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I use oil based paints for most of my signs. 6 weeks ago I gave my customer a quote for a repaint. The sign is mounted to the wall, 10 ft up, and is only 18 month old. They changed their name, and want the vinyl lettering removed, repainted a different color and relettered. I have pressured them the last 3 weeks to make a decission because of the fall temperatures, and paint ideally needs at least 50 degrees to dry, My problem is the weather has finnally become fall like.. This weeks it barely reached 50 and rainy. Next week, it should be low50's. sunny/cloudy. Should I use Latex? I have no idea what kind of paint is on there. It is white-with a flat finish, vinyl lettering. No way to take down the sign.
Is there a problem with vinyl sticking to latex? Our winters are between. 25. down to minus 25. Summers are in the mid to high 80's. , with occasional high 90's, and humid. The sign will be painted gray, and it will face South.
I can't get Porter. Can you roller,brush on Matthews paint? I have sprayed it- use it for all my burgundy signs.
Diane
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Ya know, I have painted lettering while the temps, outside, have been in the low 40's. And that's using 1-Shot lettering enamel.The only thing I really need is dry. No rain. To speed up the drying, you could use the 1-Shot low temp redurcer. Although, I'm not too sure about painting below frezzing. Not sure about low term adhesion. Give me that guy's number so I could tell him not to make you wait, while the temperture drops.
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Alicia, I was thinking of using 1-shot and adding the hardener. SHE signed the agreement today, but won't have the deposit until Monday, which is fine because of rain in the forecast for thursday. -Saturday. I got the signed agreement, And will strip of the vinyl first thing Monday, with or without the deposit. The sign is 3' x 18 ft.
Diane
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I would paint (or vinyl) a thin sheet of aluminum in the shop, then attach it to the existing face. I call it re-skinning, but you get the picture. No vinyl and adhesive removal, nice new face, no weather problems.....
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Vinyl does not stick to some latex paints. Flat latex seem to hold the best. Semi gloss the worst. Been down that road before on a big project that I ended up almost having to eat it, but they sold the store and totally changed the sign at last. I had to go up there a couple of times and fuss with getting some of the 36" tall vinyl letters to reattach. The new owners wanted a totally new look, thankfully. I was happy to provide.
Sonny has the best idea. Reskin and avoid future problems. Repainting and stripping off vinyl is always a pain.
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Diane- I have had vinyl adhesion success locally with Shermin Williams SuperPaint Exterior Acrylic Latex. I use satin usually.
I have had vinyl-to-paint FAILURE with Home Depot brand paints...behr? I think.
my 2 cents.
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Diane, I'd go with your original idea...One Shot with hardener. You can mix in a little black, to get the shade of gray that you want. Ronan is better, but sometimes hard to get. You should have no drying issues, particularly if the sun is on it for part of the day.
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Checkers is right. There is a brushing & rolling additive and catalyst for Mathews.
I just don't trust ANY color of One Shot any more. Ronan is my choice now for oil based. It's as good as One Shot was many years ago. Add the hardner though for drying and extra durability.
Some latex paint manufacturers are adding silicone to their paint to make them more self cleaning. Vinyl will not stick to that kind of paint. Porter Acri-Shield or Sherwin Williams Super Paint gloss or semi gloss would be my only choice if I were to go with latex. I have signs out there 4 years now painted with Porter on DiBond and vinyl lettering. Went by one yesterday and still looks like it did the day I put it out.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5396 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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Vinyl does not stick to some latex paints. Flat latex seem to hold the best. Semi gloss the worst ____________________________________________________
your kidding? Down here flat is the worse. i cnanot get vinyl to stick to a flat wall for nothing eggshell all the way to gloss holds the best
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I once applied cast vinyl on an interior flat latex wall. The letters were coming off within 1 month. The sign I am talking about here, has flat paint. Maybe with a little heat, hair dryer, the vinyl will come off easily. If it doesn't, I will do it on aluminum, and eat the cost of it.
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