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at Why Macs suck. The first 3/4 of that video was describing my DELL to a T. I think that guy got his computers mixed up.
The bike vs. crotch rocket is just plain ridiculous. You complained about the BS in the health care post and then you post that? See Curtis' post. Yeah... your PC Intel dual quad core is soooooo much faster than Apples Intel dual quad core. And not customizeable? Glen, you better go look at Apples website. Slide out tray for up to 32 GB of memory, 4 hard drive bays for up to 4TB of storage. 4 PCI express expansion slots, add hard drives with no cables or connectors, just slide into the bay, and no making slave drives & primary drives. Geez, the list goes on but the natives just won't listen. Time to rest and get some Chinese.
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Again Glenn, get with it. I'm using a Logitech wireless laser mouse on my Mac and all the features on my 4 button mouse work the same as on my Dell. No, wait, better on my Mac than on my Dell. Example, I click the left side button and all my open windows show up at once on my desktop. Then I just click on the Window I want to the front. Better than that useless zoom feature on the PC. And when I plugged in the mouse on the Mac it just worked right from the get go. Had to load drivers (love those drivers...NOT!!!) on the PC.
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Macs use drivers as well. I have wrestled with a Mac for hours, trying to get a printer to work. When you have the right drivers, on the Mac or PC, the hardware works. It's not magic.
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That surprises me Russ. Every printer I've bought worked upon plug in. I know they all have drivers. Apple preloads most of the popular ones so you don't have to. Plug & play has alwasy been a Mac staple.
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Dave - they do have drivers... I had a problem similar to Russ involving a printer... finally figured out that my NEW printer didn't have a driver for Mac's NEW OS yet.... They finally got one, and let me tell you it was a mother trying to get it installed vs a typical pc driver install. But it did finally work.
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I must be unlucky, because I have run into plenty of problems with the Macs I have owned. I had an iMac that couldn't seem to finish a movie without the DVD player software quitting in the middle. If there were any scratches at all, it wasn't going to work. I could play the same DVD on my Dell PC and have no problem. I never did get my Epson printer to print to CDs from the Mac. The rest of the features worked, but not that one. I spent hours with no satisfaction. With the PC it works easily.
That has been my contention all along: the Mac is just another computer. I haven't noticed the blinding speed that people talk about. Macs can run Windows, and the reverse is also true. There is no reason to believe that OSX can't easily run on Windows. Virtual Machines have been around for years, and Windows runs Linux and BSD without problems. Mac OSX is closely related to BSD. As far as hardware is concerned, the processors are the same. The memory is the same. The hard drives are the same. The video cards are the same. The CDROM/DVDROM drives are the same. Apple outsources to the same vendors that make parts for PCs.
The one thing I will readily concede is the lack of spyware upkeep required for a Mac. I wish I liked the interface better.
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Lets face it Glenn, everyone would have to be pretty drunk to agree with your views on everything from sign shops to health insurance, religion, politics and the MAC vs PC. Even these guys get it.
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My son introduced me to computers with a Commodore 64..i was a "clunky" thing but it did have GEOS "Graphic environment operating system" I think. Needed the typing in of weird commands though
My wonderful son then tore away my "user friendly" Commodore 64 and handed me a used and abused PC with the wonderful DOS 1.1 on it!!!!
All of a sudden I was looking at a black screen and had to type in new weird stuff to do pretty much nothing. Did have a lot of fun learning how to format the hard drive though..Even though it didn't need formating.
Then came Windows...WOW!!! NOW things are gonna work!! Kinda like the Commodore 64 but in full colour!! And with a hard drive AND RAM so I didn't have type in all those stupid codes to get it to work every time I started it up.
I've been thru Win 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP and Vista..So far XP wins
Had a chance to try out a mac laptop once at Jimmy Chatham's meet in Georgia. I gave it a run, but didn't care for it, even though it had my beloved CorelDraw installed.
At this point we run 2 desktops and 2 laptops..all are PCs and all run some version of Windows as an OS.
My second desktop is a 1999 machine with a whopping 256 meg of RAM. It has never failed and was once my primary machine and accesed the internet, with anti virus and protection..now it is just a humble slave that never sees the internet and has no anti-anything..It boots up in about a minute and shuts down in 10 seconds.
What point am I making...no point...
I am happy with what I have and am used to.
BTW Glenn..I drink..Joey doesn't!!!
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Glenn my life is as follows and I'll be perfectly honest with you.
I do not drink alcohol or soda pop. I rarely drink milk or never drink anything that has been pasteurized or comes in plastic or a container except for water or seltzer from a glass bottle. I do however cook with a good wine. I do not do drugs whatsoever and believe that doctors prescribe medication under the pretense that they know what's best and how a person is going to react an∂ also believe in kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies. If I truly need a medication of some kind from my doctor, the first thing I do is ask my friendly pharmacist what exactly it does but rarely do I need their drugs. My refrigerator is never bare as I make my own rice milk for whatever I'm going to use it for and juice all my veggies and fruits. I rarely eat meat but when I do, I like beef tenderloin, I eat fish and most anything from the sea.
And yes, I occasionally indulge in herbal pleasure but only at night to relax in my own surroundings. Marijuana is an herb and not a drug and here in Oregon as with several other states and more coming it is considered to be a medication prescribed by real doctors.
I am basically retired and have been since I turned 65 last November yet still dabble in what it is that I've done for over a 1/2 century and love adding my 2 cents on forums like this one. I rarely listen to the news and do not buy newspapers. The weather is going to be whatever it is so I do not watch the weather channel. I am not into sports except for drag racing and I'm having a W2-340, 525 horse power engine built for my 64 Signet Plymouth because I can.
I've posted here in Letterville for a very long time and have agreed and disagreed with you, all in all, I know where you're at and I am fine with you in regards to the purpose we are all here for. Other then that, I stand by my reasoning
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Ive got three or four pcs at the shop, or at least whats left of them. Had to borrow parts to make each one work right. I like em okay, but I bought a 24" imac awhile back and its a cadillac. No comparison as far as boot up, programs starting up quickly, and ease of use. Illustrator cs4 works better on the mac. They are just better machines. Always have been , always will be. Ive tried em both, and thats my opinion. Ill keep using em both, but prefer the macs for the less problematic machine. Its a fact.
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David Wright made the most intelligent post on this thread. Virtually everything else could have been from any of the last 10 threads like this. What a silly waste!
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Why do posts re macs and pc's on any forum, invariably turn into a mess like this. When you consider how far technology has moved forward, even in the last five years, we should be grateful to be involved in a business that has been made so much easier by either a pc or mac. Having said that, I'd still love a new mac, but can't afford one.
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quote:David Wright made the most intelligent post on this thread.
I think my post was pretty intelligent Doug - and it's on the verge of being realized:
quote:I'm waiting to see if this evolves into statistics which find that Mac users are 30% more likely to develop herpes, while PC users are 25% more likely to develop Gonorrhea.
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In my experience it does Russ. Faster and without any burps. I mean, Ive had three pcs in the last few years, all good pcs, but they all had hang ups when running certain software titles. On my pc, illustrator takes too long to boot up, and sometimes hangs while doing the actual work, and no it isnt a memory issue. Got plenty. When I got the imac, I bought cs4, and it boots up in like five seconds, and never hesitates while doing work. Its the operation system. Much more stable than windows, and thats coming from someone who uses them both. And Glenn, yep I was on the mac, but I actually posted something that I thought I should remove, as it wasnt like me, so I did. Cant blame that on the mac.
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Oh, and there is no way I would run paralells on my mac. To me, thats defeating the purpose, putting an unstable system on a stable one. Ill just own two computers. One mac, one pc.
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Well I for one was really upset by Glenn's comparison of the Kawasaki Ninja to a PC. You could have used a more problematic motorcycle like the Harley or something!! (Typed on my new 24" iMac).
I like to throw gasoline on fires too!!
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I'll have to agree with John Deaton on a few points:
My Mac also booted into the OS far quicker than a PC.
Programs launch quicker - and shut down quicker.
Not sure I can say that Illustrator runs any better.... well, maybe... as I think about it, everytime I try and shut Illustrator down on my PC (almost everytime) I always get a warning that Illustrator has become unstable and must shut down...so that's my general shut down routine. Can't really recall having that problem on my Mac.
And this has occurred on different PC's with different versions of Illustrator for years. But I think that has more to do with Illustrator being buggy and not properly tuned for the PC?
I still like the PC's explorer way of filing files better than the Mac.
And , with a few exceptions, most of the Mac programs won't fully enlarge to fill the screen by simply clicking a "maximize" button like the PC...it gets just a 'little' bit bigger - to make if fully fill the screen, I have to draw a corner of the application physically - which is a big pain.... maybe someone can enlighten me on a better way. Admittedly, I don't know the in's and out's of the Mac as well as the PC.
Mac's "Photo Album" is phenomenal.... for storing and tweaking photographs. And so is it's built in Photo Book, where you can easily make and purchase a hard cover book full of photos which you drop into customizable pages .... really cool.
Mac's are good machines - probably more stable in my opinion than PC's... however, I like PC's too... and I understand that Windows 7 is a great OS.
Maybe Curtis H can comment on the new Windows 7 and it's features and stability????
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and Doug Allan this is for you, in the beginning it was said when I started this post
I will continue using this MAC not only for my enjoyment but for home security as well and HOPEFULLY CAN GET SOME TIPS ALONG THE WAY. I probably need a newer version of the mac book for real dummies as I have a problem where I can read something but not put it into proper perspective unless I could hear it verbally. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say beside the fact that I love the MAC.
oh yes John Deaton, the start is unreal compared to waiting, like ya said, 5 seconds
Kevin Gaffney said we should be grateful to be involved in a business that has been made so much easier by either a pc or mac.
Yikes... as there are many who do it by hand without electronics and make five times the profit in less then 1/2 the time. And will still be working when the electric gets shut down
TJ Duvall Well I for one was really upset by Glenn's comparison of the Kawasaki Ninja to a PC. You could have used a more problematic motorcycle like the Harley or something!!
I would expect that would be a good uneducated answer from persons who couldn't afford a real bike and I bet there's more then a few Kawasaki owners that wished they owned a Harley while out cruising or a Vrod while they were racing.
and for Glenn, what can anyone really say besides this man really needing help
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I actually started with Macs before Windows was born. Gee, I wonder where Gates got the idea for Windows. It couldn't have been because he was writing software for Mac's and saw that it was better than DOS. Nahhh.
I laughed at Grundy's comment about all the Windows versions he's used through the years. They didn't get it right until XP??? Mac OS has been stable since day 1. Just an observation.
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quote: but they all had hang ups when running certain software titles. On my pc, illustrator takes too long to boot up, and sometimes hangs while doing the actual work, and no it isnt a memory issue
And there we have it..
The software title has the problem.. But the PC gets the blame.. Yahoo!! Users install tons of different little goodies on their machines some of which are pure junk code. They run in the background and conflict with the operation in some unknown way that later surfaces in strange places especially when someone wants to start a feature rich title.
Why is it a machine will sit on my bench and never give a hiccup. When it gets to the users office it suddenly turns into deathzilla.
It's because he gets in there and tries to add on some half backed supertweak.
Yes, blame the machine but never the users. Yes blame the machine but never the SOFTWARE.
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