quote:Originally posted by Steve Racz: Hello Letterheads,
How do i make the seams less noticeable?
With effective layout and design, which I'm sure will be no problem for you Steve.
Being installed in multiple sections I can't see any way to effectively cover the seams. If you keep the eye on the design elements than they won't even notice the seams.
-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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This is a pretty simple layout - the customer just wants "Weichert Realtors" in very large letters (must be painted in the historic district). it will be black letters on pantone yellow background - that's the Weichert colors (very noticeable but not my first choice).
I'm also doing a hanging carved sign if they can get a variance for it (no new projecting signs are allowed in the historic district - the previous owner was grandfathered in). I'm realling looking forward to doing the hand carved sign, but not so much the store front signs because once a sign gets over a certain size it's hard for me to handle (one man shop).
I was hoping there was some kind of trick to hide the seams.
Thanks, Steve
[ March 14, 2005, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: Steve Racz ]
-------------------- Steve Racz Racz's Handcarved Signs Posts: 1078 | From: New Jersey | Registered: Jan 2004
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A word of caution....is there enough temperature or humidity fluctuation that you need to allow for expansion and contraction....if so don't try to cosmetically cover the seams.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Yes. We get really humid summers in south jersey. In fact the current signs (done by someone else long ago) are actually warped although they weren't fastened with many screws.
I like when a sign is installed and you see no fixtures or apparent installation method such as screws through the face. I know this isn't always possible. So i was also thinking it would be nice if i could somehow hide the seams too.
Thanks, Steve
-------------------- Steve Racz Racz's Handcarved Signs Posts: 1078 | From: New Jersey | Registered: Jan 2004
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It helps to get down to the question of cause and effect. What usually makes seams show more is uneveness where the two pieces meet. What really helps is to have some control of how the pieces are mounted. Having a board behind each seam is what I've done in the past. Then I carefully tightened each board done snug. Being careful how each board is sanded and coated on the edges helps too.
All probably something you already considered, but it worked for me.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
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Be sure to glue the edges to prevent separation and twist. A little glue will do wonders to hide the seams.
-------------------- Pat Phipps Custom Trophy & Design Glenn Dale. MD ______________________ _ "A Man Don't Learn A Lesson Less It Costs Him Blood or Money " Posts: 78 | From: Glenn Dale, Maryland | Registered: Feb 2003
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i have curently used the Panel clips to install a sign and was very pleased with the results.
a bisket jointer and some construction adhesive..PL adhesive is flexable and strong and you can get it at Home Depot... elastromeric caulking will keep the seems from cracking open, this caulking is paintable..tool it in with a putty knife.here is the site for the panel clips ..they have installation instructions there..
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James - luckily there are nailers in place for the current signs - thanks!
Peter, Karyn - i was sort of wondering that myself - problem solved!
Pat - i used either Titebond III or West Systems epoxy to seal the edges - but you bring up an interesing problem in that applying the edge sealer tends to make the edge less flat if you know what i mean?
Chris - do you think the panel clips are strong enough for a 3/4" piece of MDO 28" x 86"? (there are multiple pieces but the biggest is 28x86)
Thanks, Steve
-------------------- Steve Racz Racz's Handcarved Signs Posts: 1078 | From: New Jersey | Registered: Jan 2004
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As for the panel clips, there is a similar product called Panel Z Clips available from Monarch Metals. They are in NY so I thought they may be closer for you. Panel clips are in CA.
I was actually turned on to them by the panelclips people. They are competitors so I thought it was pretty neat that they referred me due to a time constraint I had for shipping.
-------------------- Amy Brown Life Skills 101 Private Address Posts: 3502 | From: Lake Helen, FL, USA | Registered: Feb 2001
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I first used this product in longer lengths in 1985. The contractor woouldn't cut the sticks to save on the labor costs, just pop 4 lines spaced up the wall and space and the back of the panel(4 x 8 x 3/4 fabric covered birch. It was much too easy. With scarfed joints and longer clips behind the splices, they will be very hard to see from any distance.
I talked with the panelclip people a few days ago and they are sending me samples. I'm also going to check out Monarch Metal (thanks Amy).
My concern with panel clips was how easy the sign would be to lift off. I'm worried, probably unnecessarily, about wind. Vandalism isn't an issue because the signs will be installed out of reach.
Thanks, Steve
-------------------- Steve Racz Racz's Handcarved Signs Posts: 1078 | From: New Jersey | Registered: Jan 2004
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