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ya know when a person commits suicide, the preachers always say that the person was calling out, yes well thats a big help as they stick'm in the ground.
Getting to the real solution is always harder than first thought, lets take 1-Shot for example. Here is a paint company who asks questions yet never puts the answers in proper perspective, a company living on reputation of others as if nothing has changed so they believe everything remains the same. Working with this Neanderthal paint is a joke as it takes way to long to dry and even waiting a day to clean up your work turns into a quagmire of smeared paint and smudges from hell. How long does it take for persons to realize that no one really gives a sh-t and all Spraylat really cares about is sales. It really is time to take a stand and say f--k'm.
Years ago when I wrote my website I spoke about Neanderthal paint in comparison to HoK than I wound up in a Neanderthal town in Oregon where I couldn't even update my paint supplies without causing a breakdown in communication due to my accent whereas they hadn't a clue to what I was talking about so I had to yield and go back umteenth years and use something I was totally through with, 1-Shot. A quote taken from the Quigley down-under movie went something like this " I didn't say I didn't know how to use it, I said I have no use for it "
Back to the 1-Shot post, this paint sucks and hopefully Spraylat or Tramp or Brian or whoever, who likes to boost how good this sh-t is can tell me why the f--k it take so friggin long to set up and why its coverage sucks straight from the can and why we shouldn't move on to another brand of paint such as EZ flow, HoK and hopefully PPG whose paint has been in the works.
For crying out loud give me an effn break and sell the effn 1-Shot division to some company that knows WTF they are doing cause you sure don't, geez, ya don't even offer ChromaFlo but do sell #6000 hardly a comparison to 1-Shots old Liqui-seal no less Chromaflo.
1-Shot, " its all you need when you need more problems " should be your logo. IWe don't need more phones calls from past clients complaining of paint failures and we don't have all the time in the world waiting for your paint to dry.
Spraylat, stick these words in your archives and remember all the clients you used to have, the ones who needed to use a paint that is good and not just a company living on reputation of others.
now whats that batch number on the top of the can
This isn't a rant, this my friend is FACT
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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I heard Homme Depost, may have the same stuff. Just take yer color chart there and they will mix it for ya. Ask for Alkyd Enamel.
HERE,HERE........Joey.
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-------------------- Jack Wills Studio Design Works 1465 E.Hidalgo Circle Nye Beach / Newport, OR Posts: 2914 | From: Rocklin, CA. USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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Me, I'm waiting so patiently Lying on the floor I'm just trying to do this jig-saw puzzle Before it rains anymore
I hear ya Joey. I'm waiting on Dupont's striping urethane. I've heard it's good and there's one company who has always put out a good consistant product.
-------------------- George Perkins Millington,TN. goatwell@bigriver.net
"I started out with nothing and still have most of it left"
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since i'm forced to use 1-shot because of availability ...or have enough cash to buy HOK ..I'm stuck ...but do use less of 1-shot in other areas cause of poor perforance
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My supply pretty much sits there waiting for folks to stop by and panel jam or maybe a knock out paper sign for a friend's birthday. I would use it to paint a swing set if I had one. Maybe the grand kids walls or likewise as it would surely do for that and probably wash up o.k.
Tramp and others are disappointed that things aren't moving faster as they have supposedly reformulated the paint. It is still the favorite for walldogging, because if covers well enough to execute murals and, unlike waterbase paints, you can paint right up until it rains. This helps tremendously considering these murals have to be done in the span of a long weekend and rain can get everyone nervous that things won't get done. There's no time for double coating usually, so the paint is exceptable although its longevity is suspect.
We have begged the company to supply information of long lasting clears, etc., but there is not much information provided as yet, so if others would seek to find out, maybe we will all get some help. When walldogging we have not found it helpful to add hardener as some blending is necessary and you are working out in the elements. But there is usually no hurry to clear, so proper curing time is not a problem. Most cities can roll clears over these projects, they just need recommendations on which is the best and why.
I hope a representative of the company reads these posts from time to time and can give us some feedback.
Really it's not just 1 Shot, but all manufacturers of alkyd enamels for outdoor advertising use. Since government restrictions on solvents, resins, binders, dryers, emoluants, bahevements, whatever ... these paints have suffered and not much has been done to help them out. In there day they were the cat's behind and the manufacturers could probably get back to that, but profit margins and the likes have not made it worth their while.
And Joey's right ... they ain't listening!
-------------------- Bill Diaz Diaz Sign Art Pontiac IL www.diazsignart.com Posts: 2107 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Dec 2001
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I went to tour the facility in Gary Indiana back in 2004. If you do go there, go during the day, trust me.
I had questions. The answers I got were almost like someone claiming the fifth amendment. It was explained to me that they DO have employees ranging from 40 years to 4 days, and they are the best employees in the world. ?????
I'm not 60 minutes, I'm a sign painter that uses your product and would like to know what the hell THAT Bag of "Stuff" is that you are putting into THAT "Vat" of paint, etc. etc. That's all, just a practical explanation. I am grateful for One Shot for supporting Letterhead Meets that I have organized in the past, thank you Consumers Paint factory.
But back to the product itself...I have switched to automotive paints. My reputation is on the line with every sign. When it chauks down and fades much faster than it used to, my customers do not like to hear excuses. So, we, as one man sign shops all know, have to chose an alternative.
At least Joey tells it like it is. Tramp, I know you read all these posts but do not respond because of fear of conflict. It won't hurt you to say yur piece, come on...let's hear it.
-------------------- Mike Meyer Sign Painter 189 1st Ave n P.O. Box 3 Mazeppa, Mn 55956
We are not selling, we are staying here in Mazeppa....we cannot re-create what we have here....not in another lifetime! SO Here we are!!!!!!!
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I truly cannot remember the last time I used the old formula of either 1-Shot and Chromatic where after waiting a few hours cleaning a smudge would effect the surrounding stripes. With this new stuff after 1 day of waiting for one or two colors to dry and having this happen is pure bullsh-t.
The parts I'm doing are for a friends Harley and you know the scenario not that I ever worry bout who they are or really give a sh-t for that matter but its the principal, do what ya do best and get through it. I am in L.A. for a month and know quite a few bikers who would like to have me do something even after explaining that this isn't the correct paint for bikes, ya know with the gasoline spillage etc.. But hey, how do ya turn down a friend when ya know that no good deed really goes unpunished
I hate what Spraylat has done to this Iconic paint when ya see other paint companies gaining popularity with the same technology available to Spraylat as well. Oh well, anyone can make excuses or use diplomacy in the board room and as I always said, I'll give credit to any conversation but after 5 minutes, the bullsh-t stops and ya gotta show me something
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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I don't think that if One Shot, Reps respond to anything more on this site it would not make much difference to the overall balance of the paint or how it fits to a particular surface. I do recall using my own hybrid mixes of agents to change consistency of the old formula at times. If someone wanted a stripe on chrome, I would mix in some XIM 300 clear to help with bonding. If the weather was getting tough...I could fool with some dutch mixtures to help it pan out and stay with the quality needed. The new formula is working for some that I have questioned when they use ungoddly amounts of additives and temperatures are under control. I have to honestly say that I feel like I'm using a pudding or mayonaise based paint,in that it doesn't seem to have the same tensil action when working through the brush hairs. But, what do I know about any altered state of a product and maybe ya can't see the head before the tail.
Jack
-------------------- Jack Wills Studio Design Works 1465 E.Hidalgo Circle Nye Beach / Newport, OR Posts: 2914 | From: Rocklin, CA. USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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damn.....had no idea we were going to bash one shot this am. Im all for that. ONE SHOT SUCKS. THIER CLEAR SUCKS. THEIR THINNERS SUCK. THEIR CUSOTMER SERVICE SUCKS.
the best thing they can do is fold. their products dont last any longer. and no you will not hear a reply on this from one shot...what can they say
-------------------- You ever notice how easily accessible people are when they are requiring your services but once they get invoice you can't reach them anymore
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I'd like for someone to tell me why it is that a specialty paint like 1shot is supposed to be has to conform to all those no-lead, no-pigment,etc. BS laws anyway? We who use it are probably no more than one bazillionth of one percent of the total of people who use paint, or oil-base paint. I think a lot of it is fear....everybody is afraid of being sued for something. It's totally ridiculous how things have gotten. I mean, when's the last time you saw a sign, any sign, that some kid had taken a bite out of or when was the last time you saw a kid sittin' on a street corner chewing on a sign? Come on!!!
Where's the NEW 1Shot we heard so much about? I know what Joey is talking about, but I still use the stuff out of necessity. I guess companies like this think we are a captive audience; that we have no alternative. Maybe we need some kind of boycott.....maybe they're mad at us cause we're using vinyl. But then, maybe they should think about how many of us would use less vinyl and more paint if their product was worth a crap.
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity. — Charles Mingus Posts: 6724 | From: Mendocino, CA. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I think I am going to start buying Ronan exclusively. Both companies were quite kind with paint contributions whenever I hosted a meet, but people tended to use the familiar 1-Shot. I was left with leftover Ronan, and it worked quite well- good coverage, good flow and ease of use, nice colors. I even talked my Glantz into stocking it. Now I'm glad I did. Love.....Jill
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I have switched to Ronan as well Jill, PLUS, it is less expensive..PLUS they have a water base paint AQUA COTE!! I really like Ronan, and NO Tramp, I DO NOT WORK for RONAN. Or any other sign supply company.
I pay my OWN way to meets!
-------------------- Mike Meyer Sign Painter 189 1st Ave n P.O. Box 3 Mazeppa, Mn 55956
We are not selling, we are staying here in Mazeppa....we cannot re-create what we have here....not in another lifetime! SO Here we are!!!!!!!
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...Without OS, WHAT THEN? ... I like that I can go to the art store and buy any color I need, whenever I want. If (or when) the store stops selling it, I 'll have to order it (or something else) from some where.
...Once upon a very long time ago, all sign makers had to mix their own media. Since the advent of commercial paint companys, we could skip this chore, but have (always) been at the paint makers 'mercy' as to what the ingredents of their products were. As in any business, there is a constant evolution of budgets, materials, technology, bureaucracys. Unless we want to start grindng our own paint again, we either have to accept whatever we get, find an alternative, or quit using it.
...No one type of paint has ever been best for whatever other applications. It sounds like the HOK is better for vehicles, but enamel is still nice to use for indoor signs (and if drying speed isn't important. That EZ FLOW stuff sounds interesting...
...Like it or not, we are in for a whole new slew of (more) paint and plastic reformulations in the near future. The rising environmental and economical costs of OIL use will certainly dictate some major changes in the sign industry.
...I hate enamel paint as much as anyone. Nearly EVERY dern time I use the stuff, I get it on my hands, clothes, floor, etc. Then I have to stop, and clean up the mess. At least water based paint is much more pleasant to wipe away. And it doesn't stink as much either...
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OK Joey, it's strictly decaf for you from now on!!
-------------------- Ricky Jackson Signs Now 614 Russell Parkway Warner Robins, GA (478) 923-7722 signpimp50@hotmail.com
"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." Sir Issac Newton Posts: 3528 | From: Warner Robins, GA | Registered: Oct 2004
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As much as most of us may not want to hear it, I think water based formulations will take the Lion's share of the market in our industry. I have turned and marched in that direction for several years now. It is sad to see an icon like 1Shot "go to the dogs" (pun partially intended, Bill) but given the company's lack of real responsiveness to those who use their products, they'll lose their market share to a competitor who cares to listen and act on their users needs. I am excited that Porter & Gary Anderson have buddied up to develop Rhino Paints. I know that you can't use it for pinstipping a bike. For that purpose, I'd like to know more about Easy-Flo. Any opinions?
-------------------- Nancie W. Phillips White Dove Painting Studio 74 Dacula Road, Dacula, GA 30019 678-887-3339
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Back in the early days of the Letterheads we would make suggestions to the folks at One Shot about problems with their paints. For instance, we could never understand why we as sign painters could mix up a brown using their paints and it would cover well, while the Medium Brown out of the can was always oily and never worked well. If we could do it, why couldn't they?
At that time there was no off the shelf Magenta and it was impossible to mix using their paints. Over and over we said that we needed a Magenta. Nothing ever happened.
Other suggestions were made but they must not have been listening.
I'll have to say that One Shot continually supported the Letterhead movement and provided thousands of dollars of materials for the various meets...and they still do.
Enter Chromatic. I'm not sure of all the timing and who did what....but Steve Berman came along and Chromatic began listening. All of a sudden Magenta was available as a standard color from Chromatic. They made a brown that would cover. My favorite was their Light Blue - it was different from One Shot and it didn't turn green after a few years. Coverage was good and the additives they provided actually worked. I used their Bulletin Colors for backgrounds and Lettering Enamel for brush work.
One Shot somehow was able to produce a Magenta after Chromatic came out with theirs.
Somewhere in history Chromatic became a part of One Shot and the process of removing lead and all the other political stuff began the demise of the paints that once were the life-blood of the sign painter.
At every Sign Business show the demonstration area is set up close to the One Shot booth and I spend a lot of time talking to the reps manning the booth...and Tramp, of course. Over and over I have voiced my displeasure with their paints and the reasons that I have switched over to water based paints. They are very cordial and we remain good friends. Tramp has done a tremendous job of making them aware of the problems in the real world of lettering and striping, but nothing major seems to have changed. Their "new" paints do seem to cover better, but the longeivity seems to be the same...although I haven't actually tested them scientifically.
Under the federal guidelines which they have to work, we may be getting the best paints possible. It just may be that we are experiencing the death of paints as we knew them back fifty years ago.
Since my name goes on the work that leaves this studio, I have to be certain that it's going to last and only the best materials are used.
-------------------- Chapman Sign Studio Temple, Texas chapmanstudio@sbcglobal.net Posts: 6306 | From: Temple, Texas, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Holy crap people, ease up on the varsol fumes !!!
You know, in a perfect world, nothing is always perfect. I hear people complain about shrinking vinyl, cheap clients, dull plotter blades, bad clip art, uncalibrated printers and scratchy toilet paper for crying out loud! Doesn't anybody take responsibility for anything anymore???
Yes 1-shot had a spell of problems, I can just imagine being forced to change a paint recepy after so many years because of pressure from overweight, smoking, tree huggers with nothing better to do.
They have solved some and are surely working to solve the rest of their issues, like any business owners would do. I use a lot of 1-shot and I like it. I know a lot of people in the industry that use a lot of 1-shot and they like it too.... Speak up !!!
I've seen 1-shot support meets and a whole bunch of events in a way that no other paint companies ever have.
I'm in no way related to Tramp, I don't know a soul at 1-shot, I pay my way to meets too, I BUY my 1-shot at Canadian Signcrafters and I'm getting nothing for this post, I just want to say that there are far worst issues in our industry to deal with...
You don't like it... don't use it, but pi$$ in your own cornflakes!!!
Everyone else...like Rene mentioned....get a grip!
If you don't like it, quit using it! If the market drops for them maybe they will listen to the complaints. If not, they die.
Any GOOD sign painter will make WHATEVER work for them. Some of you have gone water based...GREAT....don't mean that others are ready to work with quickdrying globbibg crap.
And the main thing... ITSJUSTAF'NSIGN!
You ever heard of repeat biz? If the damn sign lasts for 30 years, you won't have much of that now will ya. I'm not saying produce crap, but if they get 5/10 years out of it and then it needs alittle "refresh", whats wrong with that? My god you folks are creating your own worst nightmare!
If the customer get a quality sign (aka nice layout/color/"pop") then when it starts fading THEY will call you again to fresh in up the old or give them a new! If THEY call bitching about it then YOU did not do your job of selling/explaining what the product will do/last in the beginnng.
Unless you have a LARGE customer base, I would think you would like to see them come back every now and then.
For the record I still use One Shot and Chromatic daily. And I might bitch about coverage every now and then, but you can bet your sweet ass I am not ready to start trying to letter with that waterborn crap......
Let the bashing begin...
Oh, and bashin on Tramp for doing his thing is just a little weak...don't ya think? Guys making a livin supporting them....not makin' the paint
-------------------- Snow's Sign Works 865-908-0076 snowman@planetc.com www.snowsigns.com
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I AM using OTHER paints, like latex paints Jake...they work great! Give it a whirl! I would like to start using THEIR paints again but we would like to know why it is getting worse.
Scratchy Toliet paper? Do they make that too?
-------------------- Mike Meyer Sign Painter 189 1st Ave n P.O. Box 3 Mazeppa, Mn 55956
We are not selling, we are staying here in Mazeppa....we cannot re-create what we have here....not in another lifetime! SO Here we are!!!!!!!
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There really is not any bashing going on at all. Some folks understand reality that is connected to base facts. What a few agree to is just a simple common denominator. The paints that some former professional sign writers used for years happened to be a quality depenable part of what made the "TRADE" something to look forward to being involved in at a certain time in life. It was easy as snot to go to work and enjoy.... beyond belief what you were doing. AND...you had worked your a$$ off to obtain a qualified status that no longer remains today. One of the NUMBER ONE reasons that this ethic of life style was so particular was, the paints. Also many other fine products which have been forgotten and discontinued from shelves to be replaced by the plastic fantastic world of so called sign making today. Believe me, I do under stand progress and it is necessary in these times. Those of us who have a bit of discontent only see that business has replaced quality at the product level and that can not be concidered a gripe. It is more a flat out fact that has everthing else linear, it is phoney as a two dollar bill. Come on With some product that can get beyond a 12 month warranty or QUIT.......!!!!!
Jack
-------------------- Jack Wills Studio Design Works 1465 E.Hidalgo Circle Nye Beach / Newport, OR Posts: 2914 | From: Rocklin, CA. USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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has anyone used Sherwin williams Industrial enamel? I use it to outline my window splashes and it covers excellent. I can get a whole gallon of it for about $30. I haven't used it for much other than window splashes though, but I like what I get for the price.
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Rene, laying down a 1/64 or a 1/32 inch line is a lot different than double coating a letter style for a sign. If you truly believe that stripers aren't any different than sign painters, you haven't been around that long as not all sign painters do pinstriping especially straight uniform lines. Granted things change but usually for the better except when it comes to executive privileges and marketing strategies. Living on reputation is hard when the materials you used all your life becomes a problem with no solution in sight. Yes, 1-Shot has supported live meets in the past and present just like Rapid-Tac and other companies. In my world problems aren't many because I tend to overcome them by my experience in the craft but this particular problem is what happens when change is taken for granted and while other companies tend to their users. Lets look at todays paints like The Kustom Shop EZ Flow paints, they too represent themselves at live meets by supplying paints but yet HoK doesn't have to and yet HoK took their lead out as well and yet coverage is about the same as it once was. Most problems arise when new colors are added to the lineup, colors that haven't the opacity because of the formula. My problems do not extent from those new colors with 1-Shot because I mix those colors but all in all kicking a dead horse isn't going to revive him.
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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I'm a long time o/s user. We still use it nearly everyday in our shop along with many other coatings. There is no "perfect" paint or application method that is suitable for all applications. Not every color in a particular line is good either. Ya, it's probably a "comfort" thing for me, but I sure don't what to loose my old favorite. That said, any company that does not listen to their customers is headed for trouble. No one has all the answers, but frank dialog from both sides is of vital importance. No one supports the Letterhead meets more than one shot. They've always supplied plenty of product. Yes, Tramp is their ambassador, and to me that says a lot about them. I had the pleasure of being around Tramp many times. He is exceptionally skilled. Uniquely he is highly proficient at pin striping, lettering and designing. Best of all he is a knowledgeable, a good teacher and always willing to share. He is not a corporate puppet and I respect both he and One Shot for that. All that said, I had the opportunity to try EZ-flow at Pat Welter's, and I must say I was impressed. It flowed reasonably well, covered and dried really quickly, but not too quickly. If I "had" to use this product, I know I could get used to it. Is it the answer to all my paint problems... no way. Will it "work" the same for ever... not likely. Will the "search" ever end... yes, but not as long as I'm mortal.
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Dawud, industrial enamel is pretty similar to bulletin. It's what I've used for coating out signs for years. Sherwin Williams probably makes the best and as far as lettering with it goes it just might be on a par with the current O.S., probably outlast it too.
If you ever want to bring a tear to an old signman's eyes, mention Sherwin Williams Kem Lustral. Or Dupont's Dulux black or clear
-------------------- George Perkins Millington,TN. goatwell@bigriver.net
"I started out with nothing and still have most of it left"
My brother Steve Robinson started his striping business out with one shot. After a short while he got tired of re-doing stuff. He said he averaged 7 hrs a week doing re-dos.
Eventually he settled on PPG automotive urethane and put me wise to it. Ive been using it exclusively for 14 yrs and would cry if it ever went away.
One shot is unstable and unpredictable.
You know how I hate to contradict you Joey.
-------------------- Bart Robinson Bart Robinson Pinstriping Corpus Christi Texas Posts: 78 | From: Corpus Christi Texas | Registered: Jul 2006
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OK, we make whatever we use work for us. Just how do you make One Shot work for you? Other than making sure you can do a repaint in a few years.
It seems that we spend a lot of time complaining about poor quality and service today and then turn around and are willing to create something that is going to fail in a short period because we can then be assured of getting more work than if we did quality and it lasted forever.
Sorry Jake, that's not my style.
And as a side note. The IOASF was created by the orginal seven Letterheads as a spoof on themselves because they were so passionate about their work. I don't believe that they were saying not to be serious about what we do. Just the opposite. They were (and still are) some of the most intense guys you will ever meet. For them, anything short of perfection is a failure.
Now, to folks outside that realm of Letterhead passion, it can seem that we are putting a lot of emphasis on something that's not all that important (IOAFS), but when my goal is doing only the very best possible and giving the client more than he paid for or expects, then it becomes very serious.
As far as Rene's statement of "if you don't like it don't use it"...I don't and I don't. If something comes along that is better than what I'm using now, I'll switch over to it.
It may be possible to use those enamels and get excellent results, but I can't do it here in Texas.
Edited to add: In response to: "Guys making a livin supporting them.." - I don't think so. Maybe you had better check with Tramp.
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-------------------- Chapman Sign Studio Temple, Texas chapmanstudio@sbcglobal.net Posts: 6306 | From: Temple, Texas, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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"One Shot is unstable and unpredictable." So am I, but people still work with me.
Is OS paint flawed? As much as any other paint line out there udergoing changes.
Should you chuck it all? Probably not unless you've already found a paint to replace it that you can OUTRIGHT KNOW will out perform it.
Is it the universal fix all of paints? No. It's lettering enamel. Says it right on the can, yet there are still many people out there using it for any number of applications and screwing with reducers and other additives to get it to work for whatever need. I'm as guilty as anyone in that sense.
It's no secret that the One Shot has been making changes both in their paint chemistries and their customer relations since the Spraylat deal. Some by choice, some by need, a few by edict.
There are a number of choices out there for paints. Some involve rethinking your methods and a new learning curve. Some are "good old " whatever that have been reformulated recently as well, regardless of the fact that in most instances, they do it without any heads up beforehand. Some have even disappeared virtually overnight.
For what it's worth, I feel Jack, Tramp, Brian, Matt and Kevin are all people who have been fighting a hard fought battle to see the OS paint line not only change, but improve as well. I've never know ANY of them to turn a deaf ear to ANYONE with questions and concerns in the past. They take this stuff to heart and their efforts continue to this day.
Rapid
-------------------- Ray Rheaume Rapidfire Design 543 Brushwood Road North Haverhill, NH 03774 rapidfiredesign@hotmail.com 603-787-6803
I like my paint shaken, not stirred. Posts: 5648 | From: North Haverhill, New Hampshire | Registered: Apr 2003
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I've been using Shot since the early 70's and have noticed a change. It does work best for truck lettering, although I've switched to HOK for striping. It holds up best if you clean the doors well and then use bon-ami or rubbing compound. I use the hardener and penetrol, no problems. On wood or mdo it does seem to chalk up quicker. Have been experimenting with the water base for these and its something I'll be using more of.1-shot lettering on a sprayed satin finish acrylic has a nice look and seems to hold up better than all 1-Shot. If I remember correctly,even when paint had lead in it, maroon, brilliant blue, emerald green & others didn't seem to cover or hold up well and I've always used the lettering enamel 90% of the time. Its always irked me that as we progress everything is of poorer quality.Things should last longer, not the other way around. This is one of the reasons I have not gone in to digital printing. Come on, 3 to 5 years! My 1-Shot lasts longer than that. Also Ronan seems watered down to me. My first post. I've been watching this site for a few years now, but haven't gotten involved because it took me almost an hour to just do this.
-------------------- Bill Reusch Reusch Sign Company 3258 80th. ave. Knapp, Wis. 54749 715-665-2647 Posts: 83 | From: Knapp, Wisconsin | Registered: Aug 2007
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I have been using One Shot lettering color ever since, McDougle Butler, Bissonite Hardcoat dissapeared. I have never had a problem with redoes as with lettering or pinstriping in the past 50 years. Never had a flow problem or adheasion problem in all that time. Can't say the same for vinyl! I have used HOK, thanks any way! I'll continue with OS.
Background painting I have, always used Bulletin color, not one shot lettering colors. Spraying backgrounds you could always get your color match to bulletin colors at your local auto body paint supplier, They have all the codes, in whatever type you desire, single stage, two stage or base coat, clear coat!
I will continue to use One Shot for all my lettering and striping in the future, If it ain't broke, don't fix it! BTW all my work is guaranteed! As well, I have never had to do one over!
By the way, I pay for all my paint supplies, not sponsered by any manufacturer and never will be! Don't have anything belligerent to say about any paint manufacturer!
-------------------- Len Mort Signmaker1.com 11 Juniper Drive Millbury, MA 508-865-2382 "A Good Business Sign, is A Sign of Good Business"(1957) Posts: 811 | From: Millbury, Ma | Registered: Dec 2006
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Several years back I ran out of my 1 Shot black as I was half done with one door of a truck. I searched my shelves and finally opened an old can of the Kem (Sherwin Williams) old bulletin color. Following much stirring I returned to the project. There was a letter with a long decending stroke that broke into this swirl at the bottom. As I pulled this stroke there was just the perfect drag and flow and control. The stroke kept going and going and the coverage remained even. I felt like hooting with joy because it was like what I remembered from my earliest recollections. I think the way paints worked then contributed to the gracefullness of the old lettering where nowdays paints need to be worked so much to get them to do what we want. I really liked getting to feel like I was going for a ride on my brush.
-------------------- The SignShop Mendocino, California
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity. — Charles Mingus Posts: 6724 | From: Mendocino, CA. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Guess I shot from the hip saying one shot is unstable.
Factoring in the beatings cars take in dealer's make ready and the waxes /sealers it's just unpredictable for us volume stripers.
True there is no paint that's perfect, my urethane cures so hard only I can take off a drip or smudge. One of these days a dealer is going to make me pay for a paint job.
I just got on this topic cause I love to wart old Joey.
I like the illustration of how Lee Trevino would putt with a tire iron doing exhibitions to show the tool isn't the most important thing in the process.
-------------------- Bart Robinson Bart Robinson Pinstriping Corpus Christi Texas Posts: 78 | From: Corpus Christi Texas | Registered: Jul 2006
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