurch Artworks Olympia WA Posts: 797 | From: Olympia, WA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I forgive that lowlife loudmouth scum-sucking bottom-feeding arogant SOB with too much attitude & too much time spent on too little to say, always embellished with BS and hogwash filler bloating every useless post.
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Forgiveness and trust are two different things. Forgiving someone doesn't mean that you trust them it just means that you have accepted the past and can move on. If you forgive someone that means you may be able to trust them if they change. If you don't forgive them then you can't trust them even if they do change.
-------------------- Jim Upchurch Artworks Olympia WA Posts: 797 | From: Olympia, WA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Real forgiveness does not depend on whether the other person is sorry or not, and we are not saying that something was right by forgiving: instead we free ourselves from negative feelings and the need for "revenge". It is not first of all a feeling but a choice. The feeling comes as a result of the choice.
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.....this is a positive topic! Forgiveness requires no futher action than the simple acceptance that human beings are fallible creatures...it's a constant reminder that I myself am not perfect either and need forgiveness as well...and often. To paraphrase a popular book: Them that gives it gets it...them that gets it ought'a give it!!
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"Look like a girl, act like a lady, think like a man, work like a dog" Posts: 5758 | From: "Sweet Home" Alabama | Registered: Mar 2003
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ok i forgive everyone for not sending me money.
-------------------- Jimmy Chatham Chatham Signs 468 stark st Commerce, Ga 30529 Posts: 1766 | From: Commerce, GA, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Jimmy...HaHaHa! Some of us owe you a debt of gratitude more than money. But I guess money's more fun to spend! And Jim, that's my point exactly...took me a while to figure out that you could forgive someone and still not trust them. That was a life lesson for me. IT IS all about freeing ourselves...and it is a choice that only we can make. Whatever choices we make they are ours and we have to live with the consequences. I choose to not let others negative choices get me down or influence me to make my own negative choices...
-------------------- Nancie W. Phillips White Dove Painting Studio 74 Dacula Road, Dacula, GA 30019 678-887-3339
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My perception of forgiveness is multifold. To forgive others is not a choice, it is a command within our consciences. We know it is right, but it is very, very difficult, and not easy to do most of the time. But, forgiveness is something learned through time also, however, a small child can do it innocently without regrets.
As adults, it is only impossible if we let it be. There should be no stipulation of basing the forgiveness on the other's behavior. True, it is more pleasant to do when our fellow human being is sorry or changes to what we desire they should be. But, that is not true forgiveness on our part. We must forgive others as our "Father" forgave us, unconditionally, and not on the premise that we are owed anything. Through that giving, then others will understand and learn also, and we are unconditionally giving to them a true gift.
Plus, if we wait for the other to come to our terms (even a little), then we have not in essence forgiven them at all. We need to run the whole mile without looking back to see if our wrongdoer is doing what we require.
When I was very young in the parochial school, my teacher told us that usually when we hate someone, we are most likely seeing a quality in them that we have been disgusted with in ourselves in the present or past. Think about it! Doesn't that sound familiar? And, just because I forgive someone does not mean that I need to associate with them on a daily basis either, but it makes life a lot cleaner and more enjoyable to get the sludge out of my mind and conscience, as it takes up a lot of gigabyte space!
My father used to make a great deal of side money for worrying for people! Ha! He was a card! He would charge all his friends and business associates for worrying for them each month. He would call once a month and let them know that "everything was taken care of", and thanked them for the check of thirty bucks in the mail. My dad had about fifty customers he did this for! Even though he had three of his own businesses going all the time. It's the same with forgiving, it sure takes an unneccessary load of your back, don't you think? And you're a better person for doing it, it takes a lot of self discipline, and practice, (of course). I hope that you try it on a daily basis, as it is the best gift you can give yourselves too.
And JIMMY, btw, my check's in the mail!!!lol
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-------------------- Deb Fowler
"It's kind of fun to do the impossible - Walt Disney (1901-1966) Posts: 5373 | From: Loves Park, Illinois | Registered: Aug 1999
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i had a break today so i thought i would look at what was happening. MY eye caught this subject.
to me forgiveness is being happy . knowin whats important , your family , your friends . every one has a right to happiness ..some just find it easier than others. its there all the time ... for those who don't seem to find it as easy ..sometimes ya just gotta help um, a smile, a joke , hell sometimes just leavin them alone. a buddist monk from tibet who i had the pleasure of install his land use sign for a monastery that was to be built ..was the nicest person i have ever met . He was a gentle giant. He was tall for a tibetan. i am six feet he was about six six. he told me that to forgive is easy ... to forget is the hard part.
i have to say since i have signed on the letterhead i have been delighted by the artist who give me vision. grateful for the suggestions that will make me a better sign person. love your kids
-------------------- sam kinnear stick um up signs redmond wa Posts: 93 | From: redmond wa | Registered: Jun 2003
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Hey Sam, that's four (count them ) breaks already ----===========================================
I'm smiling, and have nothing really much to add except I do link forgiving and forgetting in this way:
I have made great strides in forgiving what were really big transgressions towards me. But if I forget and let myself get hurt again (by the same people - in similar ways) then I become co-responsible.
It's a good and liberating thing to forgive, let's you move on without baggage. Not forgetting though makes you "smarter" and less trusting, and is your part in recognizing what happened and taking steps to protect yourself from injury. Sorry but true. That is the price those pay who hurt us, and whether they change or not, and re-earn the trust or not, has to do with the future, the choices we make and the chances we take considering all the factors we know.
Forgiving and forgetting are not linked to make a perfect package.....I think to lump them together can be self destructive and therefore dangerous.
-------------------- Myra A. Grozinger Signs Limited Winston-Salem, NC
signslimited@triad.rr.com Posts: 1244 | From: Winston-Salem, NC USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Bob, I think you hit on something interesting enough to pursue for a minute.
Any ideas on how to make a stupid idiot recognize he's a stupid idiot, ( and therefore more acceptable to you) without just labeling him as such from your perspective?
Who is the stupid idiot patrol who decides such things? And who would appoint the members?
Just wondering.
Because, I promise you, I am not alone in thinking some people are stupid idiots who are revered by others for their intelligence.
(Every single person on this Board, or its readers excluded - this is not personal - it is philosophical musing)
Go figure.
-------------------- Myra A. Grozinger Signs Limited Winston-Salem, NC
signslimited@triad.rr.com Posts: 1244 | From: Winston-Salem, NC USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hey, just a minute...What WOULD you do if someone crucified YOUR ONLY son?...Alot of the "how to" forgive someone is wrapped up in the answer to this question for me. Great point to ponder.
-------------------- Nancie W. Phillips White Dove Painting Studio 74 Dacula Road, Dacula, GA 30019 678-887-3339
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damm. I guess i am like the porta potty guy in the sign business. I do land use signs demo signs , construction signs. I make the land use signs very good to use over and over the demo signs go with the jobs as do the construction signs that tend to get added to with colorful pictures and words of wisdom. I like my area i dont have to deal with the public which i am sorry are a difficult bunch to please
-------------------- sam kinnear stick um up signs redmond wa Posts: 93 | From: redmond wa | Registered: Jun 2003
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Forgiveness requires no futher action than the simple acceptance that human beings are fallible creatures...it's a constant reminder that I myself am not perfect either and need forgiveness as well...and often. To paraphrase a popular book: Them that gives it gets it...them that gets it ought'a give it!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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