Very sad story.
Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
saw that on the news this morning. sad.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
said he could "legally" carry.......searched his south Minneapolis home, where they found another gun and packaging for 10,000 rounds of ammunition. parent said he had a history of mental illness...... no red flags here????????
Posted by Nikki Goral (Member # 7844) on :
Legally carry or not, no one needs 10,000 rounds of ammunition. That is the disturbing part.
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Nikki ... Hate to tell you this ... but I burn up twice as much as that every year!
I have been shooting competition ever since I was on a high school team.
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
We need to get used to gun nuts going on murder sprees. With out gun control, this will be a regular occurrence. Thank you NRA.
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
People kill people. If they don't have guns, they'll find a way. A murderer will bash you over the head with a rock if that's all he has available. Blaming the NRA is stupid.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
However...if a guy walks into a McDonalds with a bag of rocks...and with the intent to kill as many people as he can with them...how many people can he kill.
[ October 16, 2012, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Whatever.
Just don't blame the NRA. Blame the founders. It's in the Constitution.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
[ October 16, 2012, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: Don Coplen ]
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
BTW, Si is amazing with that shotgun! I've seen him in action and he doesn't miss those clay pigeons very often. As I recall, he might have missed one or two in an entire afternoon!
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
Lets remember Germany was the first country to Initiate total gun control.
Any questions?
didnt think so.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Just think of how this story ends if just one person was carrying a conceal pistol at work - the UPS driver would be the best candidate, as he is at risk of robbery in his travels. Would have been a different outcome.
Pickett may think people who own guns are nuts... but I say people who want other people to be sitting targets for a kook, druggie, or gang-banger are the crazy ones.
I was printing t-shirts late at night recently in my buddie's shop where I have my equipment.... small rural town.... heard a door slam in another room, which shouldn't have occurred because everyone was gone but me. I got spooked, called 911 and explained a door had slammed open against an interior wall in the office section of his building... I spied it through the shop door's window.... took the cops literally 25 minutes to get there. They searched the place, and found nothing - so it is a head-scratcher.... but in any event. IF there WAS an assailant breaking in and he came into the shop - I'd be dead (didn't have my CC on me).
Ideology like Pickett's would create more suffering than what we have our 2nd Amendment Freedoms. In fact, if you look at the stats, it proves it out. States with the most restrictive gun laws have the most violent crime.
If more decent law-abiding citizens carried guns, the loon that pulled one out at a McDonald's would be the only victim.
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away Posted by Craig Sjoquist (Member # 4684) on :
Since the stand your ground law took effect here in Florida.
Gun & violent crimes have gone down
Been many cases where a robbery or a beating is taking place here in Florida & either the shop keeper or a good customer or whoever defends there self with positive results with use of gun.
When good people are not aloud to protect them self's only criminals will win & carry guns.
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
The reason I carry a gun ... is that a Cop is too heavy!
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Rusty, if I wanted to kill a bunch of people in a McDonald's, I cd do it without a gun and at a cheaper price.
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Dennis...just let them keep eating those burgers and fries...kill them slow but sure. Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
and....with their own money, too!
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Hey guys...go back and read...I wasn't the one who brought up "rocks" in the first place...I only responded back to Don"s use of the "rock" to illustrate his point...I did not think it a valid argument.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
You know I just back from Walmart...got to say there were some pretty odd looking characters in the store...some looked really loony...to think that they all were "packing heat" for their protection would not make me feel safer...in fact it would make me feel less safe...but that's just me.
[ October 16, 2012, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
... and look to see if our own Old Paint is in any of them!
Posted by Neil D. Butler (Member # 661) on :
I thank my Lucky stars everyday I don't have to worry about that....People need some sort of regulations....just to keep things civil.
Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
thanks Neil, after some of these posts I was getting scared to go outside, the lack of concealed weapons was getting scary! Posted by Sonny Franks (Member # 588) on :
The mere mention of "gun control" sends the NRA supporters into a frenzy. I own several guns, but I don't carry them around with me and I see nothing wrong with tighter regulations to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and nutjobs. Constitution or not, some people should NOT have guns.....
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
67 years, i have been around. NO CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT. amazing iam still alive huh????HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA didnt own a gun till 2007. and got that when i was having to wear a leg bag and catheter. the gun sits in the drawer in my bedroom....... HAS NEVER BEEN FIRED.......... YOU....create your own fears.....and ways YOU THINK will keep them at bay. like i said in my 1st post... 10,000 ROUNDS OF AMMO, parents said he had a history of mental illness.... and then he BOUGHT GUNS???? id say the laws on gun ownership are not tight enough. as for all you who think you can protect yourself from YOUR GOVT, you live in a fantasy world. this is what YOUR TAX DOLLARS BOUGHT)))))) you, and your buds with ak-47, m-16 DONT STAND A SNOWBALLS CHANCE....against this: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/9609/
[ October 17, 2012, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
So OP worships guns, but just in the hands of the most deadly people around, with a license to kill no less.
Posted by Len Mort (Member # 7030) on :
Why I Carry A Gun !
This may interest you. > > > > My old grandpa said to me son,' there comes a time in every man's life > when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's > when he becomes too old to take a whoopin'. > I don't carry a gun to kill people. > I carry a gun to keep from being killed. > > I don't carry a gun to scare people. > I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place. > > I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. > I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world. > > > I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. > I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the > world. > > > I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. > I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government. > > > I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. > I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating > myself for failing to be prepared. > > > I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. > I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and > not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon. > > > I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy. > I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a > cowboy. > > > I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. > I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves > and the ones they love. > > > I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. > I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am > inadequate. > > > I don't carry a gun because I love it. > I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful > to me. > > Police Protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. > Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the > crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess. > > > Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to > take a whoopin > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A LITTLE GUN HISTORY > > > In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, > about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded > up and exterminated. > ------------------------------ > > In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 > million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and > exterminated. > ------------------------------ > > Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total > of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves > were rounded up and exterminated. > ------------------------------ > > China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million > political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and > exterminated > ------------------------------ > > Guatemala established gun control in 1964. >From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 > Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and > exterminated. > ---- ------------- ------------- > > Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 > Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and > exterminated. > ------------------------------ > > Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one > million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up > and exterminated. > ----------------------------- > > Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century > because of gun control: 56 million. > ------------------------------ > > It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by > new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by > their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than > $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: > > List of 7 items: > > Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. > > Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. > > Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! > > In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 > percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the > criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! > > While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in > armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in > the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey > is unarmed. > > There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of > the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how > public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense > was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The > Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. > > You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians > disseminating this information. > > Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, > gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. > > Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! > > The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind > them of this history lesson. > > With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. > > During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they > knew most Americans were ARMED! > > If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message > to all of your friends. > > > The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in > defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is > more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is > supplemental. > > > SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT > TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN > RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! > > > IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX > DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET. > > > > I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment! >
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
That's a great post and a whole lot of great info.
_just saying.. Posted by Craig Sjoquist (Member # 4684) on :
Outstanding post Len M.
Curious about the UK believe they have a no guns
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Seems like Sonny always makes a very good and reasonable remark when controversial issues such as this are brought up...at least I think so.
Posted by David O'Hanlon (Member # 2754) on :
Gun crime is out of hand in the UK. Handguns are banned and yet people are murdered nearly every day.
Here in Sydney there is a drive-by shooting nearly every day. Arrests are rare. A year or so ago a driver was killed when a stray bullet fired by a group having an arguement in a KFC struck him in the neck. They dropped the murder charge in preference to manslaughter and gave the guilty party a few year sentence.
Calls for mandatory sentences for firearm crimes are ignored however shrill calls for further gun control erupt with every incident.
W.R. Pickett blames the NRA. Why? Guns have been available in the US for century's and yet this spree-killing idea is only a recent thing. Blaming the NRA holds no water.
10 000 rnds of ammo is maybe a lot to the once a year hunter who uses a packet to sight in his rifle and a half a dozen shots while in the wood, but for a semi-serious competitive shooter it's not that much. And you should be able to get a discount for buying in bulk.
Posted by David O'Hanlon (Member # 2754) on :
quote:I see nothing wrong with tighter regulations to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and nutjobs. Constitution or not, some people should NOT have guns.....
Is it legal in your state for criminals and the mentally ill to own or be in possession of guns?
If not, why is there a need for tighter controls?
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Rusty, I believe that everybody who agrees with my point of view makes good and reasonable remarks when controversial such as this are brought up, too.
Funny how that works.
(Sonny does tend to be level-headed, though.)
[ October 17, 2012, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: Don Coplen ]
Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
If I carried a gun I probably would trip and shoot myself in the leg....I had known an older lady who was a seamstress in Ft. Lauderdale but she was in her early 80's then. I used to visit her as we would do a little crocheting and shooting the breeze. She lived in a house that was 3 miles from the beach and said she was there when she could see the beach from her house before the building and this lady was a real tough cookie. One night she called me and said she thought someone was at her screen door and she got up and pulled her gun and accidentally shot herself in the leg. Another time, I was in bed in my next apartment and the neighbor shot through the wall but went the other direction through my other neighbor's closet wall and right through her favorite red dress. Wow, and that is the civilized part of Fort Lauderdale.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
the 2nd amendment was put in place in 1791. NOW THE OTHER PART OF THIS.... the level of armament technology OF THAT TIME. 1791, rifle was a SINGLE SHOT, POWDER BALL AND CAP. 1st cartridge guns, came to be 1856. AND in those days....EVERY BODY HUNTED animals for food. most people today, even those who have guns, HAVE NO IDEA OF HOW SKIN OUT AND FIELD DRESS A DEER. BUT THEY GOT AN AK-47 or M-16))))))))))))
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Don...notice I did conclude my post with..." at least I think so."...to qualify my statement as a subjective one.
[ October 18, 2012, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
I have a license to carry, but I have it to legally carry a gun & be protected while I hike & paint in the woods. My mom says she's more worried about me meeting bad people in the woods than bad animals.
I agree with Sonny too. Some nuts shouldn't be allowed to own guns.
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Sonny, has anyone ever come up with regulations to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and nutjobs? All I've ever heard of was regulations to keep them out of the hands of those who abide by the law. It's just like anything else -- alcohol, drugs, abortions, etc. Prohibiting them simply makes them more expensive and means people have to take more trouble to get them. Of course it does provide jobs for millions of new gvmt employees.
Posted by Bobbie Rochow (Member # 3341) on :
Dennis, I don't think he meant to ban them, just to tighten things up so people with past records can't get them & use them for harm.
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Bobbie, OK so I'll ask the same questions again. We've already got lots of laws about felons or people on probation having guns. Do they accomplish anything?
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
I wonder if this is a "real" topic, or if people are just curious and want to test if Barb and Steve are monitoring their website.
Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
Nothin'
[ October 19, 2012, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: Mikes Mischeif ]
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
Always watching, but I know you all know our desire to avoid chatting about topics that divide and take the focus off the real reason we come here.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Do all felons and people on probation acquire guns and use them or does the law have a deterent effect on some?...there are lots of laws against stealing, speeding, murder, child pornography, etc...yet these laws are also violated ...so I ask the question...do they accomplish anything?...or do you think these laws have a deternent factor...Hi Steve Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
...and do rules to avoid chatting on topics that divide us stop us?
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
The topic is a sign company employee who was fired.
My own boss at a cab company a few years ago had a wacky driver come at him like he was going to do him in. He keeps pepper spray in his desk drawer, altho he says he really ought to have a pistol.
OK. No more, altho I like such discussions.
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
People get fired from jobs every day. This IS about a GUN NUT who started killing people when he got fired.
Posted by Don Hulsey (Member # 128) on :
Actually it is about some idiot that started killing people because he was fired. Whether he had a gun or not, he was still an idiot.
Someone needs to run the numbers on how many people own guns as opposed to how many people kill people with guns.
I personnaly do not own a gun because my wife told me before we married that she would rather not have them in the house. The next day I sold all 8 of the ones I had. I think anyone that has the intelligence to make a choice should have the right to choose to have them or not.
I also think the people that choose to do stupid things with them should be punished accordingly. I also think people that do stupid things with alcohol and vehicles, knives, and even rocks should be punished accordingly.
Many years ago someone set fire to a local hotel, and over 120 people died in the fire. Should we ban matches?
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Another point for David.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Unfortunately, the price of freedom includes an occasional nutjob using a gun with tragic results.
Just as unfortunate that many people drive drunk and kill people, or have poor driving skills and kill people.
Driving drunk is illegal. Yet people drive drunk and kill people every day in America. Shall we restrict booze, or make certain concoctions of liquor illegal so that some theoretical person might not be able to drive drunk some day?
Shall we stop selling knives, and baseball bats, and trampolines? Should we ban surgeons from working on people - who kill and maim thousands of people each year?
Should cigarettes be banned? Look at the carnage caused by these cancer sticks.... emphysema,heart disease, cancer, etc.?
There are literally thousands of gun laws on the books now. The liberals won't truly be happy until nobody can own one. And the United Nations is trying hard with support from Hillary Clinton and Obama to do just that - a global ban on small arms. The United Nations sculpture in NY even has a handgun with the barrel tied into a knot.....
Somebody needs to alert good americans that 'The Redcoats are Coming'.... except that they are already here.
Posted by Rick Janzen (Member # 7227) on :
Are we done preaching from the soap box yet? Not sure what any of this has to do with signs.
[ October 21, 2012, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: Rick Janzen ]
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
I think it has a lot to do with signs, this happened at a sign company which hits home to a lot of us. I as an owner with employees do carry. this could happen to any one of us.
I hope I am never presented with this horror, but I feel better if I did, that I would at least have that option to protect not only my life but more importantly others' lives. And, I can tell you, people who skim under the arm of the law, can aquire handguns in a blink of an eye, so laws do nothing to stop the criminals. Not one fricken thing.
[ October 21, 2012, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: Bob Rochon ]
Posted by Rick Janzen (Member # 7227) on :
I have to disagree with you Bob. This doesn't have anything to do with signs, just that the unfortunate incident took place at a sign shop. It has more to do with violence in the workplace. This post has turned into a platform to debate gun control, both the pros and cons. I'm sure there's forums out there that you could spend all day debating the topic, I just don't think a sign forum is the place to do it.
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
But, Steve would have locked the thread when he posted three days ago if he didn't want it to continue.
Posted by Michael Clanton (Member # 2419) on :
I worked at a screen shop for almost 10 years- my boss had a loaded 9mm in his top desk drawer the entire time- I only saw him use it once... but it was good to know it was there and ready to use if needed-as we were also located in an area that had gangs and thugs and drug dealers that wandered around unchecked and unhindered by laws or law enforcement--
it is tragic but the reality is there are more and more evil, stupid people in our world who have no regard for another person's life- I don't know how you get rid of those people to allow others to be able to live a decent life, but so far everything that has been tried by governments has ended up helping the evil people and punishing the decent people...
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Amen to that, Michael and Bob.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
I was raised in a hunting family...we had rifles and shotguns and taught gun safety and respect from the start...we never had an accident...we hunted squirrels, rabbits, doves, quail, deer, and at times most anything that crawled, swam, or flew...if you were a critter and not someone's pet or property then you were history when we were armed...we were very proficient killers...at about 12 my older brother and I took different paths...to demonstrate...he got a new shotgun for Christmas and I got a pair of binoculars and the big Audubon Birds of America book which I still have to this day and still on occassions browse through...my brother and I still hunted wildlife but in very different ways...so I've not owned or used a gun since but my wife owned a pistol for a while when she operated a little health food store and carried the money nightly...so I don't mess with guns but here are events that happened to people that I personally know where guns were involved.
When I was a kid my good friend's mother shot and killed an intruder who had attacked her in her sleep...as he attempted to rape her she reached under her pillow where she kept a revolver and blew him away.
Shortly after I married there was a guy we knew in the apartment below us...he got in a fight with his wife...went to the bedroom and blew his brains out...we heard the shot.
My sister-in-law committed suicide using my brother's pistol...my nephew found her in the bedroom.
A new friend I've recently made down at the lumber yard told of a tragic gun incident in his family...his father accidently killed his brother while cleaning a rifle.
Another guy that I made a sign for walks with a very very pronounced limp because of an accident while cleaning his gun...his leg was nearly lost.
A kid that I coached in youth league basketball used a pistol to rob a mom and pop store...he's presently doing time for the crime.
One of my wife's relatives...a teenager...was accidently killed by his friend while handling a pistol at his house.
From what I read my experiences bear out the stats...guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used in self-defense. I guess everybody has their stories...but these are the ones that I have personal knowledge of...however...I do not know if the kid I coached used a gun from home to commit his crime.
[ October 21, 2012, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by Len Mort (Member # 7030) on :
All LTC holders are welcome in my shop, I feel much safer with them then alot of the public, It's not uncommon for many of my customers to drop in to talk about thier newly purchased pieces. Those with permits are more trustworthy than those without!
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
well lenny when the other thing you used to talk about no longer works..........then you replace it with a hard metal object)))))
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
Rick, HAPPY BIRTHDAY RAYMOND doesnt have anything to do with sign-painting either.
Posted by Don Hulsey (Member # 128) on :
However there are many other posts on this site that DO talk about signs.
You should not have to read very far into this one to figure out what it is about, and you shouldn't have to read very much farther to realize that it is of interest to a LOT of people here.
If it is of interest to you, and you have an opinion, you can post it. If it is not of interest to you, you can simply close it, and look at one of the many other topics. If that is the case you may want to remember the heading, so you don't accidentally click on it again.
Thank you Steve, for allowing this one to continue.
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
Rusty, I can't imagine having a gun under my pillow. I guess it worked out unlike the others.
We should start a thread about all the personal tragedies with autos, that would be a list.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
David...she was a widow lady and her son was spending the night with a friend...they were gun collectors and she was very familiar with handling firearms...but we all thought the same thing as you did...how dangerous to keep a loaded pistol under your pillow...but anyway that was the police report.
Posted by Rick Janzen (Member # 7227) on :
Gee...I guess I won't be getting any "Happy Birthdays" from this group. Maybe I'll just go paint a sign instead.
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
Happy Birthday Rick Posted by Rick Janzen (Member # 7227) on :
Thanks Bob, love the happy face. I guess the problem with subjects like this is, everyone has a passionate view, and there can be no clear winners. I think the real issue is the sad state of affairs we find our selves in that we feel we have to arm ourselves just to go to work. I'm not sure what the answer is.
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
There's not a single day that goes by that a cab driver doesnt get shot and killed in the USA, and always by people carrying illegally. That's why the drivers who want to have a chance at defending themselves arm themselves. That is their ONLY defense. All the other feel-good stuff like GPS, alarms, cameras in the cabs, and cops are of no value.
Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
Gee, I can clearly see who I fit in with and who I don't!!! haha If you don't like guns...don't get one...but don't tell me I can't protect my home or self. Good day!
Posted by Len Mort (Member # 7030) on :
quote:Originally posted by old paint: well lenny when the other thing you used to talk about no longer works..........then you replace it with a hard metal object)))))
Mr Pirbish; That was very uncalled for remark, but then again we know where it's coming from. No suprise there!
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
well lenny........it was good)))))))))) deal with it)_))
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
oops
[ October 24, 2012, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Rusty - do you subscribe to 'right to die' or assisted suicide? If so, what difference does it make which method a person chooses to end his/her life? Gun... pills... knife...
Regarding accidents: I picked up and carried too heavy a load of 2X4's years ago and carried them into my brother's house for a home improvement project... I twisted my back to jockey the load of lumber from his entry door into an offset basement door to take the lumber down the basement. For that stupid move, I was awarded a lifetime of lower back pain issues. How is that 'accidental' permanent physical injury any different than someone not following proper procedures and shooting himself in the leg? It's called the Darwin Award.
I know a guy, who killed himself at 22 yrs old..... left a note and hung himself from his apartment ceiling light fixture with a dog chain. Whoever the electrician was, gets kudos for a sturdy installation. Point being... there are a million ways to die, but not as many ways to protect your family and property.
Does a person have a choice when someone else runs a stoplight and kills him/her? How are you going to legislate against that? Let's begin to add up the traffic deaths attributed to drunk driving, stupidity, distractions, negligence, etc..... and then ban driving altogether.
I can give you many personal stories of non-gun related tragedies.... it doesn't make any difference whether a gun was involved or not.
I am 51 years old... and I have several AR15's.....as well as many other firearms. I've never had the urge to shoot someone. Not ever.
[ October 23, 2012, 09:04 AM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
sorry toddie, but you saying you never had the URGE to shoot somebody, AND OWNING SEVERAL AR-15's.......is not adding up. glad you didnt take your guns to the movie theater)))) oh i guess you bought those guns, cause they are pretty, and/or you have a lota varmits to kill so you need a "couple" fully automatic weapons???? hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[ October 23, 2012, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
Todd...I hear your points...some valid...others not so much...at least to me...however I think it best to decline getting in a "tit for tate" debate as I wouldn't want to be the first person you have an urge to shoot. ...however you would be a pretty cool guy to debate with...wait...we did do that once before as I recall...it was the healthcare issue...as I remember we actually had a pretty good time even though the subject was controversial...I thought we both made some reasonable points...to our credit we kept it civil and even had some fun...I came away from that with alot of respect for you even though we disagreed and you had caused me to miss about 2 weeks of work..that last remark was meant as a joke...though I think we could do that again and still remain friends I'm bowing out of this one...I also learned to never get in a debate with Glenn...the guy is brillant at the art of debate.
[ October 23, 2012, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
This thread provides solid evidence that the gossip/backstabbing/disrespect section of Letterville should be shut down permanently and emphasis be put on the portfolio section.
Perhaps replace the gossip/backstabbing/disrespect section with a new design/layout section.
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
The primary reason that MOST people get guns is to SHOOT SOMEBODY! That is what they are intended for. Whether you 'approve of' gun control or not, gun control IS the only thing that can curb the bloodshed.
Posted by Raymond Chapman (Member # 361) on :
What a dumb statement!
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
He makes a lot of them Ray.
Posted by Rusty Bradley (Member # 6938) on :
What was here was probably not helpful so I deleted it...my bad.
[ October 23, 2012, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Bradley ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
if you dont own a gun......TO KILL SOMEONE, if your attacked.............THEN you tellin me that your such a good shot you would ONLY WOUND THEM????? end of that tack..........)))))))))))
[ October 23, 2012, 05:24 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
The primary reason that MOST people get knives is to STAB SOMEBODY!
Posted by Dennis Kiernan (Member # 12202) on :
A lot of people dont know that Thomas Jefferson carried a gun all his life but was such an incompetent he managed to shoot only one person.
I've had a gun most my life and havent been able to shoot anybody. Nothing but tin cans and targets.
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Just ignore Lil Billie Pickett ... he makes Old Paint sound intelligent, by comparison!
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
then tell me...........different)))))))) you cant
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
OP - just to clarify: AR15's are NOT fully automatic 'machine guns' as you state. They are semi-automatic. No different than a small bore .22 target rifle. They do look menacing and they are a beautiful piece of industrial design. Odd as this may sound, I enjoy guns as much for the design as anything.
What do I own these guns for? Pleasure shooting, hunting, and protection - as promoted and described by our founding fathers.
The AR15 is an excellent varmint gun.... I had to shoot a coyote that was hanging around the perimeter of our yard in broad daylight staring at my kids...very unusual acting. I suspected he was rabid....finally put him in my sights one day when he was trotting along the back field. Took him down with one shot, 140 yards, iron sights. I was pretty pleased with that shot.
Here is a lesson for those that think 'Assault Rifles' (a menacing term used by the liberal media to instill fear into it's viewers)are military combat weapons:
Semi Automatic Rifle (such as the AR15: you must physically squeeze the trigger each time you want the gun to fire. One trigger pull equals one shot fired. Holding the trigger in a depressed position does NOT release a continuous volley of ammunition.
Fully Automatic Rifle (illegal for sale in most states - generally sold only to law enforcement agencies and the military): These rifles generally have a switch on the the gun which allows either single shots or fully automatic operation. In the fully auto mode, depressing and holding the trigger continues to fire ammunition until you release the trigger.
Back to the topic at hand: I see nothing wrong with protecting one's employees, business, and personal safety from kooks and criminals.
Animals have an instinct for self-preservation and will fight to survive. It should come as no surprise that human beings would have a desire to protect what they cherish: their lives and their property.
[ October 24, 2012, 08:05 AM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
Posted by Tony Vickio (Member # 2265) on :
"Animals have an instinct for self-preservation and will fight to survive. It should come as no surprise that human beings would have a desire to protect what they cherish: their lives and their property."
Well said Todd!!
Just my two cents! I have a Concealed/Carry Permit (in New York State.......not easy to get). Carry a Ruger LCP all the time & like Todd have a fantastic "Varmit" gun.........an AK-47! Love that gun!! Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
"I see nothing wrong with protecting one's employees, business, and personal safety from kooks and criminals." That statement can easily go both ways. My wife and I came home late last night after working. When I pulled in the driveway, my wife asked me "Who is that?" My stupid ass thought she was talking about the two cats in the driveway. She went on to explain once we got in the house there was a man lurking outside. I go outside and there is a neighbor from across the street. I don't know him but the guy next door to him says he's a kook and keeps him up all night. He comes over and says he is looking out for the lady that lives directly across from him. He's wearing a t shirt, pajama bottoms and has a holster with a pistol in it. What, I'm supposed to feel safe. He went on and on about an opossum in the neighborhood, ( now I am completely terrified ) and the teenagers walking up and down the street. Sorry, but I can see nothing good coming from this, it's totally unnecessary and quite frankly it scares me. This guys house is in a shambles. We live in a rather quiet decent neighborhood. The average response time for the police here is under two minutes. I will be dropping by the police station today!!!!
Posted by Raymond Chapman (Member # 361) on :
My response to Billy's comment was about the comment, not Billy. We have been friends for a long time, even wrote some articles for Sign Business together years ago. Certainly, I was not saying that Billy was dumb, only the statement that he made.
For the record, I've never owned a gun in my life and shot one for the first time this past summer when I was on a men's retreat and we did some target shooting.
You cannot legislate morality. If someone wants to kill me they can find a way. There are already laws against killing people and many of them are aimed at guns. In my opinion, more laws will not keep people from harming each other. The laws we have now are intended to do that and yet those who violate the law do so outside of the present laws. If they intended to abide by the law they would not harm anyone, by any means.
We can punish those who violate the law, but the law itself does not prevent the action of those who do not respect the law.
My Dad used to say, "Locks only keep the honest people out".
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
TODD...you really want to make people belive that schit you talk about??? really p.o.s' me when someone tries to tell me something about a gun, how pretty it is and how it works, LIKE IAM AN IDIOT? making an AR-15 FULLY AUTO.......is not hard to do. i was playing with guns from the time i was 8-9 years old, and shooting varmits at 200 yards with iron sights, was easy. 650 yards with .264 mag, and 24X scope, grouping in a 6 INCH TARGET!!!! dont try blowin smoke......when i know better. GUN ARE MADE TO KILL...........main function. NOTHING ELSE.
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