I sent Bruce B. this picture and he saw the same issues I did. Anything odd to you? Posted by Kevin Mann (Member # 7161) on :
Seems to be cutting in reverse. Laying down the white first
Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
I'd do the lettering before the outlining and then the shadow. The letters get cleaned up by the outline. The way he's doing it is how I'd do it on the inside of a window. Also, I've never been inclined to letter on a table. How does he reach the letters in the middle?
[ November 27, 2012, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: Rick Sacks ]
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Interesting how the white is perfectly covering that red, too. One coat!
Posted by Ian Stewart-Koster (Member # 3500) on :
Perhaps black & white vinyl on red dibond, and he's just pretending...?
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
I don't use a mahl stick but that doesn't look like right, maybe it's just me. The brush is mighty small also
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i was gona say the same thing george, why such a small brush? unless hes just touching up....BUT he got a couple more letters to fill with white. also i would be doing that on an wall easel not in that position. also looks like the black IS VINYL, and hes just filling the white with paint.....
Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
Kinda weird.
I, really, really, hate to say this ......but, although it does not look like traditional sign painting ( to me ), still,......
"the order of the factors does not alter the product"...... ( Pythagoras )
On the other hand, maybe this is what they are calling "traditional sign painting", nowadays....
RD
Posted by Kent Smith (Member # 251) on :
I think this is a set-up just for a good photo. Been criticized for doing similar photos in the past. Still, there is a difference between sign painting and hand lettering.
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
That is more my conclusion Kent. I like your distinction between sign painting and hand lettering also.
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Wow!
What a bunch of picky-picky grouches!
It is a "Photo OP"!
They probably came in wanting a pic when he was laying down some vinull ... (horizontal surface instead of vertical -and- black outline/drop shade,then white letters) ... so he grabs a mahl stick and a brush to do a "Let's Pretend"!
99% of today's sign makers would never notice!
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
I think Si probably nailed it...and we should hunt this guy down and arrest him for fraud...I also like the way Si spelled "vinull"...it should be the official way to spell it...makes more sense than that other way...whatever that way it is...seems I never get it right either.
[ November 28, 2012, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
On second thought.....I would have to agree with the photo OP deal......Thank you, Si, for putting us in that, so exclusive, 1% group....We can't help it.
RD
[ November 28, 2012, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: Ricardo Davila ]
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
Well if he is laying down vinyl, how is the craft enduring?
Posted by Pat Welter (Member # 785) on :
Well, I won't speculate on if its vinull or paint, but I sure don't see much paint on that easel. but Si's right we are a bunch of picky OSPs( old sign painters).
Posted by Bruce Evans (Member # 44) on :
Even if it were vinyl, not the way i would do it. The small top line would be my method. black background/outline then lay some white vinyl down.
It almost looks like he's trying to save on his white vinyl and paint in the centers after he put down the large black panel.
The edges don't look primed or painted either. Bottom left almost looks like some black paint showing through from below.
Posted by Rick Janzen (Member # 7227) on :
It's funny so much negative energy is being directed at his sign. His name is Sean Starr and he does drop by from time to time. I sure you wouldn't feel so good if a group of fellow sign makers criticized your work on a public forum. I'm sure we could find fault with others work if we wanted. I'm sure most of you have used computer generated patterns, paint mask and so on. I know for a fact that Sean is very passionate about sign making, and also the history behind the craft. He has also taken the time to create a sign related site at http://traditionalsignmaker.com/ where he features other sign painters and sign related videos. I understand constructive criticism, but that's not what this post seems to be about. Gee...what a way to make someone want to be part of the forum.
[ November 28, 2012, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: Rick Janzen ]
Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
Rick......Those are, really, words of wisdom !!....Love your work, just in case.
RD
[ November 28, 2012, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: Ricardo Davila ]
Posted by Pat Welter (Member # 785) on :
Rick, Well said...I may have misunderstood or mistook this one as being some freindly ribbing...But your insight has put a different spin on it for me...Thanks.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Well in the original post David did ask the question..."Anything odd to you?"...so that starts off with a negative spin...I honestly think that if this sign had been presented in portfolio that there would not have been one single negative remark...only compliments...so one has to take into account the context surrounding these negative remarks.
Posted by Kelly Thorson (Member # 2958) on :
Thanks Rick.
Posted by Cal Trauter (Member # 10938) on :
Sign painting / hand lettering, if it's swinging a brush, or in some cases a roller I love it. It's how I make a living and have fun too. As in the BC comic strip quote "technique, smechnique in a thousand years they will eat it up." Keep the faith Brother. With Love from your brother of the brush. Cheers-Cal. Posted by Bob Sauls (Member # 11321) on :
Mr. Starr is a forum/telephone friend of mine a personal friend of John Arnott. With his Traditional Sign Maker Magazine, and help with the most recent Signpainter Movie and Book by the same folks and recent lectures to college art students about the craft, He has certainly done his part to keep the traditional aspects of this craft alive. He has done all of this inspite of relocating his shop from San Francisco to Texas in a dicey economic time. Kudos to Mr, Starr!
Posted by Donald Miner (Member # 6472) on :
To each, his own. Maybe we should be less negative and respect the man for his talent. It is apparent to me that he knows what he is doing. I have been in this crazy business for over 52 years and met many a sign painter and seldom would find any two painters, who plied their craft the same way. "Hand Lettering Forever". Peace, Don
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
Nobody is knocking Mr. Starr, please don't feign offense for another man's feelings. This was posted as a curiosity and is more about Signs of the Times portrayal of preserving the "enduring craft".
So we figure it is a photo op for the article, fine. The man does nice work, just odd to those who paint ilooking at the picture. I am sure he doesn't use the implied process shown. No big deal.
Posted by Ricardo Davila (Member # 3854) on :
Check, please !!
RD
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
Sean's a cool guy who is passionate about the craft of sign painting. He and his wife dropped in to visit when they were on their scouting trip for the move back to Texas and they live less than thirty miles away from me now. I do owe him a visit to his shop and will get up there soon. We'll be seeing much more of each other in the future.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
That was just a terrific video. Thanks for the post Rusty.
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
I just watched the video. I've known his apprentice, Taylor Darley, since Taylor was just a little boy.
Posted by John Lennig (Member # 2455) on :
photo-op yes! always a dry brush most of the time too. I've painted with Sean in SF and Big Bear...it was a Brouhaha too, but even tho he uses the wrong hand(hey, any hand in a pinch, eh?) it's all paint at Starr Studios. But wait, if you Buy Now, I will send you All my Paint like a Left-Hander Tapes, at no extra cost, Shipping and Fondling extra, some conditions apply, others will arise as the toxins take hold-we accept PayBuddy and BarterBros .
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