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Can anyone offer advice on materials for painting a logo on a high school gym floor? Would 2 or 3 coats of 1-Shot with a hardener be adequate if the floor is poly coated afterword?
-------------------- Eric Elmgren ericsignguy@comcast.net A & E Graphic Signs Park Ridge, IL "The future isn't what it used to be" -Yogi Berra Posts: 192 | From: PARK RIDGE, ILLINOIS | Registered: Aug 2009
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I did one years ago with 1-Shot. You should do a TEST piece and have whoever is applying the poly put some over you test! Make sure they work together.
-------------------- Tony Vickio The World Famous Vickio Signs 3364 Rt.329 Watkins Glen, NY 14891 t30v@vickiosigns.com 607-535-6241 http://www.vickiosigns.com Posts: 1063 | From: Watkins Glen, New York | Registered: Sep 2001
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Tony is right about the chiropractor, and its a lot farther for you to reach the floor.
The last one I did the guys that striped the floor furnished the paint. I don't remember what type it was(cause its been a loooong time), but I DO REMEMBER that the pot life was about 30 minutes, and the brush life was less, and it took 2 coats. 2 days to paint a little 10' diameter logo, and 2 weeks to learn to walk upright again.
-------------------- Don Hulsey Strokes by DON signs Utica, KY 270-275-9552 sbdsigns@aol.com
I've always been crazy... but it's kept me from going insane. Posts: 2273 | From: Utica, KY U.S.A. | Registered: Jan 1999
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last time I did something like this I took the back off a rolling office chair and lay down the seat of the chair on my belly to paint it,...it's not half as bad as bending over and it went alot faster,....no need for knee pads gots lotsa padding in just the right spots here
-------------------- fly low...timi/NC is, Tim Barrow Barrow Art Signs Winston-Salem,NC Posts: 2224 | From: Winston-Salem,NC,USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Make the patterns and get Ron to paint it for you. These old timers who just chimed in with their words of caution are right-on. Can you say "Sciatica!"
I'll bet Nova would work if the the floor was sanded and waiting for your color. It seems to be a paint that can take just about any clear.
I picture you being the coach on the project and having Ron do the labor while we go fishing.
-------------------- Bill Diaz Diaz Sign Art Pontiac IL www.diazsignart.com Posts: 2107 | From: Pontiac, IL | Registered: Dec 2001
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There is a paint called Endura made in Cal that I'm looking into. Don, maybe that's what ate your brushes. I have used 1-Shot on floors for businesses but wear & tear on a high school gym has to be a lot worse. Tim...great advice, I'm a lazy cuss and laying down & rolling around painting kinda appeals to me.
-------------------- Eric Elmgren ericsignguy@comcast.net A & E Graphic Signs Park Ridge, IL "The future isn't what it used to be" -Yogi Berra Posts: 192 | From: PARK RIDGE, ILLINOIS | Registered: Aug 2009
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Eric— I almost always used the same paint the striping guys used. Used 1shot, too. Working on the floor never bothered me or any part of me and I never wore knee pads. I would still be doing floors but the floor contractors use vinyl masking and less talent nowadays and I charge too much. It was good money at the time.
-------------------- Frank Smith Frank Smith Signs Albany, NY www.franksmithsigns.com Posts: 807 | From: Albany, NY USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I have done many floors over my tenure and will never do them again, oohh the pain ! Buy floor graphics from graphitek.com
-------------------- Len Mort Signmaker1.com 11 Juniper Drive Millbury, MA 508-865-2382 "A Good Business Sign, is A Sign of Good Business"(1957) Posts: 811 | From: Millbury, Ma | Registered: Dec 2006
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While I was in Korea during the war, I did a stage backdrop every month for events at the Service Club. Each was about 8' x 12', water-based paint on paper laid on the floor and hung up when dry. I did them on my knees and it never bothered me, but then I was 21. However, when I was in my early 50s I did a stage backdrop 12' x 20' the same way, a piece of canvas laid out in a parking lot, showing a landscape scene with a building, some trees, and parts of a couple sailboats in the foreground. That one got me sore.
-------------------- dennis kiernan independent artist san francisco, calif, usa Posts: 907 | From: san francisco, ca usa | Registered: Feb 2010
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the last one I did really had me sore- not just the knees and back, but my hips as well- it was a really large job and I declined the job, but then went in and helped the other painter that got it. I got my money for designing it. He used some kind of new paint that was awful- really lumpy- he ended up having to come back and repaint. I used to paint floors when I was in college- young and didn't know any better...
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1735 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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We gave that guy your name....hope that was a good thing?
-------------------- Jane Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, Il. 61764 815-844-7024 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 4102 | From: Pontiac, IL USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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last floor I did after watching the floor gy before that spend hundreds on "floor paint" i used rustoleum, it was gonna be uretahned over anyway so whats the big deal
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back a few years ago, any good enamel paint would work just fine- they seal the bare wood with a clear coat, then you paint your graphics lines etc., then they come back over with several other clear coats- even if they sanded and buffed the floor, the graphics were protected. This last one I painted, the company used some new funky clear coat that wasn't the same as the old polyurethanes- seemed really thin and sure didn't seem as durable- and the paint they used for the lines and graphics was really lumpy and thick, very hard to get a nice smooth finish. Another company used a waterbased clear on a floor- so watch out and know what types of stuff is being used. I always used whatever enamel paint that they were using for the lines and stuff- the flooring companies did all of the line work, I just painted the graphics.
I will say- try to avoid very much white paint in the design- the top clear coats will yellow and make it look nasty- I was locked in with a lot of white- it doesn't look too bad from the bleachers, but if you go down on the floor it is yellowing
-------------------- Michael Clanton Clanton Graphics/ Blackberry 19 Studio 1933 Blackberry Conway AR 72034 501-505-6794 clantongraphics@yahoo.com Posts: 1735 | From: Conway Arkansas | Registered: Oct 2001
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The ceiling lighting (especially sodium lights) can radically alter the colors, too.
-------------------- Frank Smith Frank Smith Signs Albany, NY www.franksmithsigns.com Posts: 807 | From: Albany, NY USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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If they are using a traditional polyurethane for the top coat, just use One Shot with the full 10% hardener. Make patterns from Avery paint mask only. I've tried them all and Avery is the only one I'll use. Some other brands may take the paint well but you'll get a hernia removing them.
Roll or squeegee down your edges good just before painting. On large graphics I used full size roller with the telescoping handle so you can paint standing up.
With hardener they can put down the urethane with a full 24 hour dry time. Without the hardener, they should wait at least a month.
I've done dozens of courts. Some court painters use One Shot but if you do it all the time we use a regular game line paint called Polo Plaz. It's basically urethane primer in colors. You can paint 2 coats the same day on the tough colors that don't cover in one coat and they'll match any PMS color. Th problem for occasional jobs is the paint has a shelf life, smallest cans available are quarts, and the paint is worthless for anything else.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5396 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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I want to thank you all for your advice and comments, I'll let you know how it turns out.
-------------------- Eric Elmgren ericsignguy@comcast.net A & E Graphic Signs Park Ridge, IL "The future isn't what it used to be" -Yogi Berra Posts: 192 | From: PARK RIDGE, ILLINOIS | Registered: Aug 2009
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We've done a few, we used Cut Stencils on the computer and Plotter, then rolled the One shot with foam rollers. let it set for an hour and then peeled the stencils off, Crisp clean Logos and lettering, and this way a lot easier on the knees, and yes the flooring guys cleared it over with their product.
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SIGNS1st. Neil Butler Paradise, NF Posts: 6277 | From: St. John's NF Canada | Registered: Mar 1999
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I believe there is a paint called "Courtlines" for that kind of work. Never used it and don't know a thing about it, but a friend of mine told me that's what he uses. If it turns out to be awesome, olease post. Good luck!
-------------------- Rich Stebbing RichSigns Rohnert Park CA 707-795-5588 Posts: 755 | From: Rohnert Park, CA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Eric, the only Endura coatings I know of is headquartered here in Edmonton, Ab. Their website is Endura.ca the .ca indicates a Canadian domain, not California. Endura is a fine polyurethane and it's a good company. The hardner has isocyanates so be careful, it's hazardous.
I did the floor pictured below back in '03, it gets daily family use and still looks great. I used Ronan and 1 Shot enamels. The guy they hired to finish the floor used two coats of high traffic Bona Brand water-based satin clear.
We used three-layer foam pads most of the time, but 50 hours kneeling on the floor is a killer. Felt like someone took a hammer to my knees for a couple days! We tried a lot of different ways to paint but 12 hour days on your knees is tough.
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One reason Dale's floor work pictured above has lasted so well is because few want to walk on a masterpiece. Very nice work.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
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