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I have a guy that brought me a 3x4' canvas piece (like for Oil painting) and wants me to paint it Biege and paint his simple Windmill logo on it in Black.. This is out of the norm for me.. What should I use for the Biege? Do i need a special paint? it's raw canvas.. Am I over thinking it?
-------------------- Gonzalo Curiel Peewee Signs & designs Oroville Ca 95965
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I think you could use one shot on it like any other substrate..... maybe put a coat of gesso on first to seal it....
-------------------- Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass... It's about learning to dance in the rain ! Jim Moser Design 13342 C Grass Valley Ave. Grass Valley, Ca. 95945 530-273-7615 jwmoser@att.net Posts: 488 | From: Grass Valley, Ca. | Registered: May 2006
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Prine with acrylic gesso, then paint acrylic latex biege. letter with 1 shot or any water base paint. I'd use flat black like water base acrylics.
-------------------- John Arnott El Cajon CA 619 596-9989 signgraphics1@aol.com http://www.signgraphics1.com Posts: 1443 | From: El Cajon CA usa | Registered: Dec 1998
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Gesso first. Try thinning it enough with water to make it as smooth as you need and maybe double coat it.
Artist acrylics are not nearly as dense or opaque as Lettering, but much more flexible. They are also not nearly as easy to do detail with and do not brush like Lettering. Nix Poster as it will crack.
If you use latex for the beige, use a flat version as the one shot will stick better to it. The gloss has alot of non-stick things in it, I have seen over the long haul, of necessary.
-------------------- Preston McCall 112 Rim Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 text: 5056607370 Posts: 1552 | From: Santa Fe, New Mexico | Registered: Nov 1998
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We used to do a lot of canvas banners before the advent of vinyl.
Seal and undercoat with a good waterbased primer. First coat watered down because the canvas will soak it up like a man dying of thurst in the desert!
You can do this with a brush but I prefer a foam roller.
Top coat your beige with any waterbased gloss enamel. You can probably get a 1/4 pint mixed at your local paint shop.
I have never used one shot on canvas. It's too stiff and tends to crack. Use waterbased! A little harder to letter but remains flexible.
If the banner or whatever is going to be rolled up, simple baby talc it down to provent it sticking to itself. The talk fills the pores up and is easily wiped off with a damp rag. Advise the customer to do the same each time he stores it.
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Coat it with two or three coats of laytex, sanding between coats, then letter with Dolphinite, or OneShot (poster colors). Thin your oil paint with terps; it will be more flexable. We used this method since the 50's. Before about 1960 all we had was canvas banners. Mark
-------------------- Mark Baty Mark 1 Studio 1980 SE Leeann Drive Waukee, IA 50263 Posts: 45 | From: Waukee, Iowa | Registered: Aug 2008
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We tried an interesting technique for some Christmas gifts- canvas on wooden frame- used acrylic paint for the base coat, made a vinyl mask, put a thick coat of drywall mud over the mask, pulled the mask off, once mud is dry, finished painting and aging with wood stain- made a great 3D relief painting with very little cost...
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1735 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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I would coat-out canvas with a waterbased "block-out white", such as Bullseye 123 or similar. Then the beige and black are really up to you! A piece that small not being folded or rolled like a banner should be just fine. Although, I would paint biege with a semi-gloss latex to get a somewhat smooth surface, and paint black with anything waterbased or oil. Nothing to it.
-------------------- Rich Stebbing RichSigns Rohnert Park CA 707-795-5588 Posts: 755 | From: Rohnert Park, CA | Registered: Nov 1998
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During a backpack across central Mexico, when I was young, I came across a one man sign shop. After introducing myself and a short talk, Armondo told me he had a canvas banner to letter. With a light weight cotton cloth in his hand he pushed it down to the bottom of the horse trough. We let is soak over lunch. Then we nailed and stretched it up against the outside of his little shop. With the sun blazing it wasn't long before it tightened up and he went to work.
Using oil paint he lettered away. I was amazed. The water kept the paint from bleeding. He kept it fairly wet during the process by flogging with a big wet brush. Now it wasn't as clean as stickers but a lot more fun.
Paint away.
-------------------- Joe Crumley Norman Sign Company 2200 Research Park Blvd. Norman, OK 73069 Posts: 1428 | From: 2200 Research Park Blvd. | Registered: Sep 2001
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Sometimes coating out is not an option. When I once lettered some covered wagons, the owners did not want the canvas painted. They wanted only lettering on the raw fabric.
If you can't coat out the background, keeping the canvas damp and lettering with lettering enamels works. Actually, as I recall, we used to mix one part oil-base poster color with two parts lettering enamel. The poster speeded up drying while the lettering enamel gave it durability. You can use a sponge to dampen the fabric ahead of the lettering. Not soaking wet, but wet enough to allow you to cut a clean line. The paint sits on top of the wetness rather than bleeds. Rolling it up for storage, just like a vinyl banner, helps prevent cracking.
Of course this was all before latex paints became popular in the sign world. I would think that the flexibility of latex would lend itself well to painting fabric.
Brad in Kansas City
-------------------- Brad Ferguson See More Signs 7931 Wornall Rd Kansas City, MO 64111 signbrad@yahoo.com 816-739-7316 Posts: 1230 | From: Kansas City, MO, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I thought I was the only sign soul who had that kind of experience. I'm not sure it has much applicability today. But still it was fun.
-------------------- Joe Crumley Norman Sign Company 2200 Research Park Blvd. Norman, OK 73069 Posts: 1428 | From: 2200 Research Park Blvd. | Registered: Sep 2001
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