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Dave Hunt
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http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/86812917.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548F54FD43D2311C564920DF4872C0005DFC8138AFA19C5F67CE30A760B0D811297

have a customer who wants the red engine turned effect...how's it done?

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Dave, can't access this image.

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looks like vinyl to me,...unless its engine turned gold and or aluminum leaf with transpareant red shot on top,....

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OK - from the pattern I think it looks hand turned - maybe aluminim leaf or white gold? Then a transparant glaze of red - I would make several practice pieces while doing the original so ytou can get the glaze with enough color. Airbrush the glaze. Multiple thin coats until you have the right shade of red. Use your favarite clear with a couple of mist coats well dried before tinting with small amounts of heavy pigment compatable with the clear.

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Coburn material overlaid with Oracal's transparent red vinyl might come very close.

[Smile] I like Barb's way better, though. [Smile]

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Here's a sign I finished earlier this week. The photo isn't great, but the square behind the big T is 23 carat gold leaf. the leaf outlines are painted on as dots with a pipe cleaner, with a dark gold colored enamel. Over that I brushed on a coat of urethane varnish with hardener, and a few drops of brick red One shot for tint.
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It looks like spun goldleaf with red candy over it.

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David Thompson
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I believe like David, it has candy red over it. In the past I have done it this way using aluminum leaf, candies and clear coat for any number of color an∂ effects.

Note: Candy paints are totally transparent and work over any base of silver, gold or white and must have a clear coat. Candy paints aren't to be painted by a first timer and can go array quickly if blotches or dirt appears in the candy itself as there isn't a way to repair it other then removal and re-do

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You could get close to this with the Coburn turned vinyl, but this looks 'hand done'. Usually when 'turning' something this small, you could use the soft velvet (or similar) taped over the end of pencil eraser. You could use a piece of dowel rod, or whatever diameter you want to circles to be. Just don't bear down on the tool when turning it. Try on a scrap piece first to get the proper 'feel'.

I've had better luck with slow size with this technique.

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Joey would you be able to tint clear urethane with a deep red to get the same tranzparent effect, only easier application than the candy?

[ February 13, 2010, 09:11 PM: Message edited by: Dana Stanley ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Dana Stanley:
Joey would you be able to tint clear urethane with a deep red to get the same tranzparent effect, only easier application than the candy?

IIRC, candies use dyes for color, not traditional pigments. I also think this is why they are prone to fading so easily.


I have on occasion had my local paint supplier make me BC without any pigment to make transparent colors using normal toners. They don't give you anywhere near the "brilliance" of a candy. I'm not sure if this is what you were asking.

The idea of a candy is a transparent top coat that allows the light to reflect from the base and through the candy. Any heavy spots or dirt(the dirt cause a capillary action) will show up darker due to the extra amount of paint that the light travels through.

Have you ever seen a candy paintjob on a car and the edges of/and around the doors, hood and trunk look darker? This is because they painted the jambs first then the whole care or vice versa. the overspray from the jambs is like adding an extra coat or two in these areas.

For these reasons, even if you could make your own concoction, it won't be easier to spray. The only way to make candies easier to spray (IMO)is to use a base that is similar in color to the candy itself, which usually is nowhere near as brilliant as using a silver or gold base.

[ February 13, 2010, 10:46 PM: Message edited by: David Thompson ]

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Dana, Spraying candy is fairly easy on small projects as the coverage must be kept evenly. I have used an airbrush to spray candies in the past with excellent results on leaf as well as reflective vinyl. I think that learning to do it correct is more important then to invent a whole new routine. It is my belief that to tint the clear with a red toner will take more red then clear. There are many many colors of candy to choose from to begin with. The key to a perfect coating is patience

Edited for David - you were posting same time as I an∂ your explanation is right on but David, using the complimentary color with candy works best in pearlescents as they will be hardly any brilliance with the candies

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This is how do the Kandy leaf thingy.  - First I put on the aluminim leaf using AquaSize, spin by hand, then lightly hit it with clear Imron clear, just a fogging. Let it get a tad happy, then hit it with Imron mixed with a few drops of House of Kolors kandy concentrate. Very lightly,you don't want runs. After you're satisfied with the color intensity, stop. Let it dry, then hit it again with the Iron colorless clear, but very nice. Walk away, have lunch, then do all of your outlines etc. If the job requires a shinny as glass look, then you got to finish with a touch-up or full size gun. The job in the picture wqas done with paint mask.

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Kick-ass door, Alicia

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Alicia, you are one BAD A$$ Momacita!!

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It comes that way on a roll, I have seen, just like other faux turned vinyl. Check around at your sign supplier. I remember years ago we used to do deflector shirlds with it where we manually cut out the letters and outlined them in lettering enamel. Guess it could be cut with a vinyl cutter, but that is not my thing.

Just doing it in real gold and making the hand turnings is real easy. Candy color is also real easy. Just takes time. I did a '57 Chevy one time with giant flames this way in a red fade to yellow candy. I used way too much urethane clear on it, but five years later, it still looked good. I think the finish was around 75 mils! Way too heavy...

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I have always preferred aluminum leaf for use with glazes because it is lighter, layed dryer for high burnish. This is true for surface or reverse. Not counting fire truck scrolls and dimensioning other gold. My favorite glaze is made with oil color mixed in clear, usually gold size. You can mix ahead so fewer coats are necessary.

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