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yup. he was a mid-level talent that was very talented at commercial exploitation. Kitschy. I do hope and pray his family find peace in this difficult time.
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He was one those "Right Place, Right Time" kind of artist. Kinda Like the Bev Doolittle and Patrick Nagel types.
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Or Walter Keane, they guy who got rich painting sad little girls with the dilated pupils.
The part I like best about the Kinkade story is this:
"The University of California Berkeley graduate had a strong faith in God, which served as the foundation for his artwork.
"In 2010, his production arm, Pacific Metro of Morgan Hill, Calif., filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection a day after a $1 million payment was due to former Kinkade gallery owners who won a judgment after claiming Kinkade used his Christian faith as a tool to fraudulently induce them to invest in his galleries . . . "
Ah, what a strong faith can do for a person.
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May he rest. His work made many happy. Many of those folks would have never bought a piece of art, ever otherwise.
While he was never one of my favorite artist and I am speaking of his style itself. I would never speak to his authenticity as a person, especially before his body was cold.
Folks these kind of cheap shots when not called out lead to forum desertion. Its happening.
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It implies that Kinkade was a phony, claiming to be a very sincere Christian and using that for marketing, all the while he is acting like anything but a true Christian. And the reason I thought it worth noting is that there are countless other examples of people like him, many of them in politics and show biz, who shd be ostracized by sincere Christians.
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Dennis, I am a newer partaker on Letterville. I confess that I am a resident some where else. I would very much like to see your artwork. Could you please post some things in the portfolio section sometime this week?
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quote: who shd be ostracized by sincere Christians.
judge not lest ye be judged.
I liked his artwork,, But I never had any in the house..
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Well, since I know I'm being judged all the time anyway, I might as well do some of my own.
If you Google quotes about "judging" they're all against it. But if you Google "protest" they all condemn silence and complacency. It seems that every word in the language has become a buzzword.
“To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.” --Abe Lincoln
-------------------- dennis kiernan independent artist san francisco, calif, usa Posts: 907 | From: san francisco, ca usa | Registered: Feb 2010
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"Wow... I was having a hard time trying to figure out why the intense Christian bashing... then I notice 'San Francisco, CA.' Now it makes sense."
OK. I'll spare you my firstt reaction and just say this: I criticized ONE specific guy who called himself a Christian but wasnt much of a real Christian at all. Where do you get this "intense Christian bashing"?
And what's with it making sense because I'm in SF? Do you think if you move to SF they'll grab you and turn you into a clone? Do you think all SFers are Christian bashers? What exactly do you mean by "it makes sense"?
"I'm fairly confident I could follow around atheists, believers, the self-proclaimed 'tolerant' .... or even you, Dennis - and find hypocrisy in your own life."
So what? Have I ever claimed to be faultless? One thing I am not guilty of is to use my supposed strong faith to bilk people out of their money. Why do you object to someone being critical of that?
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I walked into a Kinkade gallery once, quite a few years ago. Although his style and subject matter didn't appeal to me, I was impressed by the presentation of Kinkade's work. In my opinion his design and composition skills were very good, and he certainly knew how to paint. The man was talented.
Similar to Bev Doolittle, Kinkade had a gimmick. Doolittle hid secondary images in her paintings; Kinkade illuminated his paintings with a hyper-realistic glow. I never thought there was anything evil or distasteful about it, and still don't. His gimmick doesn't appeal to me, and I don't care for his choice of colors. But, I don't feel comfortable dismissing his work. There are plenty of talented artists who create work that doesn't appeal to me.
I did some reading, and he does have his critics - artistic and personal. Accusations don't equate to actions. Too many times I have seen the media or some embittered party create rumor and accusation without substance. For this reason I take no stance on whether he was a fraud or hypocrite. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn't. He will have the opportunity to stand before the Judge and explain himself. He may very well have it coming. But then again, we ALL have it coming in one way or another. Here's hoping we all get better than we deserve.
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Come on -- how about at all the times someone has shown here some godawful sign somebody did and everybody here has ripped it to shreds. As it deserved.
And just because a lot of people like something and pay money for it doesnt mean it's any good. Look at some of the trash that's popular on TV or in the movies.
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I'm not trying to pick on you Dennis, or pick a fight with you. My initial question was clarify whether you had something against Christians in general. It's fine if you do (or don't). I was just curious.
If we were asked to give a critique of a piece of artwork I would have no problem with that. I felt like I did give a critique of Kinkade's work. It is very competent, but not in a style that I appreciate. The drawing is sound. The composition is solid. It is well executed, and well presented. The subject matter isn't what I would choose to hang on my walls. The color choices are too surreal for my taste. The glowing lights don't do anything for me. But, in my opinion there is nothing wrong with painting a fantasy world. If people like it and pay money for it, so much the better.
It is not okay to cheat or defraud people, but without more information I won't make assumptions about his actions or character. Listening to ex-spouses argue is proof enough for me that there are two sides to every story, and some people do make things up to suit their purposes. He may very well be deserving of the criticism, but I can't verify it. If he really did have a strong faith in Christ, and he was sincerely fighting imperfections, I hope he finds peace.
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Russ, "It is not okay to cheat or defraud people, but without more information I won't make assumptions about his actions or character."
If I read the story correctly, I think the judge ruled that he had defrauded a bunch of gallery owners when they sued him, mentioning that he had used religion as part of his pitch.
I dont know just why it is that a lot of people here are so upset, but I'll say no more about it.
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Perhaps all of us just took the way you wrote, "Ah what a strong faith can do for you." the wrong way, Dennis.
However you meant it, It came across in a very crass and insulting way on may levels.
One of the best things I ever learned in church was this phrase, "I am sorry, I was wrong, please forgive me." It can do wonders in situations like the one you find yourself in here, among your peers. Especially when it is said from the heart.
[ April 10, 2012, 07:18 AM: Message edited by: Bob Sauls ]
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Wow, what is wrong with anything Dennis said. Calling on Christians to act like they preach is exactly what we should want to hear. I am one and couldn't possibly be offended.
He was a public figure and no vitriol was displayed here.
We had one of his galleries in our town years back. Great marketer and retailer to boot. His art? not so much, but that's me I guess.
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"One of the best things I ever learned in church was this phrase, "I am sorry, I was wrong, please forgive me." It can do wonders in situations like the one you find yourself in here, among your peers. Especially when it is said from the heart"
Holy crap, you shd hear yourself.
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Rusty. Bob was not apologizing. He was very condescendingly telling me I shd apologize.
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I'm with you, Dennis. Everyone should just take a breath and chill.
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