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Sam Staffan
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I am trying to figure out this panel, I have done a quick overlay of it to see if it helps. Have no idea on what language it may be. Any help would sure be grateful.


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Sam Staffan
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GERMAN??? would be my 1st guess.... or galic...

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The first word might be Melhuis which looks like a surname when plugged into in a quick Google search.....

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Sam Staffan
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This was brought up from one of our Shipwreck dives and we are just trying to figure it out. Thanks for the help..

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Sam Staffan
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Dale Feicke
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I'm wondering if that first word isn't Mathias?

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Whatever it is, it has to get a ribbon for one of the most fascinating posts in awhile. Any possibility of more details about where it was found? Thanks.

[ October 09, 2014, 10:46 AM: Message edited by: James Donahue ]

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Yes I have a bit more info. I am a diver, and this was brought up off of one of our Shipwrecks. The wreck sank in 1868 and is 160' to bottom . By matching the nail holes to the other boards found this is what we have. I think it may me a drawer, also note the black stain marks (inside corner), this could be ink stain. The second pic is a Macro shot of the stain and we think the ink stain is "Iron Gall Ink" because of the microscopic pellets.

We do know it is Not German.


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Sam Staffan
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I googled "Mathias" and 'shipwreck" and little came up. I think it suggested the word "invictus"?
Where was it pulled from?

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Shirley read my post above yours. It came from the shipwreck "Persian"

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Sam Staffan
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Here in L.A. I would say it's "Gang Member" extended!

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Dale Feicke
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I think it would be 'Gang Member Extended' in most areas, Bob.

Hey Sam....could it not also be possibly 3 sides of a box? And I'm thinking, based on the "logo", the second word would probably start with an "R"?

I'm jealous, Sam. I've loved diving since I was a kid. I've studied about Dimitri Rebikov and Jacques Cousteau's work, over the years. But I've never actually "dove"..."dived"...."diven".... I'm not really sure I'd want to go to 160 feet! though.

[ October 10, 2014, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: Dale Feicke ]

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Hi Dale, There is always time to drop into the water. [Smile] It could be a box, it could be anything...Just trying to find out what says. Name, business etc.????

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OK, next questions......

What do you know about the "Persian"? American? Foreign? Is that the full name? What body of water was it found in? (fresh?...salt?) Did it stay in that body of water, or go to sea?(...when it was still afloat, that is...)

Where did whoever lettered that box (or whatever) learn to "letter"? [Smile] [Smile]

[ October 10, 2014, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: Dale Feicke ]

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I think that it's probably the earliest advertisement in Latin, for a stain removal product:

" Mr. Clean gets out the toughest stains "

Wink...Wink!

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Here is some info Dale. It has been noted that the Center could also be "M I R' not just "MR".

[ October 11, 2014, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: Sam Staffan ]

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Sam Staffan
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Again trying to keep this "Font or Word" related not about diving. I am just curious to what it says.

The Stern and ships wheel shot of the Wreck.
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[ October 11, 2014, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Sam Staffan ]

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So, this boat was chased down and rammed by another vessel!!?? Could it have been a business competitor? An act of piracy? Wow!

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Dale Feicke Grafix
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Interesting

A linguistics department at a university may be able to help you or at least point you to someone who can.

[ October 12, 2014, 12:44 AM: Message edited by: Kelly Thorson ]

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With the help of all and my latest from Joy, we have found a direction. Melhuish Machinery, London.

I think the MR is " Melhuish Richard.


http://toolemera.com/catpdf/melhuish1925CAT.pdf


Need to figure out the bottom

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Sam Staffan
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Well done - looks just right, so far!

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What an incredible tool catalog. Looks like they carried just about every tool made in the late 1800's.

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Must be loads of fun diving for buried treasure...great story unraveling the history...great to see stories that show other interests and hobbies that our fellow signmakers might have.

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IT HAS BEEN 146 YEARS, TO THE DAY ( TODAY ), THAT THIS SHIP SANK......VERY, VERY INTERESTING TOPIC.....THANKS, SAM, FOR BRINGING IT UP TO THIS FORUM.


RD

By the way, their tool catalog contains an absurd amount of very interesting tools. Some of which we,still, use in the carving trade....Outstanding!!

[ October 16, 2014, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: Ricardo Davila ]

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Wow Ricard! Thanks for bring that to my attention. A month ago today. I know your a few hours behind Michigan but not a Month. [Rolling On The Floor]


Been so involved with trying to solve this that I never focused on the date.

And yes, we are still trying to make out the bottom line copy.

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Also found this info: IN the Merchant Shippers of London, Liverpool and Manchester 1868:
http://books.google.com/books?id=atwNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA217&lpg=PA217&dq=mehuish+machine+1868&source=bl&ots=nkH24UmyQo&sig=nV040Xc7jdpt4CeAkbuwdLUsdL8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IYpAVJPpIMjw8QG2ioHgCQ&ve d=0CCYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=mehuish%20machine%201868&f=false

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Lincoln, NE

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but I can't figure out the plot."

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