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Has anyone seen a site that might have a good picture of a 1908 Studebaker farm wagon? I have some photos taken just before the wagon was taken apart for restoration, but the detail is missing in places. I need to see what the striping and lettering is supposed to look like, since I have the wagon in my shop in pieces as I write this, I have to get it lettered and on outa here soon.
So can anyone point me in the right direction ? I've been searching the web, but seem to be getting lots of history, but very few pix.....
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-------------------- Jeff Ogden 8727 NE 68 Terr. Gainesville FL, 32609 Posts: 2138 | From: 8827 NE 68 Terr Gainesville Fl 32609 | Registered: Aug 2002
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Have you tried Hemmings or maybe the Studebaker Club of America???? G/L...
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i do research for my pioneer museum. if you type in google "antique truck museum", there are many web sites listed. the one i found was from out west. it had many photos, they have farm vehicles also. great pics. originals in sepia tones. clear lettering and details. hope this helps. lots of info out there. good luck, fiddles
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I'll try & help you after the weekend. There's a bloke in USA who I sort of know who's done up a fair few of them, just can't remember his name- maybe Sturgis Carriage Works or something like that?
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Thanks for replies.. no luck yet but still looking. This is a horse drawn wagon, like a buckboard, used to haul supplies, not people.The Studebaker bros. had a plant in South Bend, Ind. that made lots of these...they were known to be very durable. The overall color is green on the boards I have, and the owner thinks the striping and letters were yellow, and the logo was shaded in black. undercarraige was red. Who said those old folks were conservative ?
-------------------- Jeff Ogden 8727 NE 68 Terr. Gainesville FL, 32609 Posts: 2138 | From: 8827 NE 68 Terr Gainesville Fl 32609 | Registered: Aug 2002
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I striped and lettered a replica of the Studebaker Jr. wagon a couple years ago. I live about 15 minutes from the Studebaker Museum in South Bend, In. and the man I did the wagon for took several pictures at the museum of one they have. It wasn't original, at least I don't believe is was. I found a picture of one on the net from the LaPorte, In. Museum and drove down there to see it. (about 45minutes away) I couldn't find it and finally asked where is was. They had it in storage, but were nice enough to let me in the storage room to find it and take some pictures. I feel that one was more accurate.
I have pictures on disk and in print, but do not know how to send them via this website.
If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send you copies over the weekend. I have emailed pix before, but the files always end up so big. If I save the pix to Corel, or Photoshop, can you open those files?
Let me know, Pam
-------------------- Pam Eddy Niles, MI ple@qtm.net Posts: 460 | From: Michigan | Registered: Dec 2000
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Pam.. That may be the one I'm looking for...not sure about the jr. part. If you want to send the pix from the museum that would be GREATLY appreciated on this end.
My address is at the bottom of this post.Thanks for your trouble, and thanks again to all who are looking too.
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Pam, Reducing the size of your pictures in CorelDraw is very easy.I'm using CorelDraw9. 1.Open your picture in Corel, then select it, pull it down with the mouse to fit within the 8 1/2" x 11" frame. 2.With picture selected, click File/Export.Select the folder(My Doucuments for example) you want to save your picture in,name the picture so you can find it later, then select JPG as the format to save your picture in. 3.When the Export window appears select RGB Color or CMYK Color,make sure 1 to 1 is selected under Size,then under Resolution..select 72 dpi(this is all you need for internet photos).Click OK and you are done. 4.Then attach your jpg file to an email.
Hope this is easy to understand! Judy
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Yes Dave, that's the wagon...I found that picture too, and a couple others, but you can't see the stiping or the lettering very well. The logo for Studebaker back then was kindof a what-I'd- call a carraige block on a wavy "ess" curve. The "S" was taller, and the "r" descended. The "o" and "u" were 45'ed on the corners, similar to the princeton font, but it looks like maybe all the corners were slightly rounded. I was hoping for a close-up of course, but will settle for what I can get at this point. Pam may have the pictures I need, only I was hoping to do this job over the weekend. If I have to wait, then I have to wait, that's all. I got to reading some of the history as I was surfing around...there's some pretty interesting stuff about the Studebakers. Seems like they built some pretty tough wagons back in their day. My wagon owner doesn't seem all that concerned with getting the painted stuff real exact, but it's just in my nature to want to research this thing a little further. I guess that's what makes this trade so interesting for me...little jobs like this that come in.
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I got your pix... Pam. I think I'm ready to move forward on this. Each picture I see is a little different than the previous one, so I guess the paint jobs varied slightly according to who was painting it. Either that, or all the ones I have been seeing are repaints.
I wonder if the US Patent office has a record of all the old registered trademarks ?
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Jeff- from the picture in that link, I may be able to help you: the wheels are generally striped by running a forked broad line (say 1/2" wide) (forked at the hub end of the spoke on the flattest/broadest side), running parallel up the spoke towards the felloe/tyre end, and then they stop and run out towards the front edge, go over the front, and underneath to meet up with the same line on the underside. It's a particular wheel striping style almost never seen in Australia, but very common on vehicles in USA expecially circus waggons. You can make out where the line crossed out around the front edge of the spoke, maybe 4/5 of the length of the spoke out from the hub. From that picture, it's faint, but a pair of double broadlines around the hub, inside & outside is appropriate, and they've put nothing on the felloes. (wooden segments onto which the tyre is shrunk). The edge of the tyre looks to have been blacked (inside & outside). On the other hand, there may be traces of a light coloured broad line around the felloes. It's usual to put a simple design on the base of the spokes on the triangular bit where the spoke meets the hub (outside only). Sometimes it's just a sideways broad line, and a fine-line triangle or dart, running up the spoke.
The seat panels and body panels show a light coloured broad line, with a similarly light coloured distance fine-line turning into a fine-line scroll in the corner of each panel.
I'd guess they stencilled the lettering, but the rest would have been painted. The line over the middle of 'Studebaker' looks like the brake pull rod.
P.S. Overall, it's painted in ground colours where the body is dark & the wheels and undercarriage is light. (eg medium cream underneath, deep red top, lines could be cream broad lines on the body, white fine lines there, and black lines on the undercarriage. (That's working from the sepia/brown picture)
Let me know if you need more info on the wheel striping. Hope this helps.
The books "Working Horses" by Charles Phillip Fox- (Heart Prairie Press, Wisconsis, 1990), and "Horse Drawn Commercial Vehicles" by Don H Berkebile, (Dover Publs, NY 1989) might help you- lots of different Studebakers in the second- none are that particular one tho'.
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Pam. I think I'm ready to move forward on this. Each picture I see is a little different than the previous one, so I guess the paint jobs varied slightly according to who was painting it. Either that, or all the ones I have been seeing are repaints. 
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