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We painted some yellow aluminum panels the other day with One Shot and the panels were so slippery when they were dry that vinyl wouldn't stick. We had to scrub the heck out of them with Rapid Prep to get the slick slippery stuff off. Then the vinyl stuck fine. If they're changing things again, why don't they tell us?
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5396 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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It's the rice. If you have been noticing,the price of rice has doubled in one month. I understand that rice is a part of the new formula in ?-Shot and the company had to take out half of the ingratients.
Jack
-------------------- Jack Wills Studio Design Works 1465 E.Hidalgo Circle Nye Beach / Newport, OR Posts: 2914 | From: Rocklin, CA. USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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You're partially correct Jack as the rice ingredient came from India disguised as Basmati. After speaking with a rep, it was found to be the brown variety which is much more slippery than the white.
Oh well back to 56
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Sometimes, 1-Shot leaves this weird little haze after drying. Kinda like a fogging of some sort. What you have to do is just wipe off the haze with a clean dry cloth. After you wipe it off, you will also notice that the paint will have a shinier look to it. I think some of the oils or solvents in the paint will rise up and leave this haze on top. And nothing will stick to it. You can't even draw on it with a stabillo. I've seen this going on for a few years. I just figured it was the moisture in the weather. In fact, this evening I painted a few panel shapes on a sign. If they dry with the haze on top, I'll try to post a pic of it.
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My experience with the haze has been from using mineral spirits to thin the paint. I did not have a problem with turps. I also noticed a difference in haze from different brands of mineral spirits. Go figure. True about wiping off haze with soft cloth. Nice sheen to the paint. Just my thoughts, Don
-------------------- Donald Miner ABCO Wholesale Neon 1168 Red Hill Creek Dobson, NC Posts: 842 | From: North Carolina | Registered: Apr 2006
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because one shot sucks. one shot has no warranty on their crappy products. when things go wrong , its YOUR fault. it was how YOU prepped the surface.
one shot clears, paints, additives, they all suck. I don't know why people are still using this crap. IT IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE! maybe its great for interior signs
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LOL, I still have cans of One Shot that was made "back in the day"; it has the lead warning lable. Like NAPA says "Get the good stuff". ...I also have a quart can of pure white lead
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"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." Sir Issac Newton Posts: 3528 | From: Warner Robins, GA | Registered: Oct 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Donald Miner: My experience with the haze has been from using mineral spirits to thin the paint. I did not have a problem with turps. I also noticed a difference in haze from different brands of mineral spirits. Go figure. True about wiping off haze with soft cloth. Nice sheen to the paint. Just my thoughts, Don
Yep, mine too.
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Why do people use "lettering enamel" to coat out panels? maybe if you use the "background enamel" that wouldnt happen. I know that background enamel doesnt flow well when i use it to pinstripe, jees I wonder why?
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"A wise man once said that, or was it a wise guy?" Posts: 2425 | From: Salem, MA | Registered: Apr 1999
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Because lettering enamel has a higher percentage of pigment and uses a better grade of pigment in order to make it cover better and last longer. It was our way of trying to do a better job, but the quality of the paint would not permit it.
Background enamel is a lesser grade of paint so that it will cost less and cover more area than lettering enamel...but the quality is also less.
It still happens.
That's why it doesn't flow well for pin striping.
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-------------------- Chapman Sign Studio Temple, Texas chapmanstudio@sbcglobal.net Posts: 6306 | From: Temple, Texas, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Exactly right Ray. I think it was Frank Manning when he was with One Shot that told me bulletin paint was a lessor quality paint designed for billboards so as to help keep the cost down since they are usually a shorter term sign.
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well maybe you should save the high quality, expense letting paint for umm.... lettering! and buy some high quality, metal paint to coat out metal... seems like a waste of the high quality, forulated for brushing, yet highly critisized paint. I think Frank Manning told me once that the stuff is for lettering and striping. ok, cynasism aside, I use single stage automotive uerathanes to paint metal panels, great, hard slick surface and vinyl and lettering enamel stick like it would on a vehicle.
-------------------- Ken McTague, Concept Signs 57 Bridge St. (route 107) Salem MA 01970 1-978-745-5800 conceptsign@yahoo.com http://www.pinheadlounge.com/CaptainKen
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See this is why I switched to digital printing years ago. No fuss no muss. Just control P baby. Yup, you guys tryin' to live in the past need to wisen up boy...get with the program!!
Yup, if it weren't for a book I bought..."Throw down that brush!" I would still be having the same problems as you guys. You guys really need to pick up a copy. Google author name "Ricky Jackson". He has a slew of books on the modern shop. No more paint for me boy!
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Back years ago I used to argue paint vs vinyl all day long. I would take paint because it would last longer than vinyl. Those days are long gone. I'm doing a ton of Ink Jet printing with a Roland machine. With Laminate I'm getting 5 years out of a print. Your lucky to get that with some colors of paint be it 1 shot or ronan. When it comes to backgrounds, I just print whatever color I want.
-------------------- Rob Larkham Sign Techniques Inc. Chicopee, Ma Posts: 607 | From: Chester, Ma. | Registered: Apr 2002
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OK you clowns... I'm sitting here with my thumb sticking to the mouse from the reducer. Yep, had to get PAINT off my hands! Actually it was screen print ink (NazDar 59000 series) but yesterday I did some hand lettering. Hairy end goes in the paint; see, I still remember. As has been said a million times, paint, brushes, computers, LF printers, edges, etc, are all just tools; you just gotta use the right one for the right job. All my books have big pictures and small words, especially made for sign shops. Dana that book is entitled "O Canada, I stand on guard of thee"
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Nothing to fear, I hear OP is setting up a company to import lead paint from China, just as soon as he gets out of bed, any day now....
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Cam Bortz Finest Kind Signs Pondside Iron works 256 S. Broad St. Pawcatuck, Ct. 06379 "Award winning Signs since 1988" Posts: 3051 | From: Pawcatuck,Connecticut USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Every now and again I get a chance to hop over to the British Isles. It's there I'm taken back to the skill and beauty of hand lettered signs and good thoughtful layout. The judicious use of gold seems appropriate. There isn't a digital print on the planet that even comes close to the, what I call, Live Edge quality
Even a weathered old hand painted sign causes me investigate it's aspects. We shouldn't be very concerned with the validity of hand painted signs. They have their place and should be appreciated for what they are. Championed for the skill and effort they require.
If one isn't satisfied with the local paints available, there's always the European brands which have quality's far beyond the usual.
Is this a waste of time or what?
Joe
-------------------- Joe Crumley Norman Sign Company 2200 Research Park Blvd. Norman, OK 73069 Posts: 1428 | From: 2200 Research Park Blvd. | Registered: Sep 2001
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there's a new best seller on the canadian literary list it's "RICKY JACKSON: WE STAND ON GUARD AGAINST THEE" and just like health care, deemed important enough to be provided free to all citizens
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Thanks Joe, that was very good. And I'm beginning to think it is a waste of time....this debate. Those who hand paint are going to keep doing it, and those who print, likewise.
There will always be a place for hand lettering, just as there will always be a place for fine cabinet-makers, blacksmiths, custom car painters, etc. I doubt computers will ever take that away.
One reason I came to this site originally, aside from the learning aspect, was a motto..."keepers of the craft". To me, the craft was hand lettering and hand-crafted sign work. I don't see where pushing a button on a computer, starting a printer on its way, has anything to do with craft. It's something anyone can do. Obviously, what happens before button is pushed will affect the job printed; that does reflect the operator.
I'm not trying to disparage anyone who uses a printer among other tools to get jobs done; but to those who just run out and buy one to make a buck.....sorry, you're not a craftsman.
I just hate to see our profession, which I truly enjoy on a daily basis, get swallowed up in a sea of technology. Like Joe said, there's just something "special" about a hand-painted sign, a personal touch of the artist that created it. That is something no computer, no printer, no router, no automation can match.
In the end, it can all, however, work together.
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Another thread hijacked. This wasn't started to debate paint vs. vinyl or digital prints. I was just wondering why my latest panel painted with One Shot is different, (slippery) than it ever was in the past.
There will always be a need for paint. You can't digital print the letters on a 3D sign. And I won't drop $18,000 into a printer with the volume we do. But I will be investigating switching to water based if this One Shot keeps going down hill.
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-------------------- Alan Johnson Alan Johnson Grafix Blairstown, NJ 07825 [URL=http://www.alanjohnsongrafix.com] Posts: 261 | From: Blairstown, NJ | Registered: Dec 2001
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Gee . . . y'all mean to say ya don't think it has somthin' to do with the price of oil?
BTW . . .haze in Oneshot ends with using a few drops of mid-temp reducer instead of mineral spirits or turps . . . or gas . . .etc.
Also, never leave wet or even tacky or even recently cured paint in the morning dew, or even damp conditions under a porch or even in a building . . . as a matter of fact . . . with any type of paint . . . Oneshot included . . . always paint under absolutely perfect conditions at all times weather/temperature conditions included, for a perfect finish every single time . . .
lol
(faciscious is my name . . . sarcasm is my game . . . apparently spelling is not . . .)
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