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""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3484 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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Rick, we don't know the objective of the contest and it's very hard to see the detail to answer your question but I'll say this...#1 is the most readable and seems to have a balanced layout...#2 lacks contrast and seems too busy....#3 is, well, umm, probably the one that won! (Must have been a bunch of "designers" on the judging panel)
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I agree with Gary - what is the actual MESSAGE the organisers wanted to convey? The one on the right looks like a duck, tipped sideways...
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"...there are no limits when you aim for perfection..." Jonathan Livingston Seagull Posts: 7014 | From: Highgrove via Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia | Registered: Dec 2002
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The one on the right was indeed the winner. My grandson is shown displaying his to the left. I want him to learn from this that even when you're clearly the better option, those who are in judgement, (or buying) position do not always have the skills to make the best call.
He was encouraged by your comments which were much like mine.
""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3484 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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I'll go with Gary...he sounds like a good judge on design...when I am designing... or even painting a landscape... I will often back way out so as to better see readability and overall composition...from this small pic it is easy to see your grandson's is best.
By the way judging is so subjective...I was once asked to judge a photo competition...one of the entries came from a well known professional photographer...he had won awards all over for his work...years ago had been involved in shooting tv show Hee Haw...so this man had skills and talent and I liked his work...but apparently not as much as he did...for the judging names had been hidden...turns out that I didn't even place him among the 4 awards... in my subjective opinion his photo had a tragic flaw in the composition...how light and dark elements are arranged in a composition will lead the eye...I was lead right off the edge of the photo and in dramatic fashion might I add...it was a show stopper for me...I didn't even place his photo...well all hell broke lose after the judging...the photographer got in cussing battle with the president of the club over my qualifications to be a judge...and I probably wasn't qualified to judge as a photographer...I only used my instincts as an artist to judge...and I only judged as a favor to the club president who was familiar with some of my art work and was having a problem finding someone...well some artist apparently need their egos stroked and can't accept rejection...conflict continued to grow over the next few weeks and more people became involved in the brouhaha...in the end the club president quit and the club broke up...I will never again judge a competition of any kind...recently went to a show at Columbia State College...I was not in agreement with who got ribbons and in what order...but it didn't bother me...it was one person's opinion and it differed from mine.
The upload limit is indeed 60k and it's recommended to be no more than 500 pixels wide. At 72 dpi, that's 6.944" width. I set my photos to 6.944" width, then export them as .jpg at 72 dpi and check the size. I export as RGB and might have to drop the quality to 70 or 80% but I can usually get a fairly large and legible photo onto the server here. I work from Corel and some of the settings might be slightly different in another program.
As far as judging the photo is concerned, I agree with the comments above.
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I guessed from the start that the one that made little sense would be the winner. That kind of crap is invading the commercial art world along with another trend I can't stand, light gray type on a white background. Making a logo that makes sense is no longer necessary as it seems they want results so far outside the box that all the rules of layout are gone. From what I see your grandson's logo is very nice and I'm glad he's not discouraged.
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Years ago I enter one of my watercolors in a regional contest with hundreds of entries and won "Best of Show" along with a cash prize. About six months later, I entered the same painting in a local contest with about 50 entries and didn't even get an Honorable Mention. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
That is the reason I question the validity of some of the sign design contests where the judges are interior decorators.
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I agree that the left rendering is most legible and conveys some sort of message. But like others have said, "what was the message supposed to convey???"
Ian..the one on the right looks more like a bird of some sort tipped on it's back? (what message does that convey?)
I can't read the middle one at all, even with Joe's enlarged version, on my smallish 28" monitor.
I guess a better explanation of the "project" and a better resolution of the picture would help greatly Wayne???
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The contest was for the countys Promise Zone for guaranteed assistance with college education for qualifying students. They enlisted the Graphic Arts program at the local tech center
I thought the contest was a great incentive program for the second year students. To be clear, this is not a complaint for the contest. I was just amazed at the clear difference in talent of these three students.
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""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3484 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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How does the one on the left NOT convey the message perfectly? I mean a shape repeated and overlaid in three different colors just screams guaranteed assistance with college education, no? That's about 3 minutes work in illustrator right from a tutorial.
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Yes... the left one communicates a message - the other two fail at that task.
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