I have blocked out the names of all the named description parts of every letter, which is darkened. The darkened spot is what you will try to name.
For instance the letter "q" has a blocked out space and in that space you would put the word "descendar". Ok...that one is easy. Also the line below the "hijlkmn" is called a "base line"...but what is the line called that is above that? Do you know?
If you know who hand painted this chart, and know what magazine it was printed in and what year and month, you will prove you have the "right" stuff to teach "Letterheadism"
a = ? b = ? c = ? d = ? e = ? f = ascender (no brainer) g top = ? g bottom = ? h = ? i = ? j = dot ( no brainer k = ? l = ? m = ? n = ? line above the n = ? line below the n = base line (no brainer) line through the o =? o = ? p = ? q = descender q top = spur ( I'll give you that one) r = ? s = ? t = ? u = ? v = ? w = italic ( I'll give you that one also) x = ? up and down arrow by x = ? y = ? clue...sometimes you scratch yourself here! & = ? z = ? ae = ligature ( that one is a killer)
Bonus question: What New Jersey Sign Professional hand painted this age old typography chart?
Tripple bonus question: What magazine, year, month and page number is this chart pictured?
Here are the names of the parts...you have to match them with the letters! ----------------------------------------- tail arms crotch x-height waist-line stroke italic hairline-stroke axis swell bowl descender spur link crossbar spine counter swash serifs carrots stem shoulder brackets entrance-serif and exit-serif bar ascender ear knob stress base-line loop ligature dot and another bowl ------------------------------------------
Good luck Letterheads!
[ May 28, 2003, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: Dave Draper ]
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
Boy, you've got a lot of time on your hands don't ya?
Posted by Bob Stephens (Member # 858) on :
that one letter looks a lot like bollocks to me.
Posted by Bill Cosharek (Member # 1274) on :
I think I know to which letter the x-height refers & which line also.
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
As for the lettering artist.... my guess would be the world famous (and really neat guy, besides) Al Zanetti
So... do I win a prize?
Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
My guess for the calligrapher is Raymond DaBoll
Posted by Jim Pooler (Member # 3471) on :
Oh man, I didn't know there would be a test... Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
It was a well thought out alphabet with a lot of effort put into having every feature named, in an old Signcraft magazine- but do you think I can remember which one!!! Good test tho'!
Posted by Dave Draper (Member # 102) on :
We have a bonus Winner!
Bruce Bowers has correctly identified the artist.
But the names are still not matched with the letter parts.
The name of the magaine and the location has not been discovered.
Keep working on this!
[ May 29, 2003, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: Dave Draper ]
Posted by Bill Cosharek (Member # 1274) on :
Excuse me Mr. Draper, but was my answer not clear enough for you? The only thing further I'd mention here is I think the "u" would appear better without that non-contrasting (black) center. Also, I think the "a" & "e" are too close together on the bottom.
Posted by Raymond Chapman (Member # 361) on :
If we don't answer, do we still get to be Letterheads?
Posted by Barb Schilling (Member # 13) on :
Al Zanetti's "Anatomy of an alphabet" Signcraft, Jul/Aug 2000 (No. 113) pg 16.
a: bowl b: stress c: knob d: entrance and exit serif e: bar f: ascender g: ear and loop h: shoulder i: brackets J: dot k: swash l: stem m: carrots n: serifs waist line base line o: axis and swell p: bowl q: descender and spur r: link s: spine t: crossbar u: counter v: hairline stroke w: italic x: stroke x-height y: crotch &: tail z: arms ae: ligatiur
I'm not so smart - I looked it up on Signcraft's web site, then found the issue in my archives. Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
Imagine my surprise when I signed on to the BB this morning! I stayed off the post until now so as not to tip the answer. I have the original of that piece hanging in my living room so I did't think it was fair if I played.
Thanks Dave, he would have greatly appreciated the "reminder".
Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
Excuse the off to the side shots but I didn't want to remove the glass to avoid the glare from the flash.
Posted by goddinfla (Member # 1502) on :
Bill, perhaps you should invest in a GPS unit. Methinks you're lost.
Posted by Dave Draper (Member # 102) on :
Kimberly,
I was digging out some old magazines and this isuue fell on the floor and opened to this very page.
I looked at it, and thought, that is so kewl, I don't even remember it!
I scaned it and printed it out on the Edge, 12 inch ( 1 foot square), mounted it to a piece of Sintra and mounted the Sintra, 45 degrees on a 4" PVC pipe 4 feet tall, and it greets people as they come into our shop!
You dad was very special. I never got to meet him and I will be forever robbed of that experience. You are his legacy now. Thanks for sharing this piece of history and residing here in Letterville!
Good detective work Barb. We know who to ask now when we need to find ANYTHING! You have a gift.
Bruce...how did you know? Lucky guess?
Bill, good luck on the next TRIVA pursuit!
[ May 29, 2003, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: Dave Draper ]
Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
Are the answers gonna be in the next Official Not-for-profit Letterhead Organization Monthly Newsletter? I forgot to send in my dues, can I still play? Dang. Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
Dave,
I'd love to see a picture of it hanging in your shop.
BTW, you are now on my list of Letterheads, including Ray Chapman and Bill Riedel who can make me smile and bring tears to my eyes at the same time.
Speaking of Bill...haven't seen you post in a while...all okay my friend?
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
So, hey Kimberly... What am I? Chopped liver? LOL! Just don't make me eat chopped liver...
Have a great one!
Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
You, Mr. Bowers, were going to get your very own private email! I was impressed but not surprised that you hit the nail on the head.
Posted by Dave Draper (Member # 102) on :
Kimberly,
Maybe there is enough interest in your dad's poster to make a print available, and not to just letterheads, but everyone! Posted by Dave Draper (Member # 102) on :
Kimberly,
The sign is at the back under my Logo sign. The second picture shows its location better!
[ May 29, 2003, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: Dave Draper ]
Posted by Bill Cosharek (Member # 1274) on :
Thanks for the closeup picture, Kimberly. It proves my 1st answers to be correct. I'm just defending what I know, unless my sources are incorrect. See the lower-case "x" & see the indication of x-height to the right of it? The size of the lower-case "x" is used to indicate "x-height". And the line which indicates the height of non-ascending lower-case letters is known as the "x-height line". How many typographical sources do I need to provide in order to prove this? Below is one.
Well ... I thought I had a source for the line name but at least I got the "x-height" letter right. I know I read somewhere of the "midline" also refered to as the "x-height line". But, of course, now I can't find it.
The following website provides much info on Typography.
Search for the tutorial called: "Anatomy of the letterforms". In it you'll find many examples showing two-tone letters similar to Kimberly's Dad's chart.
I'm sure there are many other websites. Do a search in your favorite search engine for typography.
Happy Hunting.
Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :
I don't get it????
But I would invest in the print,just because of who done it.
BTW..This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE to anyone having used "cold type" from a California Job Case EVEN Cam Bortz, while using a hot lead linotype! Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
A poster or print sounds like a fine idea but I have neither the capabilities, energy, finances or time for such a project any time soon. If anyone out there in Letterville has the capabilities to produce such a print, I'd be happy to work with you to do it.
Posted by bill riedel (Member # 607) on :
Hi Kimberly, yes, this old guy is still well and keeping busy. Came close to checking out when riding a Quad (off road 4 wheel vehicle) it flipped foward and over throwing me about 20 feet down the side of the mountain. It started sliding down hill and the wheels got stuck in a depression and away I went. Believe it or not, I walked away with only a bruised knee. My son now calls me Evil Kneivel. Everyone gets a big laugh out of the fact that a 75 year old guy flipped the quad.
You have contributed so much to this forum that youhave a special place in all of our hearts. Al certainly produced a very special person in you.
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