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I got a call today from someone who is wanting some straight line striping on an antique car. He mentioned matallic silver and I am trying to persuade him out of that as I just hate doing metallic anything with 1-shot. It just never has acceptable, even coverage, especially when pulling a long line. Durability is also am issue. I just stay away from the stuff.
If he insists, can you offer me any advice? I am not familiar with HOK. Is their silver decent to work with?
-------------------- Curt Stenz Graphics 700 Squirrel Lane Marathon, WI 54448 Posts: 590 | From: Marathon, WI 54448 | Registered: Dec 1998
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I use HOK when ever I want a silver or gold pinstripe, you just need to use their reducer. Another option is Sid Moses "MoLac" lacquer thinned with lacquer retarder. (have not personally used this)
If you are concerned about durability you can use hardener in the HOK or clear it. (I like to wait a couple days for that.)
Depending on the year and type of car, the original color may have been gray rather than silver. If this is a restoration rather than a hot rod, some research might be necessary to be sure of the proper color and stripe placement. I believe some of the late thirties and early Packards did have a silver stripe....
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Don't use 1-shot met. silver for striping. I certainly guarentee to the max, that it's gonna be just about all gone in about 9 months. Try the HOK. Practice a bit, on someone else's car before you do your customer's. But if your don't want to go through the hassele of using another paint, do the striping maybe first in Med Grey then go over it in silver. At least when it starts to fade, it might not look as bad.
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a buddy and I did a carshow a couple weeks ago and someone wanted silver lines. we mixed up a dove grey (black, white, drop of imitation gold)... halved it with met. silver.
doesn't have the same pop as just silver but covered well and just enough "sparkle" in the sun
-------------------- Compulsive, Neurotic, Anti-social and Paranoid ... but basically Happy Posts: 2677 | From: Rochester, NY, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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HOK silver is difficult at best. DuPont Hot Hues silver is far superior in all aspects. We switched over to the Dupont on our silver and gold over a year ago. I used some silver to letter a truck a month or so ago and was very pleased with the results.
The drawbacks ( and you knew this was coming ) is the price. DuPont urethanes only come in half pints. I think I paid like $46 for the last can. Also, we had a can of the DuPont catalyst jell up on us long before it was used up. The gal at the paint store said she was hearing the same thing from others. On the bright side, HOK catalyst seems to work just fine with it. Be sure to follow the recommended ratio. DuPont calls for 3:1
If you go with the Dupont and upon mixing it, you find it too runny for your taste...let it sit for a few minutes and it will get nice and workable. The brilliance of this stuff is amazing and it leaves almost no brush marks on over strokes like O.S is bad about.
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I'd answer this question but the fact is that although most all of the newer paints really suck because of the lead or in reality the lack of lead which causes persons to become immobile and remain at a standstill, this is what really sucks.
We all had an advanced look at what was going on and what was being removed from the shelves not so long ago. There are others including myself who I feel are on top of their craft and made it necessary to acquire and keep acquiring paints and materials of yesterday until they have exactly what they need to keep doing what it is they have been doing for years.
I personally use 1-Shot and HOK both lead based paints along with remnants of Chromatic and some others which I cannot remember the names at the moment along with the formulas we all used back when these paints were kings. Along my way I visit with shops, ol'sign dudes and supply houses which may still have these paints in the basement just sitting there and I offer the bay them or trade for whatever makes the deal.
I find both the HOK and the 1-Shot silver of yesterday to cover as it did when these paints flourished and you can to, that is if you can remember when it was made by the companies who owned them. Such as the case of 1-Shot which was originally owned by Consumers which I must have enough to last till I croak, same goes for Chromatic where on the lable will tell you where it was made, should be Stony Point NY I believe. Not all bulletin colors are just that as some of the formulas were for the lettering paints for manufacturing reason.
Ahh, what can I really tell you that I haven't already done in all the years I've been on the BB whereas most were too busy trying to prove me wrong and now are in deep dodo trying to find newer paints to cover their ass so to speak.
Oh well, that's all I have to say
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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Thanks to everyone. I found out that the car is a '37 something and the color spec calls for silver, but like Jim Moser said, it is actually a light gray.
As for Joey, I never did stockpile paint but rather brushes. I keep them in a sealed tupperware tub with a few moth balls in there. I have some Langnickle gray flats as well as a bunch of blue handle French Luco gray quills, my favorite. These must be at least 20 years old or more. These are fantastic brushes as I still am using some purchased around that same time.
-------------------- Curt Stenz Graphics 700 Squirrel Lane Marathon, WI 54448 Posts: 590 | From: Marathon, WI 54448 | Registered: Dec 1998
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Curt, I can send you enough leaded silver paint either in 1-Shot or in HOK to do that vehicle. As far as the color, it may be silver with white added for coverage as they done it that way back when. In the past when I had problems, my dad would give me pointers on what was used when he striped factory vehicles.
If need be just call my cell phone at 541-660-1092
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
quote:Curt, I can send you enough leaded silver paint either in 1-Shot or in HOK to do that vehicle.
Hey Joey..THAT is a nice offer, along with the advice about adding a bit of white.
Curt..take Joey up on the offer, He showed me some of his stash of paints and he'll send you the "real stuff".
(Sorry if I make you look like a "nice guy" Joey!!! Wouldn't want to damage your reputation!!!!! )
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