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The client has a porch coming off of a main building and want a sign mounting on the sloping porch roof. Property is 3 blocks from the ocean with high winds. I'm thinking we will have some sort of brackets but the bottom line is we will be putting holes in the roof. We haven't done this type of installation before - any tips or suggestions on putting holes in roofs without leakage would be welcome!
-------------------- Jean Shimp Shimp Sign & Design Co. Jacksonville Beach, Fl Posts: 1266 | From: Jacksonville Beach, Fl. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Diagonal supports, for sure, Jean. But given the area and the wind, I would try to make sure the attaching points for whatever supports you decide to use, bolt into the roof trusses, rather than just the plywood or whatever type of underlayment they have.
Heavy silicone around the attaching bolts should protect everything OK.
And yes, the guys below are correct. I forgot to mention, that if a leak happens anywhere in the vicinity of the sign, it's probably going to be your fault.The only consolation is, that if it's above a porch, instead of the building proper, it may not be much of an issue. Good luck.
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some installs.........are better to be done by someone in the building trade or by the owner..... anytime they want holes in their roof.YOU KNOW WHEN IT LEAKS.......YOU ARE GONA BE CALLED TO FIX IT??? sorta like when you take your car to the shop, to fix one thing.......and a week later you discover something else is wrong......of course its the last shops fault)))))))) this one i wold pass on and more then likly it will REQUIRE A PERMIT......and will have to pass inspection of the county/city code.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Somebody must be tampering with the time/space equilibrium; 'cause Joe keeps being dead on the money..once in awhile, yea maybe, but this is weird. Anyway, you could be working only on one corner of a 60' X 100' building; and if a leak happens at the diagonal corner, it's your fault. I've heard that one a lot, for me it was the flood light fixtures. I installed a plywood sign on a bright sunny afternoon. Next time it was noticed that the lights didn't work, my fault, of course. Another weird thing is that I haven't worked on a roof mounted sign in years. About 20 minutes ago I got a call to make and install a new one. (Cue Twighlight Zone music) My thought was that adhesives have come a long way recently, so maybe I could rely entirely on them, no holes needed. If it's not a shingle roof anyway.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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This is an old sign I fabricated, hand lettered and installed on a roof of a new restaurant, a few years ago.
The sign is 4 ft x 20ft.....The face of the sign is made with baked aluminum sheets, gauge ,040, and riveted to an aluminum square ( 2" x 2" ) tube structure......I used aluminum angular extrusions ( 1" x 1" ) to trim cap the outside border of the sign.
This is not a perfect photo to illustrate the complete installation, but I think that it will give you an idea of how I installed this sign.
Notice that at the ends of the sign I used custom made steel angles to support the sign perpendicular to the ground ( I designed them and a welder made them for me ).....These were screwed, as you can see, to the bottom edge of the frame of the sign and, also, to the roof, at each end......Then, from three points on the top edge of the sign ( left, center and right ), I ran three diagonal supports, to the surface of the roof, where each one was securely bolted to the surface of the roof.
The sign is, still, in place and, trust me, it has endured the rough weather of Oklahoma for the past 9 years.
I hope this helps.
RD
P.S. --- Here you will see other ways of installing signs.....Who knows?.....It might help, too.
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bout time you guys start seeing things my way........ JAMES))))))))) your all a hard bunch to train))))))
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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rusty.you be the exception to the rule..... UN-T R A I N A B L E)))))))))))))))))
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Would avoid installing on roof at all costs with hurricane winds we get in Florida.
Another choice would be use.. skids so that you not putting holes in roof but using weight to hold it down, which sign can be removed when a hurricane goes by
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The more I think about it the more I agree with those who have said to pass on it. Hurricanes can be pretty brutal. I am going to call a couple of local roofing companies and see if they are interested in installing it. If so, I'll let them work directly with the client. I'll have to convince them to pull the permit too.
-------------------- Jean Shimp Shimp Sign & Design Co. Jacksonville Beach, Fl Posts: 1266 | From: Jacksonville Beach, Fl. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I don't know about Jacksonville, but I seem to remember, when I lived in Florida, that there were certain towns which would not allow free standing signs on top of the roofs of the buildings.....and they would not issue permits for that type of installation.
I would suggest that you either talk to your Building Inspector or check the sign code for information on this type of installations.
I don't know about Jacksonville, but I seem to remember, when I lived in Florida, that there were certain towns which would not allow free standing signs on top of the roofs of the buildings.....and they would not issue permits for that type of installation.
I would suggest that you either talk to your Building Inspector or check the sign code for information on this type of installations.
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Did one once and it was a lighted sign cabinet. Best I can remember I carefully lifted the shingle tabs, attached pieces of aluminum flat bar or galvanized angle (can't remember which), tarred them back down. Ran the electricity through a hole in the decking with silicone or roofing cement. That was about 7 or 8 years ago so my memory on that is a little fuzzy. Whatever you do, make sure you use stainless steel or galvanized fasteners, use roofing cement on every hole, and always attach to the rafters/trusses: never just to the decking. It also helps if you have roofed a few houses.
[ March 02, 2015, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: Wayne Webb ]
-------------------- Wayne Webb Webb Signworks Chipley, FL 850.638.9329 wayne@webbsignworks.com Posts: 7403 | From: Chipley,Florida,United States | Registered: Oct 1999
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