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Hello, Some of you may have already purchased the Corel 11 upgrade and might know the answer. Their web site lists Windows/Mac together on the product and an ad in Tiger Direct seems to imply Bitstream Font Navigator is included for Windows and Font Reserve is included for Macs. In fact, both platform logos are on the box in the photo, too.
So, if you buy the upgrade, will it upgrade both a licensed previous user of the Mac version AND a licensed previous user of the PC system?
Please post the info here if you know for sure one way or the other.
Thanks in advance, Mike Jackson
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-------------------- Mike Jackson Golden Era Studios Jackson Hole, Wy www.goldenstudios.com/ Posts: 390 | From: PO Box 7850 | Registered: Nov 1998
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now that sounds like one of them..."to good to be true deals" both corels for either mac or pc in one box....if you got a mac and a pc you can get 2 programs for the price of one!!!!!!!
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From reading the contents on the side of the box, it would appear Corel would handle both platforms. Instead of Font Navigator it provides Font Reserve for Mac. The 10,000 clipart collection is mostly new stuff..the reference is finally put in a lay flat ring bound book. I was having some glitches in Corel 10...upgrading to 11 seems to have cleared them up. Photo-Paint now has a Cut-out tool to quickly mask complex objects..not a lot of new features, but from what I read they have focused on stabilizing the program.
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Hi again, Well, my Corel Upgrade box came in. I just tried installing the Mac version, but it has a minimum of System 10.1. I guess it won't install on my System 8 machine.
I don't think I want to go through all that hassle to get it updated on the Mac.
Hopefully the Windows version will go on smoothly.
Mike Jackson
-------------------- Mike Jackson Golden Era Studios Jackson Hole, Wy www.goldenstudios.com/ Posts: 390 | From: PO Box 7850 | Registered: Nov 1998
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Good luck with it Mike. I'd love to hear what you think about it. I'm currently running ver.9 and knock on wood, have had no problems with it. Ver.11 would have to have some pretty good enhancements to justify yet another Corel upgrade cost of $200. being that I started with Ver.1
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Hi Bob, I started with version 1.0 also and stayed with it until about version 3. I'm not a big CorelDraw user now, but I thought upgrading two programs for the price of one would be worth it. I have verson 6 on the Mac, though I don't recall ever using it. I probably won't be using 11 on the Mac either, knowing it requires one of the higher system revisions. I was still on version 9 on the PC, and I sometimes need the newer file converters for customer supplied files.
The upgrade was $225, but it included a Wacom USB tablet, stylus, and mouse ($99 value), so I went ahead and paid the upgrade fee. I haven't hooked up the little tablet yet, but it looks cute. I already have a 12 x 12 tablet that I use for on screen digitizing.
I won't be of much help giving a review of the program this time! Others use it much more than me.
Take care, Mike Jackson
-------------------- Mike Jackson Golden Era Studios Jackson Hole, Wy www.goldenstudios.com/ Posts: 390 | From: PO Box 7850 | Registered: Nov 1998
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Question about the hybrid nature of the distribution CD since I haven’t received my upgrade as of yet. How does the license agreement “legally” address usability on two platforms with “one” licensee? And this is asked with sincerity and not for a ball busting session.
Can you legally install it on two platforms at once? Can it be used on both platforms simultaneously, or is it treated like a book, one or the other but not at the same time. Or is none of the above and only allowed on one machine and platform period. Or something completely different?
I’ve been “toying” with getting a Mac machine due to “business” reasons for a little while now and have looked into other software manufactures licensing regarding this issue, but not Corels.
Thanks in advance to anybody that looks into it and provides some insight.
-------------------- Bob Gilliland InKnowVative Communications Harrisburg PA, USA
"The U.S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself." Benjamin Franklin Posts: 642 | From: Harrisburg, PA, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hi Bob, I can't install it on my Mac because of the system requirements, so I didn't get to cross that bridge. So far, I haven't installed it on the PC, but the license agreement must be part of the installation process. I looked through the pile of papers and in the user's guide for the license and didn't see it.
Since I had previously licensed versions on both platforms, I really never thought much about it, but there are probably restrictions. Maybe someone else will have found the licencse agreements. I'd be interested, too.
Mike Jackson
-------------------- Mike Jackson Golden Era Studios Jackson Hole, Wy www.goldenstudios.com/ Posts: 390 | From: PO Box 7850 | Registered: Nov 1998
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quote: but the license agreement must be part of the installation process. I looked through the pile of papers and in the user's guide for the license and didn't see it.
Appears this is becoming the standard operating procedures (sop) now a days. It was bad enough when it was under “shrink wrap”, but now that it has moved to “click wrap” makes it that much more “user unfriendly”. I realize most people never read a EULA, let alone understand it, and that statement is aimed not only at the consumer level, but the manufacture as well.
Case in point; ever call a company to return software because you didn’t agree with the EULA? First issue that arises is the fact that the media has been “opened”. Then a few transfers to get someone that even knows what a “license” is, then a few more to get someone that has some intellect to discuss the issue. Somewhere in the conversation it is usually stated that “that is not our intent” which I promptly follow up with “…but your giving yourselves the legal right to, intended or not…”. Could save both parties time and money if they made the EULA available at the POS or before. But then again, more and more EULA’s are no longer “static” after the “purchase” anyway.
On a positive note, it does appear the tide is finally turning for solid and stable code. I am under the impression that a higher percentage of end users still want “new features” over “stability”, but those numbers are narrowing day by day. Perhaps it took a little bit of “tight money” situations in the last few years for people to see the value in "stability" over "bells and whistles". The remarks about CD 11 on the other post are just one of many being echoed throughout the entire industry. I say, its about time!
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-------------------- Bob Gilliland InKnowVative Communications Harrisburg PA, USA
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Well, here I ago again. Sometimes my head just doesn’t feel right unless I’m … …, so with that in mind….
For the few that have followed this thread and the even fewer that give a crap about ELUA and the law, here are some selected excerpts from the ELUA that YOU HAVE AGREED TO BEFORE CorelDraw 11 was installed on your machine. If anybody has trouble falling asleep at night and desires to read the entire license, you can find a copy on the CD. It’s located in the root directory and titled license.txt.
And for the never ending “clipart” debate; I think the document makes it clear on Corel’s desire with THEIR OWN or THEIR LICENSED clipart, fonts, etc.
Happy reading!!
Excerpts Only!!!
1.2 YOU MAY: (i) install and use one copy of the Product on a single computer. You may also make and use a second copy of the Product on a home or portable computer provided that copy is never loaded in the RAM of the home or portable computer at the same time it is loaded in the RAM of the primary computer; (ii) also store or install a copy of the Product on a storage device, such as a network server, used only to install or run the Product on your other computers over an internal network; however, you must acquire and dedicate a license for each separate computer on which the Product is installed or run from the storage device. A license for the Product may not be shared or used concurrently on different computers; (iii) make one copy of the Product for archive or backup purposes; (iv) if this Product includes Clipart and/or Photo Images, use the Clipart and or Photo Images only if you comply with the terms set out in the Corel Guidelines for the Use of Clipart and Stock Photo Images in Section 2 below; (v) except in the case of Academic and OEM edition Products which are non-transferable (see Academic Version Addendum and OEM Version Addendum to this License), transfer the Product to someone else only if you assign all of your rights under this License, cease all use of the Product, erase or destroy any copy (including the hard disk copy) made in support of your use of the Product, and ensure that the person to whom you wish to transfer the Product agrees to the terms of this License; (vi) if you have purchased this Product as an upgrade of either a Corel product or another vendor's product, you may continue to use your upgraded product with this Product. If you transfer this Product, you must either transfer the upgraded product at the same time you transfer the Product or destroy the upgraded product at the same time you transfer the Product. If the Product you have purchased is an upgrade of a Corel product, you now may use that upgraded product only in accordance with this License; and (vii) use only one (1) of the language versions if the Product provides you with a selection of multiple language versions.
1.3 YOU MAY NOT: (i) use the Product or make copies of it except as permitted in this License; (ii) translate, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Product except to the extent the foregoing restriction is expressly prohibited by applicable law; (iii) rent, lease, assign, or transfer the Product except as set out in Section 1.2 above; (iv) modify the Product or merge all or any part of the Product with another program; (v) redistribute the fonts or sound files included with the Product; (vi) separate the component parts of the Product for use on more than one computer; and if this Product is OEM: (vii) use or copy the Product if you received the Product as a standalone. The Product must be purchased in conjunction with the Corel approved partner products or services described in the Warning located on the Product storage media.
2. COREL GUIDELINES FOR THE USE OF CLIPART AND STOCK PHOTO IMAGES: Corel products contain numerous clipart and photo images (collectively referred to as the "Images") which are either owned by Corel or licensed from a third-party. As a user of Corel products you are free to use, modify and publish the Images as you wish subject to the restrictions set out below. If you are uncertain as to whether your intended use is in compliance with the Guidelines set out below, we recommend that you seek the advice of your own attorney or legal counsel. Corel will not provide you with an opinion as to whether your use is in compliance with these Guidelines.
2.1 YOU MAY, subject to any restrictions set out below: (i) incorporate any Image(s) into your own original work and publish, display and distribute your work in any media; provided you include a copyright notice in your work reflecting on the copyright ownership of both you and Corel as follows:
"Copyright (c) 200__ [your name] and its licensors. All rights reserved." You may not, however, resell, sublicense or otherwise make available the Image(s) for use or distribution separately or detached from a product or web page. For example, the Image(s) may be used as part of a web page design, but may not be made available for downloading separately or in a format designed or intended for permanent storage or re-use by others. Similarly, clients may be provided with copies of the Image(s) (including digital files) as an integral part of a work product, but may not be provided with the Image(s) or permitted to use the Image(s) separately or as part of any other product; and (ii) make one (1) copy of the Image(s) for backup or archival purposes.
2.2 YOU MAY NOT: (i) create scandalous, obscene, defamatory or immoral works using the Image(s) nor use the Image(s) for any other purpose which is prohibited by law; (ii) use or permit the use of the Image(s) or any part thereof as a trademark or service mark, or claim any proprietary rights of any sort in the Image(s) or any part thereof; (iii) use any of the Images related to identifiable individuals or entities for any commercial purpose or in a manner which suggests their association with or endorsement of any product or service; (iv) use the Image(s) in electronic format, on-line or in multimedia applications unless the Image(s) are incorporated for viewing purposes only and no permission is given to download and/or save the Image(s) for any reason. (v) rent, lease, sublicense or lend the Image(s), or a copy thereof, to another person or legal entity. You may, however, transfer all your License to use the Image(s) to another person or legal entity, provided that (i) you transfer the Image(s) and this License, including all copies (except copies incorporated into your work product as permitted under this License), to such person or entity, (ii) that you retain no copies, including copies stored on a computer or other storage device, and (iii) the receiving party agrees to be bound by the terms and conditions of this License; and (vi) use any Image(s) except as expressly permitted by this License.
-------------------- Bob Gilliland InKnowVative Communications Harrisburg PA, USA
"The U.S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself." Benjamin Franklin Posts: 642 | From: Harrisburg, PA, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I think Microsoft has the copyright on "Ha ha ha" since that is what Mr. Gates utters everytime we have to fork out more dollars for an upgrade to make Windows work like advertised.
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5107 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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