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A long long time ago in a river view hamlet way back east there lived a traveling pinstriper who just rambled into town one day and made a dent in the way things were, he worked with HoK, 1 Shot and Chromatics sign enamels while others who were very well known in magazines promoted themselves to another level while being blind sided by impure thoughts. These persons saw fit to use paints that were'nt meant for pinstriping, Sikkens was their choice back then because HoK was a little more expensive and cost had always been an issue. Such as the case that screen inks of today are now labled for pinstriping, persons who once were strictly sign painters are now paid and non paid reps choosing to show how very smart they have been throughout their multible careers. Not everything is as it seems as Nirvana hasn't been reached as of yet as smart stripers still use proven methods and don't fumble around believing that the sky is falling.
Education takes top priority in my book and experience is the only means of getting the most out of it but spending hard earned cash on someone elses say so when they themselves have kept such a low key all these years and only raise their head when it serves them isn't what its all about.
I find many jump on the bandwagon because they themselves haven't the sense to think for themselves and need another crutch so to speak. Another well known vehicle artist does just that for them and they can still hold the article in one hand while the other hand is playing with their genitals.
The above was my reply on another website this morning because of what the original post had to say. which is in relation to EZ Flow paints from The Kustom Shop as posted by Kurt Silva, a real professional from Bend Oregon, Kurt says
This stuff seems to dry hard and adheres well. But it is sensitive to itself and other solvents...including wax and grease remover.
I did a stripe repair at a collision repair shop about a month ago. It hadn't been buffed yet, so they put masking tape over the fresh stripe - next morning - to protect it from the buffer. The next day I got a call saying that the stripe was just wiping right off. Ssssuuurrreeee I thought. I went back and as they had said, you could wipe it off with your fingers, although it was just one small 6 to 8 inch area. Although they said that they didn't use any solvents or chemicals on it, I knew that they had to have been somewhat agressive with it to get the compound build-up off from where the tape line was. Using wax and grease remover to clean it up to restripe it, I noticed that the stripe was coming off with the solvent. I moved to another spot on the vehicle and tried it there...sure enough, it came right off there too. However it did stay put when they pulled the masking tape off, putting my mind at ease that it did adhere well.
So a few weeks later, I decided to do some controlled tests. I laid down some stripes on a clean panel. Some of the stripes had HOK catalyst added and some didn't.
Next day I went in and striped over some of the previously laid down stripes, essentially just crossed over what I had put down the day before. I then tried to wipe the new stripe off while still wet, with a dry rag. It took the first stripe right off. I then tried wax and grease remover. It too removed the stripe easily, as did mineral spirits. When I say easily, I mean it melted right off with no effort.
A week later, it was more difficult to remove with the wax and grease remover but it still came off.
Seems there was no difference in the cat or not cat paint.
So, you can't do what you may be used to doing with this paint. With 1-Shot you can lay down a backround panel and wait a half day or day and letter right over it with no problems. If you screw up and need to wipe it off, you can without damaging the underlying panel. Can't do with Kustom Shop.
With 1-Shot you can do some airbrush fades in your lettering and a few hours later you can wipe off the overspray with wax and grease remover without damaging the lettering....not so with Kustom Shop.
I haven't tried doing airbrush lettering with it yet. When I do, I will try window cleaner to remove overspray and see how that works.
I am wondering if using Kustom Shop cat would make it more resistent to solvents.
It really seems to adhere well and is resistent to being scratched and scraped at.
I called Kustom Shop to discuss the problem but no one returned my call.
It really ****es me off because this stuff is really really nice to stripe with. I thought they had achieved striping paint nirvana. I used it on several jobs before I found out about it's sensitivity to solvents. I just hope they don't come back to me.
So if you think you can live with these issues, stripe on. As for me...I just don't think I want to trust it just yet.
And as for me, I believe I'll leave the experimenting to the youngins and my cash where it belongs. BTW Steve Kafka is coming out with a flow enhancer additive for 1Shot which may add longevity and I'll become a traveling salesman for my former craft.
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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Joey, you might want edit your post and add some quotation marks so it will be clear where you are quoting Kurt. I know because I've been following all this but it might not be clear to others.
As far as what's going on with all the new paint...I'm more than a little confused, especially about why so many new paints. I've been around the business of signs/striping for over thirty five years. When I first started there was One Shot, Sherwin Williams and Ronan and that was pretty much it. A little later Chromatic came along and SW fell by the wayside. There was Daggerlaq and Enamelaq for a short while and they too disappeared. This was all back when all signs were done in paint. The demand for paint as far as signs goes has been reduced probably by as much as 80%. There were always way more sign painters than pinstripers. What I'm getting at is why , now do we have over a half dozen companies producing paint for pin striping needs???? Yes, pin striping is/has been undergoing a revival of sorts but do the number of new folks entering the business in whatever capacity really warrant all the different brands???? It just doesn't seem like all that big of a market. It's got to really be confusing to the new folks as I'm pretty confused myself Myself, I tend to glean information from folks like you and Kurt, whose open honesty is definitely appreciated and from my own experiences out in the field.
-------------------- George Perkins Millington,TN. goatwell@bigriver.net
"I started out with nothing and still have most of it left"
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Joey; I've been using 1shot since the 1950's with good success.Knowing what additives to use for weather conditions has helped. Example being having a small portion of "penetrol" in a seperate cup as a flow enhancer with a few drops of Japan drier, and in extreamly dry and hot weather I have also added a small portion of boiled lindseed oil into the same mix, along with a few extra drops of japan drier to help get it into the future. I prefer diping the brush in the seperate mix then directly onto the pallate rather than mixing everything in with the paint because by doing so eliminates the need for an occasional squirt of thinner therby reducing the possibility of flashing as one needs to keep the palate viscosity free and workable. Had a conversation with Kafka a few years back at the Americade in New York about silver being very short. He agreed, and after I went back to my booth, he whistled me back over to view his demonstration with silver. He did a complete one half of a symetrical pattern without lifting. Nice pattern Steve, I said as I sniffed what seemed to be the aroma of kerosine in his paint cup. I remember using castor oil with nitrocelulos to help it along back in the early days. I was given a lot of insight from an old timer who in the 1920's through 1970's was an old world auto body repair and striper guy.I still have his Lead Paddles and a can of stuff that makes Aceteline. He used to keep his brushes, points up held onto a north window of his body shop with vasoline, viewed from the outside resembled anchovies and sardines side by side.
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I have tried other paints, but I still use about 96% good Old 1-Shot. Ya know Joey, I sometimes wonder if in someone's forgotten part of someone else's old garage, there could be pints, 1/2 pints and gallons of old, unopened, "Leaded" 1-Shot paint. It just there, sitting, waiting to be found. That old smell escaping as the lid is pryed off. I could only dream.
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I'm with you, Alicia, I'd give anything to find that treasure store of old OneShot in the back of someone's store. I did have something similar happen a few years ago. I went into a local Sherwin-Williams store to get some stuff, and noticed that they had some Ronan sign paint. Quarts. I asked the guy how much they were and he said they were getting rid of them, and I could have them for 80% off. I bought them all. Paid between 5 and 7 bucks a quart. What a find! Think I'm still working with a couple of them.
I just don't understand why a company like OneShot, or whoever, can't sell pints or half-pints of real pinstriping paint...with lead, pigments, and all the good stuff. It's going to the trade; not the general public. Our use has to be in the fraction of one percent of all users. And in all my years of striping and lettering, I've never once had a kid come up and lick a car I'd worked on. It's just ridiculous the knee-jerk "remedies" the feds can come up with.
-------------------- Dale Feicke Grafix 714 East St. Mendenhall, MS 39114
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How dare we complain about not having leaded paint for striping? Where's your social and environmental conscience? Think of all those poor ghetto kids getting lead poisoning from sucking the pinstripes off an 18 wheeler. Thank god our Environmental Placebo Agency is protecting us from this terrible scourge! Y'all oughta be 'shamed of y'selves...
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Where's your social and environmental conscience? Think of all those poor ghetto kids getting lead poisoning from sucking the pinstripes off an 18 wheeler. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Thank god our Environmental Placebo Agency is protecting us from this terrible scourge! ![[Thanks]](graemlins/thanks.gif)
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Y'all oughta be 'shamed of y'selves...
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