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Is there a particular sort of paper used for "paper banners"? If so, I'd be interested in source info... Or do people just use butcher paper? Any thoughts on "proper" paints for the job would also be helpful!
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Yup Cloudy, Butcher paper will do 'er. And tempera paints. Paint with a Foamie! I never tried 1-Shot poster paints but I bet they are sweet. What about Rich Art paint? Saw brandy-new paper banners (well done too!) at the brandy-new grocery store today. So somebody out there is still doing 'em. That was the one thing I always got stuck doing in high school. I could never be a cheerleader, but they always bugged me to do their banners for the "big game"! Love...Jill Sis-Boom-Bah!
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I guess it's KIND of like butcher paper that I get from Newell Paper Co., Demopolis, Al.
It's just white paper with a very, very slight waxed side.It's 36" x 50 yds. for about $40. I used to be able to get it 48" but they don't carry that any more. I use it for patterns too.
I like to roll it out on the floor for the kids to draw, colour an' paint on.
I also use it for tapin' off vehicles for sprayin' or put it under signs I'm sprayin' to reduce dust around the sign.
I use it for a bunch'a things but I ain't ever tried wrappin' any meat in it...
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Catharine, Definitely use the 1-Shot Poster paints. They are oil based and won't pucker the paper. Why paper instead of banner mat'l? Just wondering. There is really cheap polybanner material available, like the Coke banners. Tyvek is a good choice too. Letter it with 1-Shot poster paints too.
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Gene, I do a good many paper banners for birthday parties and such events where the banner will only be used for a few hours.
Perty gud muney, since you can charge about the same as you would for a poly-banner and still get to be very colourful and creative.
To add a lil' strength, like if it's gonna be used out side, I sometimes go around the edge of the back of the banner with 3/4" maskin' tape. Most the time people will be puttin' it across the porch or against the wall of the garage, whatever.
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OH!! PS!! Here's a fun idea-tip for paper banners for graduations. I have done a BUNCH of these for our church kids, as they each grow up and move on . . .
I often draw out a square section (about 18" sq.) and paint a little frame or design around it and we tape the banner up low enough for people to get to this section and write little messages for the graduate. . Many of the graduation banners have hung in the kids dorm room when they went off to college. Most always they cut the signature-frame out and keep it.
Other great places for paper banners:
Anniversary, Retirement, new job, birthdays, Welcome Home, going away, , seasonal office and family parties, reunions....you name it people wanna decorate their party with it
EXTRA P.R. tip...Always ask what colours are being used on the cake, etc, and/or the theme of the party so the banner will match
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You can use One Shot poster, and thin the hell out of it, we use coleman campstove fuel (just cause thats the way I learned and it works). White butcher paper will do, think it's a 20# weight (same stuff we use for patterns). One trick I'll pass on is to do these on a dark bench and layout in white chalk, 2nds of a kind are done right on top of the original. Use a big ole floppy mop on these, like a #20 Luco or a 1" or bigger flat. The secret to these is to knock them out fast, the longer you take on them the worse they come out. There was a time when we banged these out all day long, maybe 2 or 3 dozen in a day.
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Up here, I used to get 80# offset paper in rolls, 24/36/48", beautiful to letter with 1 shot poster flat... is you use 1shot p/f on tyvek, ya gotta move fast! solvents pucker it bad, but most goes away when dry. We used to get Plaka, that was the Sweetest paint, great colours, use on tyvek, waterproof when dry, last outdoors too long!! used sables, sometimes... just letter for the fun of it!! lol those were banner years... pre pc.
if using tyvek for ongoing banner promos, put velcro on banner and window, easy to remove and place banners.
JOhn
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I have a love for paper banners! Grew up on 'em. Seldom get to touch them anymore though. We'd buy 50# Alpine for paper. Good weight, good color, always unwaxed. We'd letter them with sho-card tempera's. Classroom temperas wouldn't flow enough and make you want to learn new dirty words. Pallet the color with water on an old phone book and swing fast. Puckering is minimized by not over working it. Sure strokes with big flats. Kamox seemed best that had lotsa hair. I'd think you could work fine with some of the foam brushes of today's world...just wouldn't be near as much fun!
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Vinyl supply companies often sell a variety of papers on a roll. Here is a short list of paper on a roll from SIGNWarehouse.com They have lots of different kinds of paper there. Just type "paper" in the search box.
For many papers, I think very thinned enamels dont cause warping like water-based paints. Do a test on the paper, to see which paints give the best results. I once used very thin oneshot lettering enamel with good results, but it was black. I don't know how colors would have worked.
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And here are some nice colored paper banners from Staples.com. Staples has many other paper banners. Type "paper banners" in the search box at their site.
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William if you were never in the sign business before this present attempt,how and when would have been using one shot on paper banners enuff times to see warpage?
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I grew up in my dad's shop, which he owned for 20 years. He later managed another sign company for 5 years; I worked there quite a bit as well. Also I tried to start a sign business about 7 or 8 years ago. I did a little over $2000 in profit in 2 years--it was a miserable failure. However, during that attempt I did do ONE paper banner with thinned one shot lettering enamel (it was the paint on hand). I have also seen mineral spirits applied to paper to make it translucent and yet the paper did not warp.
It was my understanding that most papers are held together by a water-based glue, which is why water-based paints cause warpage and solvent-based paints generally do not. I could be wrong about that, tho, that's just what I heard (and the few experiences I have had seemed congruent with that idea).
I freely admit I lack much practical experience, and by all means, Catherine and others should always view my opinions as the voice of INEXPERIENCE. This was the reason for my saying things like "I think" and "do a test."
Point well taken, tho, Gavin.
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Oh, the Sweetness of it all... yesterday, I lettered a small, 18" x 60" tyvek banner for my wife. Teaching aid. Using Pelican product, worked similar to Plaka, with a Grumbacher #14 red sable, old school brush, oh, yes, sable rules!Nocturna for the workaday work, but Sable for the read feel. Oh!
cost...happy wife, ha ha
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When people ask us for paper banners. in most cases it's because they don't want to spend any money. We've found a really good source (free), at our local newspaper. They use large uncoated rolls for the newspaper. When a roll gets near its end, they generally replace it before it's totally empty. Sometimes there will be 100 feet or more on an "end". And the price is just right...
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The problem with using thinned One Shot lettering enamel on paper is that they tend to dry with "high and low" spots. This is because it is a gloss paint.
Not that is a bad thing to do in a pinch, but one really should use the proper tools and materials because it is part of learning proper technique. When one has to adapt good technique to make up for makeshift supplies, the end product suffers.
I honestly can not remember the last time I lettered a paper sign. Sheesh, I remember doing a ton of them even though I tended to be higher priced than most shops for them. I remember the day when certain shops used to specialize in that type of work. The controlled looseness is what I remember the most.
Ah... reminiscing... LOL!
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When people say "butcher paper" be careful not to get the "glazed" version it has wax on one side.
We always order the 20 or 30 pound white Kraft...same as "butcher paper" flat poster paint is best.
I learned to letter on paper banners ...the journeyman would letter the first one then as it dried I'd over lay the first with another blank sheet and copy the first (as you could see the image beneath).Marvelous way to hone your skills!
I haven't done a paper banner in a long time but one day somone asked for one while I was out and Patsee put intermediate vinyl on the paper ...lol the best of both worlds!
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For those of you that have a plotter. (most of us do nowadays) I usually just ask what color they would like the lettering , etc. and only give them a choice of a white banner with one color graphics. Then I plot the design out on the color vinyl they want the lettering in and weed it and don't mask it. Viola!! Paper banner!
Quick and cheap enough!
See ya, R.T.
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I usually just ask what color they would like the lettering , etc. and only give them a choice of a white banner with one color graphics. Then I plot the design out on the color vinyl they want the lettering in and weed it and don't mask it. Viola!! Paper banner!
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