just saw the meat recall(27.4 M I L L I O N P O U N D S ) for listeria. has killed 44 people sofar.....IAM GLAD IAM A VEGITARIAN....
[ October 14, 2002, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Cheryl Lucas (Member # 1656) on :
RA-RA REE, kick 'em in the knee. RA-RA RASS, kick 'em in the other knee!
Posted by Mark Fair Signs (Member # 289) on :
hey paint, ya gotta know how to spell it in order to be one..... LOL
V-E-G-E-T-A-R--I-A-N
eat more pork, the other white meat! hahahahahaha
Posted by Jeff Bailey (Member # 1975) on :
I'm glad I don't recognize any of the brand names of deli meat that have been recalled. It's terrible that lives have been lost due to a problem.
Though I can't wait to get home to the fresh shrimp, and nice fat Porterhouse the lovely Joanna is grilling for us as I type.
"The recall covers deli meat primarily sold under the company's Wampler Foods brand, though it is also sold under brands including Block & Barrel, Bonos, Golden Acre, Reliance and a variety of private labels. The products include turkey and poultry sold freshly sliced or made into sandwiches at deli counters and in individually sold packages of sliced deli meats. Copied from the American Statesman Posted by Mark Fair Signs (Member # 289) on :
jeff, shrimp and a porterhouse sounds mouth watering to me! i will be there in 18 hours! LOL
mark
Posted by coop (Member # 504) on :
Eat right, stay in shape, don't smoke, DIE ANYWAY!
Posted by Rick Chavez (Member # 2146) on :
I went Vegan for a while, lost 100 lbs and was miserable CARNIVORES RULE!
Rick
Posted by Scott Moyer (Member # 1433) on :
That company is only 20 miles away from my house,we have consumed many of their products over the years.It is a clean professinal company when I was trucking I took their products all over the country so read all labels from wampler longacre this is the home of the sundance kid.Joe I just heard today that the fruits and vegtables have some very harmful pestisides sprayed on them [cancer causing] everyone be careful.
Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
I cut out yeast causing foods one year. No dairy, sugars, fruit, starches. The best year I ever had, lost 30 lbs of toxins, fats, etc. in 6 weeks. My energy soared through the roof (not slimfast commercial, mind you). But I ate an excellent diet of egg omelets and salsa, along with carrot and veggie juices, plenty of water for breakfast... Lunch a huge salad of dark green leafy lettuces and spinach, added fresh broccoli, carrots, tomatoes, sweet onions, shelled sunflower seeds,green peppers, radishes, kidney beans, garbanzo beans, olives, and then I cheated with a touch of olive oil and vinegar (not supposed to have vinegar). That filled me up and I was not craving anything else. Again at supper the same but varied. And I could have all the lean meat I wanted. Lots and lots of water and v-8. sure, I may have thought I would miss milk, cheese and all the bread and fruits but not to have the achy joints and extra weight and fatigue gave me the mental strength to do that. I was cranky for a week, but that was the only side effect. I do believe in vegetarianism and think we should be informed in case it comes to that. I do also wish I were disciplined enough to get back to either of those diets, and would like all the encouragement I can get. ps I also found it to be very helpful in my marriage when your body is in sync, so is everything that belongs to it!
[ October 14, 2002, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: Deb Fowler ]
Posted by Jeff Bailey (Member # 1975) on :
mmmmm Mark you missed out!! Deb! Wonderful. you should be VERY proud of yourself.. I keep telling myself I'm going to do it too, but I've yet to eliminate the starch, sugar and carbohydrate rich foods. Very glad it's working for you ;-)
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
scott, remember iam from pa,30 miles south of mars. i used to have a friend who worked in a packing house(place where they butcher and make hotdogs, bolgona,lunch meats and all the other stuff). he was the 4-12 shift cook/janitor. as for fruits and veggies havin pesticides, i can wash most thing i eat. those i cant, i cook at high heat(wok i use 160,000 BTU fire). went to a backcracker(i was down for a week)he took xrays of my back. i had told him that i been a vegetarian for the last 14 yrs. he looked at the xray and asked my age again, told him iam 57, he said..."well that veggie diet is doin wonders for you, stick with it, your bones look like a 40 yr. olds"!!!
Posted by Ian MacRae (Member # 3088) on :
quote:Originally posted by coop: Eat right, stay in shape, don't smoke, DIE ANYWAY!
Coop, I don't disagree with your statement, and there is even the possibility of cashing it in earlier than some smokers etc. but..... in the process of living I Feeeel Goooood!!!!
Posted by AdrienneMorgan (Member # 1046) on :
quote:"Listeria Facts
Listeria are a group of bacteria found frequently in the environment. One species, Listeria monocytogenes, can cause serious food-borne illness, listeriosis. Listeria is most often present in raw milk, surface-ripened cheeses and other raw foods including vegetables.
OP....
quote:BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND
[ October 15, 2002, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: AdrienneMorgan ]
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
Why's everybody always pickin' on OP?
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
ok....and your point is......?????? the fact still remains it is in 27.4 MILLION POUNDS OF MEAT, AND HAS KILLED 44 PEOPLE!!!! the CDC in atlanta would consider that an EPEDEMIC if it was smallpox, polio, tb........aperently if in veggies and mike and cheese...it is not doing any harm to anyone, and i eat mine cooked at higher heat then you cook meat at...... i aint seen a recall on brocolli or bok choy!!!!!!!
[ October 15, 2002, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Mike Languein (Member # 319) on :
...When did I team up with cheese? and why are you picking on us, OP?
"Mike & Cheese"
Posted by Jeff Bailey (Member # 1975) on :
I thought 20 people had died?
Posted by Mark Matyjakowski (Member # 294) on :
quote: At least 120 illnesses and 20 deaths were caused by listeria in eight Northeast states since last summer. The genetic strain that caused those illnesses is different than the strain found at the plant, officials said.
I don't think the sky is falling yet ... but still gonna cook my meat before I eat it. Posted by AdrienneMorgan (Member # 1046) on :
Mama always said "It aint gonna git better if ya pick it"
[ October 15, 2002, 09:33 PM: Message edited by: AdrienneMorgan ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
dont eat bought bean sprouts, grow my own , same with mung beans and alfalfa sprouts. hummus, we make our own, si gave me the recipe. stawberry's we get local when in season, celery, only eat it cooked. but again rain.....AINT SEED NO BODY DEAD from the ones you pointed out!!!!its still veggie 0, bad meat 44.....DEAD!!!
Posted by AdrienneMorgan (Member # 1046) on :
OP...I'm not trying to argue with you....just pointing out that Listeria and Salmonella, as well as other bacterias common to animal flesh are also found on just about anything...
Why do you pick on those who don't live the way you do...we're glad you are a vegitarian, that leaves more meat for the rest of us!
lol, you know I'm just yanking your chain
I want that Hommus recipe, btw.....!!
[ October 16, 2002, 03:43 AM: Message edited by: AdrienneMorgan ]
Posted by Robert Larkham (Member # 2913) on :
Does OP smoke or drink of any sort?
Posted by John Deaton III (Member # 925) on :
Im not a vegetarian,yet, but I stay away from processed meats like those in the news now. Round here they call "baloney" the poor mans steak. Not mine. I never eat it or ham,etc. Nasty stuff.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i know rain, you just funnin, and iam not pushin vegetarian living, just point out where this country is going(not only in meat inspection). rob, i dont drink (AA memeber 28 yrs)quit smoking 15 yrs ago(after couple heart attacks)became a vegetarian 12 yrs ago(cholestrol was 305, and within 60 days after i quit eating ALL fleshes, and eggs, i had it checked and it was down to 150)dont drink cokes(quit them about same time as meat)will do a root beer now and then. i drink those CANADA DRY FLAVORED SELTZERS, the ones with no sugar, calories or sodium. and yes iam a "P.I.T.A.(pain in the ass non smoker, dont like to even be around it). as for eating meat that i would raise or hunt, i would probalby still eat that.
Posted by Mike Languein (Member # 319) on :
I like to raise a little meat, whenever I can - well, not so little I have to hunt for it - but I'd as soon have somebody else eat it.
Hee hee heeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by Robert Larkham (Member # 2913) on :
OP, You seem to have taken all the fun vises out of your life. I hope your still having sex...oh wait, that kills you these days too.
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
LOL snort......hyuk....geez you guys are funny~
Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :
DEATH is a natural part of living. To try to cheat it, extent it, or somehow try to aviod it. Seems to me trying to play God without the qualifications for such an adventure is futile and a waste of time. That is unless you FEAR death so much you are willing to go to ANY means possible to live selflessly. Thank for the information Joe about the "what ifs" Hope this helps
[ October 16, 2002, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: PKing ]
Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
Having recently met OP live and in person(in Mars) I now have a much better perspective on the source of these occasional missives. For those who have as of yet not had the pleasure, trust me, it's a memorable experience.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Cam..I have to say that I agree with you!!! Joe IS an experience!! LOL
He is a helluva great guy and a wealth of knowledge (some useful, some not! )
I feel fortunate to have met up with him on a couple of occasions in the past and look forward to the next time now that I am a "N.P.I.T.A.N.S." (NOT pain in the ass non smoker) (8 months and counting!!)
I still like eating meat, but for some reason I have cut down on it lately..Nowadays I eat more chicken and fish than beef and pork, and less of those than I used to as well. Veggies seem to go down better these days...and I have no idea why. Must be Joe's prayers!!!!!!!!! LOL Posted by Mike Languein (Member # 319) on :
Hmm ... "live AND in person"
sounds like double indemnity __________________________________________
"...tea and crumpets, tea and crumpets...what a combination." _____________W. C. Fields
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
rob ..i still have sex, and yes it will kill me...if the wife finds out!!!!!!! cam, thanks, meeting people in person.....is really the only way you can understand them .....and the pleasure was all mine, would like to have spent moretime talkin with ya, dave congrats on the not smokin....and yes, you need to come here on your way to mexico. mike your wife told me you cant raise meat at your age........hahahahahahaha
Posted by Mike Languein (Member # 319) on :
How IS the old broad, OP? I haven't seen her in 57 years.
btw, WHO is the old broad?
Posted by AdrienneMorgan (Member # 1046) on :
Mike had a Broad?????????
OP, I got a wok at a yard sale....now I'm stir frying (with a little peanut oil like you told me) almost everynight!
Tonight was prawns, asparagras and baby bok choy.
Last week was fresh, local caught wild Coho salmon...froze enough for MANY meals.
After the next rain I'm going Chantrelle hunting!
A:)
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
heheheheh rain...woks cook better the higher you can get the heat. i have mine set up outside(they will smell a house up)on one of those propane burners you buy, some places they call em "fish cookers" or "turkey deep fryer". these thing get heat up to 160,000 btu, your stove in the house if gas will only do 9,000-13,000 btu. these are what they use in orential restaurants, at least a burner that big if not more. mike she doin well, since she left ya....hehehehehehehehehehe.
Posted by Mark Fair Signs (Member # 289) on :
i too have met the great old paint on a couple of occasions. the only thing that bothers me about OP is the asparagus hanging out of his back pockets and tofu oozing out of his shoes. oh yea, the carrot behind the ear has got to go!
LOL
Posted by Suelynn Sedor (Member # 442) on :
I thought peanut oil was full of the bad kind of fat. What about olive oil? I use canola oil for deep frying and olive oil for stir frys etc.
Enquiring minds want to know!
Suelynn
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
oil fats are broken down into 3 groups...saturated, mono, and polyunsaturated, on the bottle of olive oil i got its 2, 1 & 1 grams. on the bottle of peanut oil it only has saturated and its 2 grams. not sure of which is the worst, but i use peanut oil in the wok because of its ability to take higher heat then other oils, and it dont take as much of it!! Like all fats, oils differ in their molecular structure and are categorized by their degree of "saturation." Without going into too much chemistry, this refers to the arrangement of their carbon atoms and links with hydrogen and oxygen. We've all been sufficiently browbeaten about the heart health risks of saturated fats -- those that remain solid at room temperature. Coconut, palm and palm kernel oils fall into this category, and I wouldn't recommend using them, period.
Monounsaturated oils contain only one double carbon bond and are liquid at room temperature but cloud and thicken when chilled. Olive, canola, peanut, avocado, almond, macadamia and hazelnut oils are monounsaturated fats. High-oleic safflower and sunflower oils are two others. Consuming monounsaturated oils seems to reduce total blood cholesterol and so-called "bad" low density lipoproteins (LDL) without affecting "good" high density lipoproteins (HDL) levels.
Polyunsaturated oils, such as regular safflower and sunflower, walnut, corn and soybean oils, remain liquid whether in or out of the refrigerator. Sesame oil contains close to half monounsaturated and half polyunsaturated fatty acids. Polyunsaturated oils used to be the healthful heroes because they too reduce total cholesterol and LDL, but we now know they also decrease HDL's positive effects. Plus, polyunsaturated oils are chemically unstable, especially when exposed to heat, and are highly susceptible to attack by "free radicals," unbonded oxygen molecules that potentially promote cancer. Still, some polyunsaturated oil is necessary to obtain essential fatty acids.
A final group, superunsaturated oils, such as flaxseed oil, is characterized by three double carbon bonds. These stay somewhat liquid no matter how cold and contain EFAs, including omega-3, not present in polyunsaturated oils. Packed in opaque bottles in natural food store coolers, these oils are primarily used as dietary supplements and should never be heated over 212 degrees Because of their extreme instability, superunsaturated oils are extracted in the absence of oxygen and light by a cold vacuum method called Modified Atmosphere Packing. Try drizzling a bit of flaxseed oil in place of butter on baked potatoes, corn-on-the-cob, steamed vegetables, cooked grains and bread. http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0820/n237/19356348/p2/article.jhtml?term= if yuo want read it all.
Posted by AdrienneMorgan (Member # 1046) on :
Don't think I can get the stove through the backdoor....but, Sue's comment got me thinking....what if I used Grapeseed oil for my wokking? Equally as good for high heat cooking and very healthy.
Hmmm....and keep it in the frideg, nothings worse for you than rancidity in oils.
You wouldn't believe how many homes I've been in that have an old rancid bottle of oil sitting on the counter! eeew!
OP, better change the topic to:
Health Chat
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
You will excuse me if I don't rehash this tired old subject. I will be out back having a cyber smoke, anyone care to join me?
OP...how can you forgive yourself for all the (animal) murder you committed BEFORE becoming a PETA nut?
Today, I will eat a juicy cheeseburger garnished with bacon AND a load of fries cooked in animal fat in your honor.
You know, studies have shown that plant life has feelings and even react to music....hard to believe you would hack down and consume living organisms such as found in plantlife.
WHAT YOU EAT CAN MAKE YOU BARF! Can you imagine being restricted to eating weeds every day? Yeech!
Go McDonalds!!!!! Hehehehehehehehehehe
[ October 18, 2002, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
hahahahahahahaha dave.....cute!!! only way to smoke!!!! todd, my poor misguided freind, as for my killing and eating meat, no i dont feel bad. that was then, sorta like life with the other 3 wifes, dont feel bad about that either. and you keep on eating your burger,(and i wont have you around to antagonize me)but if "wisdom" ever becomes something that you attain, then you will understand.......untill then enjoy the grease and drugs!!!
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Saaalurrrrrp! Finger lickin' good! Mmmmmmmm. Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
Is this "good" fat and sugar Joe? (couldn't resist funnin' with ya!) heh-heh!
A vegetarian lifestyle is valid, but quite a balancing act to fulfill. Much discipline involved in getting optimum benefits from it. It just ain't about loading up at the salad bar.
I gave a mainly vegitarian lifestyle a try (7 yrs) and never really felt I was doing right by myself for the long term.
Sorry to hear about those who met their fate from that bacteria. Thanks for the heads up.
Janette
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA janet, yep dOnuts are ...veggie food. and no i dont make a habit of eating them. this was at a meet, and i do make do with whats offered. i tell people iam a vegetarian and the 1st thing they do is look me up and down, and they dont say it but but think, how can you be a veggie and be that big? i alway tell em(truth), i STILL have a battle with sweets and junk food. these are more harmful for ya than tainted meat!!!! i love ice cream, cake, chocolot,sonic banana cream pie shakes, and DENNEY'S cream pies. also have a problem with stuff that ends in O's......FRITO, DORITO, CHEETO,OREO.....i cant do just 1....of any of the above, 1 BAG....YES!!!!!! but we all have some "addiction", and iam doing the best i can with my last 2!!!! and if i ate meats, i would be probalby weigh 500 lb.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Now, see OP...it's really quite easy. You just have to follow the advice of a Republican, and "just say no". It works for all kinds of vices. "just say no" and walk away.
Just like you "say no" to meat...you "say no" to sugar.
Or better yet...say "no" to sugar and eat meat. Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
Vegetarianism can be a very complete way of living. Don't worry, to each his own. But I have done extensive research back in the early 70's and if you get the proper amount of amino acids along with a "healthy" pick of veggies, fruits, grains and nuts, along with the most fabulous ways things are cooked when done right, you just may feel wonderful, without all that bad colon crud. Hey, I do eat meat, and enjoy good meat, but do feel a tough time digesting it, and sleepy, yes, like a siesta sometimes, compared with the vegan lifestyle, where it just felt fabulous. I found a great vegetarian restaurant in Miami with all the best sauces and preparations, pleasing to the buds and the eye. The asthetics were awesome, not to mention the employees with a great attitude! Since it is too hard for me to give up light meats and have everything in order to eat properly on that everyday, doesn't mean I don't want it back. I guess I would just have to add a tiny bit of fish everyday to make sure. Even when I eat meat, I always want to eat the free range stuff, and is it yummy! And, more humane than raising the chickens in the coops! Plus, organic free range include a drug-free feed for them to be nourished on. So, if we do the meat, give that a try.
[ October 20, 2002, 09:07 PM: Message edited by: Deb Fowler ]
Posted by rattler (Member # 2344) on :
At the risk of adding to the fire.
Being born is a fatal disease, got a cure?
P.E.T.A. stands for People Eating Tasty Animals
dOnuts are food for the brain, especially if the hunt ends at Krispy Kreme.
My ex-wife went veggie for a couple of years and rather than try to stock the larder with two different life styles I gave it a try too. I didn't lose the weight that I thought I would (probably the Krispy Kremes and coffee for breakfast) But other than that I survived quite nicely. I even learned to appreciate a good eggplant, and developed a contest winning veggie chili.
I have since gone back to the dark side and prefer my RibEye cooked on the rare side.
My attitude tends to get me into trouble more often than not. ( if you haven't ticked sombody off you're not doing it right!) But stressing about what someone thinks is alot harder on the body than diet can be. I plan on passing out of this world happy and on the trail of a rumored Krispy Kreme.
Take it Easy,
Jed
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
now your talkin to a DONUT CONIESURE.... and KRISPY KREMS ARE GARBAGE(i wont even eat em) DUNKIN' DONUTS RULE!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Dunkin' Donuts has the best coffee. The donuts are choke-downable. Tim Horton's makes the best apple fritters, next to Tops Markets (local store). DD definately has the best coffee...
Have a great one!
Posted by rattler (Member # 2344) on :
OP,
If Dunkin' Donuts had a fresh off the line glazed, that you could watch being cooked, while sipping on a french roast and then have it melt in your mouth before it has even started to cool, I'd conceed your point. Their other donuts are ok but not great. Dunkin' does have the best old fashioneds, cake donuts and boston cremes. But I still haven't found a better glazed than a fresh Kripsy Kreme. But to each their own... A donut is better than no donut! As it is the nearest Dunkin' is about 90 miles away and K.Kreme is over 120 miles. Neither one gets as much business as I would like. Most mornings I make do with the local gas stations selection. One of the drawbacks of having moved to the middle of nowhere. Can you say ROAD TRIP? !!
Tell ya what. If I get the chance to make it to a panel jam with you in attendance, the donuts are my treat where ever we can get them... Deal?
Never met a donut I didn't like,
Jed
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
the KK here...makes the GREASIEST donuts in the world, i will not eat them!!!! the ones at kathys meet where as good as DUNKIN!!!! yes its a deal!!!
Posted by AdrienneMorgan (Member # 1046) on :
After having my first KK in So CA I will have to say, those warm, fresh, glazed ARE the most amazing thing I've ever eaten!!!
The other verieties are yuck....and yes,Bruce, Tim Horton's are pretty good, eh? I wonder if they have TH's in Victoria? I'm actually closer to Victoria than Seattle.
Our Church is taking orders for KK to raise money for the youth group...$7 a doz....concidering they have to leave at 5 am to get to Seattle early to pick them up (that's the closest one we have here) I guess that's not bad, 'cept they won't be warm!
Ya gotta have em warm!!
A:)
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Krispy Kremes are junk....probably make them out of been sprouts.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
todd ..you sick???....your AGREEING WITH ME.....
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Now...let's not get all sentimental OP....hehehe.
Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
hahahaaaa... Joe! I've got no problems with any of the "o"s. Don't get snagged by snack food and Donuts.
But bring a carton of Breyer's Mint Chocolate chip in the house, and now there's trouble. I've actually taken a half eaten carton to the neighbour's and begged them to save me from it's grasp! hahahaaa ... no lie.
Then there's fudge! Dave and I just blew thru 2 pounds of the creamiest homemade stuff on our vacation.
Homemade chocolate chip cookies ... don't get me started! I baked a terrific version of them for our roadtrip, ... with choc. chunks, white choc. chips and tart dried cherries. Tooooo good!
My best defense from these goodies is to keep them out of the house!
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i keep most of that stuff outa the house, and as long as i stay home..........i do pretty good. family functions(hennie has neices, nephews, sisters, and their friends) are always havin birthdays,(chocolot cake, carrot cake,fritos, doritos, dips and cheese)and other get togethers....i belong to the pensacola vegetarian society(hahahahahha fancy name for a get together for a pot luck dinner, all great veggie fair)and my biggest problem is ice cream...could live on that.(must be from my druggie days, used to get stoned, and when i got the munchies....you guessed it 1/2 gal ice cream!!!)i cant do a really rich sweet...like "death by chocolot" a triple chocolat cake denneys has....to sweet.
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