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What's with them? Our roads are polluted with billboards with panels missing or half peeled. I read (heard?) somewhere (here?)that they are intentionally done in a temporary vinyl so they only last the three month rental period. That saves the billboard owners from having to go out and remove them when the contract runs out. Is this true? It sure drags down the look of our province. I think the Department of Highways should issue an ugly fine to the owners.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 3579 | From: Holdfast, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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I know Arlon has changed the formula on their 600 vinyl, it's now opaque (grey on back) and the adhesive isn't as aggressive. This was done to allow the vinyl to be put over an existing graphic and also to facilitate removal for temporary signage. This isn't a flaw or a 'cheapening' of the vinyl, just arlon addressing different needs in the industry. There is still some supply of the original 600 (white back w/ strong adhesive) vinyls available. I know, I've got 24 rolls tucked away for me. And new specialty economy grades are in development.
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"There are painters who transform the sun to a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun." - Pablo Picasso mike@copyshop.ca Posts: 2848 | From: Labrador City, NF, Canada | Registered: Nov 1998
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In the early days of digital printing, it was a well known fact that digital would not last as long as solid vinyls. That was my main reason waaaay back then to NOT go digital YET.
I'd have thought that outcome would have changed by now but perhaps my assumptions are wrong. I guess we need those that do wraps to set us straight on how it is these days for longevity.
Any takers?
-------------------- Donna Williams Graphic Impact Yarrow, BC Canada graphicimpact@shaw.ca
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paste...bwahahaa...remember paste back in grammar school? white mushey stuff(and there was always one kid who would eat it)...stored in jars and used with popsicle sticks? aaah..little memory flashback.
anyhoo...no i never used avery vinyl...thank god!
-------------------- Karyn Bush Simply Not Ordinary, LLC Bartlett, NH 603-383-9955 www.snosigns.com info@snosigns.com Posts: 3164 | From: Bartlett, NH USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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economy unlaminated will do 2 years Premium with a premium laminate will go 5
We still use cut vinyl, where practical, on aluminum signs and more permanent signs...
but many corporate billboards require only a 3-6 month life, hence the move towards vinyls that remove easier, and opaque whites that can be applied over an existing sign...
-------------------- Mike O'Neill
"There are painters who transform the sun to a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun." - Pablo Picasso mike@copyshop.ca Posts: 2848 | From: Labrador City, NF, Canada | Registered: Nov 1998
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I would hazard a guess that its surface preparation making these things peel. 3 month vinyls will last way longer than that, it's like 9 year vinyls spotted 10 years after install will still be ok. If the surface is dirty and the graphic slapped on then sods law says it'll fall off.
We do installs on the back of buses here. The bus company removes the old graphics and they want nothing more done than the new graphic installed. I actually had the manager stop me from removing glue!! He wanted the bus straight back on the road. It's possible that these billboards are done to a set contract rate so any time factors that can be cut out will be, which probably includes surface preparation. I'm just guessing but it feels right. And yes, most of the bus graphics end up peeling and looking awful. Sigh
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I think Mike might have the correct answer because I noticed a pile of vinyl at the base of one of the billboards and it had a grey backing. At first I thought they were stripping that one, but weeks later there are more areas missing, but there is still a lot of the billboard there. Some of them are undoubtably paper as well.
As far as I am concerned if big companies want to come in and put up these huge billboards and sell advertising, fine. But they darn well should either maintain them or be fined or have them confiscated and removed. They just don't have the same charm or dignity as a decaying 100 yr old building, but they have definitely taken over our landscape.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 3579 | From: Holdfast, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Ahhh... I misread the original post. I thought we were talking vehicle wraps deteriorating.
The billboards out here are indeed done in paper. I set one up for a lawyer customer of mine and Colleen is right on. The contracts run for about 3 months time and deteriorate right about at that timeframe too. Most are removed here with FOR RENT signs on them if left blank, but for most bbs there's a waiting list, so they go off and on pretty quick before deterioration sets in.
-------------------- Donna Williams Graphic Impact Yarrow, BC Canada graphicimpact@shaw.ca
quote:Originally posted by KARYN BUSH: paste...bwahahaa...remember paste back in grammar school? white mushey stuff(and there was always one kid who would eat it)...stored in jars and used with popsicle sticks? aaah..little memory flashback.
anyhoo...no i never used avery vinyl...thank god!
I remember that stuff dripping down under my arm as I was applying it!! and just thinking what it was made from "gulp" dead horses...excuse me while I go puke!!
-------------------- Drane Signs Sunshine Coast Nambour, Qld. dranesigns@bigpond.com Downunder "To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer" Posts: 909 | From: Nambour, Qld. Australia | Registered: Nov 1998
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