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JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE THE REP FROM VOLITILE FREE AT THE NORFOLK NE MEET-NOV 4TH & 5TH DEMONSTRATING AND SELLING FOAM HARDCOAT GUNS. DAVE CORRELL WILL BE DEMONSTRATING SKULLDUGGERY. THANKS ALL KARLOS- 402-379-0611
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For anyone doing work with foam this is a great system. Having a demonstration before using it would be a good thing.
We have used our gun on a number of projects and recommend it highly. Watch for an upcoming article in SignCraft.
-grampa dan
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Henry, I Think the Big Advantage of VF over Styrospray is the VF is not as hard 0n your Lungs or Environment. I Haven't had a chance to use the VF yet as I still have a few gallons of Stryrospay sitting here. It looks interesting but its also hard to teach a old dog new tricks.. I like my comfort zone with the Styrospray.
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The VF stuf is great when you get it right. THINNNN coats work best. Problem with the $600+ gun is that it does not have a cut off or clean out feature. If you have to stop in mid cartrige, it can get tricky. The way we are able to save a cartrige is when your done spraying, tilt the sucker straight up and hit the backup button, (relief) on the back of the gun, then kill the air. Save the little black seperator cap that is on the cartrige and stick it back in before they mix at the tip. Also, ask them to send you a couple extra of the tips for the cartriges (your gonna need them) there is no way to save them. Over eps foam it gets pretty hard (but not kick it hard)but over blue foam (insulation board style) you get it real hard. But the thin coat thing is really the biggy. It will sag on you in a minute. You can sand it but who wants to sand! Just got doing a 4' leaf out of eps and coated it with the stuff. Worked good. But it wasn't the fist rodeo persay. We had a rep come out over a year ago to demo the thing ( he no longer works for VF, I think mainly because he was an idiot and couldn't answer half our questions. Hopefully your rep will be a little more trained. Oh one more piece of advice, the hotter you get the cartriges before you spray ,the better. We use a microwave to heat ours up before using. Good luck!
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I ordered a big bag of extra tips when we got our supplies. They are inexpensive - only a couple of dollars each. I have had little trouble with sagging. Thanks for the microwave tip... never thought of that. I just crank up the thermostat for a short while before we spray.
Our gun paid for itself with only one job.
I wouldn't consider using this product without a very GOOD resparater as it has some nasty ingredients which are harmful until the stuff is catalised.
Its a great and affordable system though for the size jobs most sign shops tackle.
-grampa dan
[ October 20, 2005, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: Dan Sawatzky ]
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Have you ever had any troubles with the VF blistering? We had some of that on our last job.Your right Jake, it's great stuff when you do it right... Karlos
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We did have some problems with blisters on a few carved bears we did last year. For the life of me I could not tell you what caused it . Only thing I can think of is maby we got the second coat on to quick, but it blistered up like crazy. You could actually peel the layer back off. Haven't really had any other problems per say. Just a trail and error toy!
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Your Blistering could be caused from moisture/contaminate in your air line and splattering on your resin when coating.. I know water and resin are Not very frendly together.
I Might be speaking out of turn on this as I have no clue about the VF setup. We just spray the 715 with a hopper gun or brush it on.
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William, that very well could have be the problem. Didn't even think about the simple fix. (Imagine that). Have you ever use the stuff called styrocrete? or is that the same thing as the 715.
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Do you guys have examples of your work that includes this process? I hear a lot about it but am not sure where or when it is appropriate. It's bead board foam carved & hard coated, correct?
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I've posted these before....they were made for a stageset in 300mm 1ft + thick? its about 10ft x 10ft and was coated using rollers, and a hoppergun, its Styrospray 715, I called the VF people the other day as I was interested in finding out more....it seems like its a similar product? anyone know the differences.
Also looked up Styrocrete is that like Rosco Foamcoat in bigger packages??
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I've posted these pics before but here goes again. I also wrote a detailed article for SignCraft which will be in the current issue and will be out starting in the next week or so.
I'm not familiar with the other system so I can't comment on the similarities. In our case we used not only the hardcoat system but also the expanding spray foam system. We roughed out a plane with plywood over a steel frame. Parts were also built using styrofoam. We then sprayed the foam over this, shaped it, and then hardcoated.
It worked pretty slick. I learned a great deal through the process.
-grampa dan
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Dan & Henry- The letter and plane look great too- I had no idea you could spay over wood. We just ordered a case of expanding foam to try. Thanks for the pics guys-Karlos
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I second the motion on the great looking leaf/sign!
-grampa dan
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Thanks guys on the leaf comments. Karl....yes i primed it with Jay cookes (has a good high build) and then sprayed it with One Shot enamels. I'll give the whole thing about 5 years down here the south and hit it with a good clear coat and bring it back again.
Gotta love repeat biz
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