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Chuck Gallagher
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Need to quote a 3' x 16' x 8" single face back lit exterior sign installed 16' up on brick. No wiring with installation, just faces, cabinet and installation. I've got a figure of 3000.00 in mind using a order in sign cabinet, crane work and all labor!

How does this fit with your experience on such work.

Thanks All......

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Chuck Gallagher
Pro Graphics Signs by Design
Cabool, MO
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"I grew up in Letterville"

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that sounds like a good (good for them) price for just the face & cabinet. Sounds way too low with installation... but prices are higher out here.

How complex are the face graphics?

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Doug Allan
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Pretty simple one color logo and some text.

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Chuck Gallagher
Pro Graphics Signs by Design
Cabool, MO
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Barry Branscum
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48 sq ft.....3 grand.... that is a little over 62 bucks a sq ft. I would ask at LEAST that much for just the sign, and then the install plus 20%. I did just a pair of 4x8 FACES for a chines restaurant ez 2 color on white plex, and got 1500 or so....with cherry picker and installation.

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Chuck Gallagher
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Sweet! Thanks Barry since we're in the same neck of the woods. I'll take another look at my estimate.

Thanks for the help

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Chuck Gallagher
Pro Graphics Signs by Design
Cabool, MO
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$75 sq. ft. for sign and cabinet only. the rest I would price it out on an hourly wages. Boom $90/hr 4 hr min. plus additional labour at shop rate for install!

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Denis Renaud
EXIT66 Signs & Graphics
Caselman, ON Can.
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Mark Smith

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Listen to these guys Chuck! [Wink]

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I charged 6K for a 3' x 23' very simple one color text. Used translucent vinyl. Included new cabinet, UL listed, and installation time.


[Cool]

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Thanks everyone! I'll go look at the numbers again.

Have a great day!

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Chuck Gallagher
Pro Graphics Signs by Design
Cabool, MO
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Chuck I did a 4'x32'Back lit no box.Just to remove and reinstall when finished cost me $700.00.

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Randy's Graphics,
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Hamilton Ontario Canada

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Thanks Rick and Randy that helps.

Now I've got another quote to do! I don't hardly get a chance to bid these, but things change! So, could I get some more sq. ft. prices? I Don't want to under bid, but don't want to miss the job either. I figured for around here the 63.00 per sq. ft. was pretty good. It is a bid job and in comparison to Rick's sq. ft. price seems pretty close, but I still would like to know what you guys get around the country though. Hate to leave money on the table ya know!

Thanks again....

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Chuck Gallagher
Pro Graphics Signs by Design
Cabool, MO
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Chuck,

Try it this way:

Cost of cabinet x 1.5 +
Cost of face substrate (acrylic?) x 2 +
Cost of install materials x 2 +
Cost of vinyl x 2 +
Design Time x your design rate +
Production Time x your production rate +
Cost of install labor (subcontracted?) x 1.5

That will give you a good starting place for where the price should be.

Then check that number against the prices in this post. If yours is lower, raise your prices! (grin) - but I'll bet you'll be surprised how much higher it is than $3,000.

Remember not to do work unless it's profitable - otherwise you are trading cash for time in equal value, and could better spend the time on other, more profitable pursuits.

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Mark Smith
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Wow! Thanks for the worksheet Mark. I am winging these since I don't have it set up in Estimate. I'll check it and post it back here too.

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Chuck Gallagher
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Cabool, MO
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Going through Marks sheet I came up with 2985.00. Guess that was pretty close! [I Don t Know]

I'll have probably 8 hours in this job.

Thanks Mark.

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Chuck Gallagher
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Chuck, since your price came out where it did (that actually surprises me a bit) please double check that your hourly rate is where it should be. If so, then this is an item that can bear quite a bit of markup and you should raise the price anyway based on the feedback you've goten here.

Good luck!

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EstiMate Sign Pricing Software
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Hi Mark,

This particular sign is made to size, shipped and does come with the flat faces. I will letter it and hang it. So, maybe that's why it seems low. I will probably adjust it up some but I have to be careful not to get too greedy.

I'll do fine at my original figure, but I would still like to know of some more hard numbers in this area if I could find out. Maybe I do have more room than I think and still be a competitive bid!

Thanks all...

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Chuck Gallagher
Pro Graphics Signs by Design
Cabool, MO
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