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We have a customer opening a NICE jewelry store downtown and she wants to have Signgold or goldleaf on her front door. We have a great idea with etched look and golden name in the center. The problem with it is that SignGold (the burnished "chrome look" one) is only reverse cut on the interior of the glass. The front door/window has that wire mesh chicken wire stuff in the glass for security. They don't really want to replace the glass or the door. We thought about REAL gold leaf, and she would be fine with that, but again that is really usually done in reverse on the inside of the glass...ANY suggestions?
-------------------- Jane Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, Il. 61764 815-844-7024 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 4102 | From: Pontiac, IL USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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I did a window a few years back with a home made version of Sign Gold. I scuffed the vinyl plotted it, applied 1 shot size and gilded and then weeded the excess. I allowed it to set up really well and applied it. I drove by it the other day and it still looks good. I'm not sure what you mean by "burnished chrome look" but if you can recreate it the surface of the vinyl you'll be good to go. Run a few tests with spray clears if you are concerned with scratching from cleaning. Hope this gives you some ideas. Let us know your solution.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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I'm not sure but I don't think anybody makes anything in a vinyl without engine turning or swirls for surface use. You could do like Kelly suggests and make your own but I would just surface gild the glass itself and not have the worry of the vinyl breaking down. Just treat it like you would a truck door. I would clean the glass with Bon Ami though.
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Jane, awhile back, here what I did for some firetrucks. No one had this...So I used high performance vinyl, I sized it, leafed it with veragated gold leaf, laminated it cut it, slapped it on the doors. I think you could do the same using patent gold leaf.
-------------------- aka:Cisco the "Traveling Millennium Sign Artist" http://www.franciscovargas.com Fresno, CA 93703 559 252-0935 "to live life, is to love life, a sign of no life, is a sign of no love"...Cisco 12'98 Posts: 3576 | From: Fresno, Ca, the great USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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The window at our studio has had SignGold on it for the past 15 years and still looks good. It is the spun version. Since the chrome look version is to be installed inside, I'm not sure about putting it on the outside.
-------------------- Chapman Sign Studio Temple, Texas chapmanstudio@sbcglobal.net Posts: 6306 | From: Temple, Texas, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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No, that's the problem Raymond. The back side or the mirror looking Signgold is black and the adhesive side that sticks to the inside of the window is the gold leaf. She wants it shiny, like a mirror. But then it has to be applied to the inside of the glass. Is there any mirror (chrome) gold that is available for EXTERIOR application. I know there is a gold chrome polyester film but is usually listed as a 2 year life or not recommended for exterior use. I know for a fact that it fades to silver after about a year....help!
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I don't know if the "new" Lustregild is available from Signgold but that might work. I would prefer to surface gild. If you make it a two tone job on the surface the difference between a high burnish and the textured (spun or pattern) will make it look brighter. Also gild at the last possible moment and use loose leaf to enhance the luster. The cannot beat the real think for looks.
-------------------- Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio P.O.Box 2385, Estes Park, CO 80517-2385 kent@smithsignstudio.com Posts: 1025 | From: Estes Park, CO | Registered: Nov 1998
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With real AG on the outside of the window, I'd be concerned what the result would be after the window washer ran his squeege over it a few times......ya might want to coat it with something.
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-------------------- Joe Cieslowski Connecticut Woodcarvers Gallery P.O.Box 368 East Canaan CT 06024 jcieslowski@snet.net 860-824-0883 Posts: 2345 | From: East Canaan CT 06024 | Registered: Nov 2001
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I don't remember what it is called, but there is a polished gold vinyl that has a clear adhesive and is gold on both sides and rated for 7 years outdoors. When we drew the letters, we also added an inline. We cut the letters in the gold and applied them without the inline. We then cut the letters with the inline in a paint mask and registered this on the gold. Then we used some fine steel wool and scuffed the centers and removed the mask leaving us with a two tone burnished outline matt center vinyl job. This might be what you're looking for.
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Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity. — Charles Mingus Posts: 6716 | From: Mendocino, CA. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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If you can't come up with Rick's shiny gold, just use the metalized polyester, shoot it with Frog Juice or One Shot clear, cut weed mask apply and tell the customer that they may get 2 to 4 years out of it. We did some logging trucks with the silver, coated it with One Shot clear. Still looked shiny after 4 years, but maybe gold would fade faster, I don't know.
The customer has to realize that sometimes they want the impossible.
-------------------- Dave Sherby "Sandman" SherWood Sign & Graphic Design Crystal Falls, MI 49920 906-875-6201 sherwoodsign@sbcglobal.net Posts: 5397 | From: Crystal Falls, MI USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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I have found the above to be true. Also, Cisco's method is the same way I do Fire Truck gold - and you can give it any kind of burnish, variations of gold (12K 16K 23K) and outline treatments.
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Rick, what I did was laminate it after it's sized to the H.P. Vinyl. Then you can cut it to what letter or shape you wish.
-------------------- aka:Cisco the "Traveling Millennium Sign Artist" http://www.franciscovargas.com Fresno, CA 93703 559 252-0935 "to live life, is to love life, a sign of no life, is a sign of no love"...Cisco 12'98 Posts: 3576 | From: Fresno, Ca, the great USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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Rick, yes. transfer tape it and apply. not sure you could do rough curves. I did flat doors
-------------------- aka:Cisco the "Traveling Millennium Sign Artist" http://www.franciscovargas.com Fresno, CA 93703 559 252-0935 "to live life, is to love life, a sign of no life, is a sign of no love"...Cisco 12'98 Posts: 3576 | From: Fresno, Ca, the great USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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Well we tried to come up with a vinyl solution and we finally ended up talked her into regular gold metallic vinyl. She's fine with that. It would be nice to have some gold work up town but Bill didn't want to gold leaf on her front door on one of the busiest corners in town and have to deal with gold flying around outside. If we could take the door off and do it here, he'd be up for it. Besides, he doesn't like to be a spectator sport! hehehe
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