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When people talk about making window splash on Tyvek, are they talking about the stuff at Lowe's? Or the stuff I used to get years ago at a sign supply place? Thanks.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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Tyvek is a white material with random long fibers in it. Very strong and lasts well. Lightweight and very usable for banners and splashes. The biggest problem is that it does take fluoro enamel a long time to set up -AND- it wrinkles the stuff, causing at least a day of dry time in between color changes...very frustrating, especially when outlining is needed. I have seen these used by somone else where they must have used a latex based fluoro as there were no wrinkles. I usually coat it out with white latex and then coat with the fluoro.
Time wise, it takes up to four times longer to do a splash on Tyvek, compared to simply doing it on the outside windows.
I did one that I suspended with brass eyelets on a cable some 150 foot long in 2 long sections, either side of the double front doors. The reason was that they could not use it during the week with the city's regs, but on Saturday they had a PT Cruiser or Mini-van Sale. The first section was interchangeable with the PT or Mini. I recall there were four different first sections all together. 4 separate cables for each one. It worked for maybe three years, until they remodeled the storefront. They worked just like drapes and I made some little 2x4" double thick dibond pieces that I drilled into the aluminum mullions to install the perpindicular ends for the stainless cables. Worked like a charm and were tight as a drum, 75' long on each side.
Naturally, I had to buy one extra roll of the Tyvek to get the one last section which left me with 75' of the stuff (54"). Finally, I had another splash on the inside that I used up all of the stuff. I do not try to sell these anymore s they take too long to do and prefer banner paper for the inside jobs.
N. Glantz and Son, Inc. does sell some pre-coated fluoro paper that works great and you save the time and material expense of having to coat out big areas of the expensive fluoro enamel. Used it many times. It is a little heavier than banner paper but looks great. I used it just like painting a window, but it is more opaque than banner paper.
I found a better grade of paper roll a couple of years ago that is heavier than banner paper they use in digital printing. White and has some plastic coating on it that helps with strength. Can't remember what brand or how much it was, but an interesting material.
-------------------- Preston McCall 112 Rim Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 text: 5056607370 Posts: 1552 | From: Santa Fe, New Mexico | Registered: Nov 1998
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Maybe Craig Sjoquist will see this and chime in. I know he has some unique ways of doing Splashes.
-------------------- Sam Staffan Mackinaw Art & Sign 721 S. Nokomis St. Mackinaw City, MI dstaffan@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1694 | From: Mackinaw City, MI | Registered: Mar 2004
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My 2 cents worth & excuse will have to make 3 or 4 posts cause my WiFi did not let me upload the last one were I explain it all after typing a 1/2 hour grrrrr lol
Tyvek works great paint with water base ONLY & use double sided banner tape cut in 1" squares, several at corners & curves.
This maybe the best for cold weather installs compared to the vinyl method I use.
Problem is it might peel up in spots & it sorta looks winkled which may or not be a concern with customers for cold weather installs maybe only way.
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Yes Pierre Tardif use Tyvek with good success 1st seen it in 2000 in Signcraft & he inspire me to try, instead of painting on glass.
So after Tyvek I went to white vinyl mask because of previous problems mentioned.
I tried white Static cling next, this was also great, paint in shop & apply except it also curled up & faster then Tyvek grrr lol
About that time also I tried Accugraphaics white vinyl mask 4ft X 150 rolls but had to paint on site & found 2ft rolls was much easier to install, cause in the wind it would stick to it self & not easy to separate.
This method for me turned out best cause people would see me painting & ask for signs plus available locally anytime at a cost of $100 per 2ft roll
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Next one I liked alot was Exac-tac comes in both white & clear..But had to order from Texas & a 2 week wait, Cost was over $200 for a 54" X 150 ft roll. This one is very easy to install even at 54" it does not stick to self well for windy days.
Have not tried painting in shop with it & installing on site nor cold weather installs, mainly because of availability for me.
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Next is one that works well for painting in shop & applying on site, & can be painted with any paint then clear coated, install cost a bit over $200 for a 4ft X 150ft roll & a wait to receive for me.
Avery transit white vinyl MPI 2121-It might come in clear also cold weather install it will crack so being careful of course the reason I mentioned clear vinyl to install inside & after painting message back with white paint.
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Almost forgot your Tyvek question of where to get & which kind.
Even though the type ya get at a Lowes has Tyveks brand on back it is the same type & weight that works & you probably can get that as white on both sides at at a sign supply but does not know where.
I order mine from Tyvek & it is available in several grades or thickness, forgot the sizes available & cost.
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Thanks. Right now, I'm using up an old roll of 30 inch black vinyl. Pretty big roll, so old that the tack has diminished to the point that it handles well in these situations. What's weird is that somebody left it in front of the shop I used to have in the little nearby commercial district. No note, just this big roll of vinyl, and a few smaller ones. I scruff and clean the vinyl, then draw the letters on with a white china marker. Then, I go around the letters with a redish-carmine colored Sharpie marker. Next, I spray a coat of Rustoleum's Painter's Choice 2X coverage white spray paint. Awesome coverage, good dry time. Then color, outline, and clear coat. I'm going to make a separate post about the marker. Thanks again Craig for all your tips; I saw your comments late last night at another forum, and had pretty much decided to go with vinyl after reading that. Just as soon as I use up this black.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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Years ago when it first was made, a salesman gave me a big roll to try out. It lasted for years and we had no problems with it. Now years later it has many uses including covering new construction on homes.
-------------------- Bill Riedel Riedel Sign Co., Inc. 15 Warren Street Little Ferry, N.J. 07643 billsr@riedelsignco.com Posts: 2953 | From: Little Ferry, New Jersey, USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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When I used to paint the ice for the Tampa Bay Lightning the patterns we got from Jet-Ice were Tyvek. The ones I made were butcher paper. The only problem with the Tyvek was you had to put weights on it to keep it in place while pouncing, the paper you just dampen it on the corners with your fingers and freeze it to the ice.
-------------------- Dennis Goddard
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