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Glenn Taylor
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Back in October 2008, I posted pics of the window perf work done on our shop truck windows.

The side windows were done on the Gerber Edge. One side had a laminate applied and the other did not.

The rear window was an inkjet print with a laminate.

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What the manufacturers say about laminate shortening the life of a window perf is true. The unlaminated side still looks new.

As for the rear window, the edges started to lift just days after it was installed. I put it back down with the help of a heatgun and then applied a 3/8" cast vinyl stripe to seal the edges. So far, its held up extremely well.

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BlueDog Graphics
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Bob Rochon
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Glenn,

What kind of laminate did you use on the Edge print?

What kind of laminate did you use on the inkjet print?

[ August 03, 2010, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: Bob Rochon ]

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Bob Rochon
Creative Signworks
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Glenn Taylor
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3M-8914 in both cases.

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BlueDog Graphics
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roger bailey
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Iknow this is more a "laminate discussion" but.... how do or did you clean the glass? And with what?
I know I know....

Roger

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Roger Bailey
Rapid Tac Incorporated
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Merlin Oregon
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Thanks for the update! :-) Nice to see real life examples of what to expect. I'm my own best test dummy too!

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Glenn Taylor
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Roger, RT2 of course. [Wink]

I should add that I have another test in the works.

This is a window test.

Inkjet with 3M-8419 laminate. The edges were not sealed. The glass was cleaned with Bootyglass, one of my clients' products.

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This was applied about 8 months ago.

[ August 03, 2010, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]

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Would it be wrong to assume the laminate is shrinking, that and the fact that on perf you have only 50% of surface contact?

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Bob Rochon
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Glen, email your phone #, I would like to talk with you.

Roger mail@rapidtac.com

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Roger Bailey
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actually laminating would have been fine, but you need to edge seal to make it last. The 3m liquid edge sealer works good, or just slits of lam around the edges. Once what creeped into a opened edged hole, it sat there and eventually started lifting .

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Bruce Evans
Crown Graphics
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I'm beginning to think laminate can be the evil of most prints. Glens test proves it. Most prints I get from Blake I request they NOT be laminated. I would rather spray 2 part urethane clear on a print than laminate for this reason.

first off I can spray a thinner mil than the laminate is and my clear will not shrink as bad as the vinyl laminate

GREAT TEST GLENN!

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I've found that laminate does all sorts of funky stuff to prints , especially perf. When doing vehicles I almost always don't laminate unless it's full color, then I'll laminate and edge seal. The full color makes the perf a lot less workable. Either way, I dislike perf. It always comes back to make me look bad.

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Dawud Shaheed
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I have on I printed 4 summers ago and put on my cousins back window with no laminate and it still looks good printed on the versacamm.

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Jake Lyman
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Hmmm, what perf are you using? I use FDC's 50/50.
Printed on my JV3. One side on my truck is laminated, one is not, just like your example.
Trimmed back 1/4" from the seal of the window, all around. Been on over 3 years, thru the high pressure car wash once a week. NO LIFTING etc...
Cleaned with a 50/50 denatured/H20 mix.
Temps ranging from 95 degrees to 30 below zero, heat, sun, ice etc... I do wait the recommended 24 hours prior to laminating. Laminated with 8518. I would agree on using a Seal-it pen, but haven't needed to yet.

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Nikki Goral
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New Franken, WI 54229
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Also, after re-reading your post, I do heat the entire thing post application.

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Nikki Goral
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