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Cd I get comments on these for putting on your oil brushes when storing them away, for a few days or much longer?
Baby oil. Lard oil Vaseline Others?
Which can be washed out easily, using what, and w/o leaving any residue?
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i use motor oil 30 weight, it cheep!..i have used lard oil but for a long storage it can dry out. baby oil is to thin i think and no to Vaseline. i would try all of them to see what you like..if you don't like it wash it out and try some thing else. i use three washes. 1 is to get the bulk of the paint out...whipe first it will save your spirits. the second gets more out and the last it will help you get the last of the paint out of your heal. if you use a cloths pin( the wood kind) you can suspend the brush it the spirits and the paint will with gravity come out. always spin your brush to get the spirits out before moving on the the next was and just before you put oil in to store.
when you get a new brush pack the heal with oil first before you use it and it will keep the paint out of that area and increase the life of your brush and keep the hairs from falling out!
Lovelady
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DK. Walldog oil is good because it lacks the "additives" that over the shelf earl has. i tried trans, but if you have good brushes.....well , enough said. laying them flat @ a slight angle ( i use a paint paddle, doubled up ) to keep oil from migrating up the handle.....they will stay for months...and even longer. no problem. it's good to work the oil into the ferrule with your fingers if you plan or letting them idle for a while.
san franc.-went there 3 years ago on way 2 Lodi meet....that B2B run was a blast ! i did it sober, with a pirate boat we pushed...but i was definetly in the minority ! the bay2 breakers....you know....NorthBeach...best pizaa on the coast huh ? take care. ( the rookie from Marhhrlan' )
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Lard oil being a natural product has no negative effects on ANY paint if not completely cleaned out of brush, unlike any petroleoum products...
Joey has address on place in Texas that sells ultra-sonic cleaners, it's Lone Star...but my copy of address is buried in a warehouse 500 miles away, so Joey will have to provide that info.....best way to go regardless of oil used to preserve...If done right, dry storage is a term you will become familiar with.....
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Years ago I was at Tom Kelly's shop and saw he had drilled holes in a piece of wood and had the brushes stored vertically so that the oil would run into the heel .....
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Well, after all these years I have decided to admit that I know absolutely nothing about brushes, paint, solvents or oil and as a matter of fact, I have never in my life been a pinstriper or vehicle artist, I have however attended some meets and found the persons to be real nice. I am just an ol'dude who needs friendship and loved to surf on my computer and stumbled across this site years ago by accident looking for a porn site called betterhead. With this all said, I hope you accept my apologies for giving information I either read about or actually experimented with just to learn what it was that the answer could be, I know that over the years I could have done something with my life like paint purty pictures or done some design work on a piece a' wood.
As far as the ultrasonic cleaner, I got mine at Lone Star technical in Dallas Texas its called the Blue Boy and works real good, they are expensive but so were my dentures and it cleans them up real well As far as oil I tried using Neatsfoot oil, Neatsfoot Oil is often used to oil Sign writers brushes that have been used in oil based paint as this oil is non drying and can be easily washed out with solvent at any time. By oiling the brushes it reduces the build up of pigment in the ferrule, the metal part that many brushes have to hold the hairs in place. Hey listen to this, Neatsfoot oil is a yellow oil rendered and purified from the shin bones and feet (but not the hooves) of cattle. "Neat" in the oil's name comes from an old name for cattle. Today, many consider the best quality neatsfoot oil to be that which comes from the legs of calves, with no other oils added. To tell you the truth, I rarely use any kind of oil and that's because I rarely leave paint inside the ferrule which is the reason persons use oil.
Outside of the oil part, I get all this information from reading, surfing or past experiments which keeps me problem free but since I no longer work, I guess its just that I remember too much of what it was that I done most of my live and will add that I really don't care what Kelly, Warner or Johnson uses as long as my Johnson isn't touched in the process
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Well, it looks like there's a lot of differing opinions on this subject.
I wd hesitate using an ultrasonic device on them. The dentist uses one because it removes plaque faster than a steel pick does. Wdnt it do in the glue that holds the hairs in the ferrule?
What kind of glue is that anyway? I've been using a quick bath of acetone to get the last of the paint out of a brush but I worry about the acetone attacking the glue.
-------------------- dennis kiernan independent artist san francisco, calif, usa Posts: 907 | From: san francisco, ca usa | Registered: Feb 2010
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Acetone!!!! and you're worrying what an ultrasonic cleaner would do? Lets set the story straight, I been using an ultrasonic cleaner for my brushes and other tools going on 40+ years with great results but I would never use acetone on my brushes unless I wanted to dry them out for good. The glue at this point is irrelevant because glue maybe inside the ferrule and the ferrule is what holds the hair in place, even with the string on Mack swords although that does not stop the hair from falling out of Mack brushes any way you look at it. Problems these days are that most things that can be accomplished isn't because it isn't cost effective for some manufacturers and that's why I choose my brushes carefully. I choose metal ferrules as well as real quill on the brush and leave string ferrules to the masses of newbies. All this reminds me of why I've actually driven myself crazy, the art of perfection
Edited to add: I do not oil the brushes I have in my kit and I'll explain why. Brushes come from the manufacturer with sizing in them, sizing could be anything waterbased such as the richness the bottom of a coffee pot with coffee and water of course. Brushes been shipped like this for years and removing the sizing by holding the brush under your kitchen faucet using warm water does the trick after which I sandwich the brush between two pieces of foam rubber in my kit to hold its shape. After I use my brush I throw it in the ultrasonic vertical brush facing down for a couple minutes, this drains the paint from inside the ferrule and this my friend is why I do not oil my brush. Oil is used by skeptics who neither clean their brushes properly or who have never learned the the use of what an ultrasonic can do for them, either way this is my choice and has been for many years as I have turned more people onto my proven ways of taking proper care of their tools as well as a safer environment in which to work in.
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joey please forgive my ignorance but i would like to have one of those cleaner and did a Google search for it with no luck...could you post the link that you are referring to?
Lovelady
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If you Google ultrasonic cleaners you get a jillion hits. Ranging from little things for $30, for jewelry and eyeglasses, up to 40-gallon tubs for rifles and car engine parts, for several thousand.
Joey, what kind of thing do you use? Does the whole brush go in, or just the working end?
-------------------- dennis kiernan independent artist san francisco, calif, usa Posts: 907 | From: san francisco, ca usa | Registered: Feb 2010
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Dennis, a 2 quart stainless steel tub with a timer, no heater is necessary as the solvents will heat themselves. Mine is from Lone Star technical in Texas Phone: 210-651-4006, called the blue boy. Honestly, you can follow Joe C's links as the units shown look like a good quality. The reason I like Lone Star is because they repair these units and mine has lasted 15 years so far, lost my previous one in a move.
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Ya means that the gallon of Boiled Linseed oil I bought at a yard sale ain't for brushes? It had a picutre, on the back of the ca,n showing a guy putting it on his brushes.
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Probably prepping an ol'sign that might had failed due to moisture and brushing on the Linseed oil mixed with turps for the cure Old sign trick........
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Upon the advice of an "old timer" years ago, we started oiling them with automatic transmission fluid. This many years later, I still use it. Not the new stuff, but the old type A that's been around forever.
I've got brushes that are more than 15 years old, and still in good shape. Working the ATF into the heel of the brush keeps any paint that may get into the ferrule from drying and makes it easy to remove the next time the brush is cleaned.
As obviously seen above, there are many ways to store brushes that work...mine's probably not the best....but it's worked to my satisfaction for a lot of years.
I haven't established a personal relationship with any of my brushes for all these years; doubt I will in the future. I take care of them; but they're a tool...they wear out and need to be replaced periodically. That may be why animals shed.
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Dale, I have brushes that I think of as family members. I do have a relationship with them. I have others that are just tools, and some that should have been tossed long ago but have enough history hold my respect.
As far as I know the detergent in ATF is the problem.
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As far as oil I tried using Neatsfoot oil, Neatsfoot Oil is often used to oil Sign writers brushes that have been used in oil based paint as this oil is non drying and can be easily washed out with solvent at any time. By oiling the brushes it reduces the build up of pigment in the ferrule, the metal part that many brushes have to hold the hairs in place. Hey listen to this, Neatsfoot oil is a yellow oil rendered and purified from the shin bones and feet (but not the hooves) of cattle. "Neat" in the oil's name comes from an old name for cattle. Today, many consider the best quality neatsfoot oil to be that which comes from the legs of calves, with no other oils added. To tell you the truth, I rarely use any kind of oil and that's because I rarely leave paint inside the ferrule which is the reason persons use oil.![[Bash]](graemlins/bash.gif)
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