Hi All, With such a diverse group, I'm curious who you snap your fingers to...who is your all-time fav?
ME- my favorite group is Phish (the Vermont group, not Fish or Fishbone) by a huge margin. For several reasons...
Clamoring for 2nd place are three groups off the top of my head, in no particular order- Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and the Dead. I love SRV but...
I was inspired by that last post Re SRV, and a local radio station had a feature where they rated the top 10 guitarists of all time last weekend. Incidentally they rated Jimi as #1. (then Page, Clapton, Angus Young, Eddie VH, etc.)
Posted by Felix Marcano (Member # 1833) on :
I'd really have to say its Archie & Edith Bunker & their famous intro to All in the Family!
Just kiddin'!
Posted by Corey Wine (Member # 1640) on :
Anywhere from the Doors to Sublime.
Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
Louisiana Gator Boys.
Posted by Terry Whynott (Member # 1622) on :
Favourite bands come and go but I will always be a Dead Head! My nickname on chat is Casey Jones. Just wanted to use a Grateful Dead reference even though very few people get it Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :
I like just about any type of music except that rap crap!
Posted by Steve Burke (Member # 2674) on :
Amy, I didn't want to say it, but I agree...I would even say further that the term RAP MUSIC is a mutually-exclusive term (boy will THAT offend some). If it wasn't for bands like the Police and Queen they would have no tunes to copy/sample!!
Terry- I hear ya. Fare thee well now, let your life proceed by it's own design. Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
Gosh there are just so many...... I am more of a blues person so my very favorite is Gary Moore. But when I think of rock and roll...there is Tom Petty, AC/DC, Blue Oyster Cult, Glenn Frey.............I could look thru my CD's all day and each one would be my favorite for the moment. Just depends on what I am doing.
Posted by Lee Hulick (Member # 1112) on :
Steve, you're forgeting Peter Wolf of the J. Giles Band. He's been credited for helping start that whole thing in the early 70's. Don't know how acurate that is, but he is a fourth generation licensed auctioneer.
Posted by Steve Burke (Member # 2674) on :
good point, Cheryl. I don't have a lot of DIFFERENT stuff right now because I haven't had time to experiment. I sold most of my old CD's a few years ago when I moved (biggest mistake I ever made), and haven't bought much new stuff.
I like blues- most bands I listen to have some in their music...I haven't delved into too many "blues" artists, yet, though. One thing I like is a band who sonds good live (hence my Phish attraction), and I think most blues artists sound good on stage, from what I've heard.
Posted by Frank Weidman (Member # 3004) on :
it really depends on my mood, if I am on the road in my van, well its all new rock station from Papa Roach, Sublime, System of a Down, Creed, and so on & so on.
If I am on a deadline or intense on a design then it is Mettalica, 9 inch nails, Limp Bizkit, somethin hard and fast.
And in the shop it,s all classic rock, from Ac/Dc, Aerosmith(favorite), Doors, Hendrix, "the Oldies"
So you can see it is all rock for me.(and if I am at home, it's my 2yr old banging on his drums!!)
Posted by John Thompson (Member # 2750) on :
I like that way out there musicians music like DreamTheater but theres no substitue for Metallica, AC/DC and all that 80's "real" not "hair" headbanging stuff.....ROCK ON DUDE!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
I forgot to mention Kim Mitchel!....a great CD sent to me from a friend in Canada. It ROCKS! Also Thin Lizzy......Cate Brothers.... And lets not forget country rock. How can you sit still when Diamond Rio or Mary Chapin Carpenter are playing? Hate to admit it but there is even some Rap Crap that is pretty good.
Posted by Arthur Vanson (Member # 2855) on :
All time favourite - first heard it in the late sixties - still play it regularly - still love it; 'Forever Changes' by Love.
T2's 'It'll All Work Out In Boomland', temporary favourite (for years).
Current favourite; Jocelyn Pook's CD 'Flood', the music used for Stanley Kubrick's movie; Eyes Wide Shut.
Sorry! Somewhere down the line this post transmuted into favourite album. Hope you don't mind.
Arthur
Posted by Mark Fair Signs (Member # 289) on :
my favorite CD right now is Kathy Chiavola's "From Where I Stand" Kathy was gracious enough to include one of my tunes on this musical endeavor soon to be released.
Slayer NOT RAP Nirvana SWING MUSIC & NOT RAP
Posted by Frank Weidman (Member # 3004) on :
Joe Pesci actually put a cd out acoupe of years ago, singin wise guys songs and some off the wall tunes. I have a copy of it, dont know the name of the title tho, all it says is "joe Pesci" It's funny this lil guy was serious when he made it, puts alot into the music. also I saw a group mention earlier the "Louisiana Gator Boys" is that the group that sang that song in that movie 'O brother where art thou' that song is awsome have to get that soundtrack and any other cd's by that group
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
Hmm... I'd have to say my fave band of all time is Faith No More.. Any band that can do a version of "War Pigs" that's better than the original gets a plus in my book. Plus they really reached beyond the boundaries of the typical rock band, using choirs and symphonies in both their music and their live concerts. They put on an AWESOME show!
I like Phish too, kinda catchy and light-hearted, off the wall kinda stuff.. Have you tried Ben & Jerry's ice cream flavor called "Phish Food"? Gooood stuff! Has to be my favorite flavor! They got pictures of the members of Phish on the lid, but they just arent ugly enough to keep me from eating that stuff.
Vanessa Mae - has to be the most talented violinist in existance. She plays classical music as well as classical/techno fusion, and she flat out rocks. She's the first person I know of that's ever had a violin specially made for running through an amplifier. I'll never forget the first time I heard of her.. there was a short clip of her on the Today show, she was in Times Square dancing on top of cars wearing leather and fishnet stockings and was playing that amplified violin with a snarl. I immediately began searching for her music and it wasnt until a few years later that she showed up on the import rack.. I now have all her CD's except for the newest one which hasnt hit the US yet.
ZZ Top cant be beat for cruisin' music..
There's just too much to list.. I can listen to pretty much anything except country.. I can tolerate country when I have to as long as I can tune it out.
I'm not a huge fan of Rap but there is some Rap I do like, such as Run DMC, Public Enemy, and not to forget the Beastie Boys. They're the innovators and all the rest are copycats.
I guess I'm probably more into older music because I like original stuff, anyone that has a distinctive sound instead of trying to mimmick other bands.
Posted by Henry Barker (Member # 174) on :
I was lucky enough to work in the music business before starting my sign biz 10 years ago. I have had the priviledge of working for many well know artists all over Europe, like: Robert Plant & Jimmy Page, Queen, Bruce Springsteen, Joe Cocker,Eagles, Bon Jovi, Madonna,Paul McCartney, Rolling Stones,Van Halen,ZZ Top and many more so I listen to all of them, and much more of the same.
I also really like Faithless, Massive Attack, The Chemical Brothers, and alot of modern music, also with the exception of rap.
Mike a couple of years ago I drove the Nightrider (doubledecker bus) with the band and crew of Faith No More from Stockholm down into Germany, they were a good bunch although I don't know much about their music.
Mik
[ June 05, 2002, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: Henry Barker ]
Posted by Stan McKinnon (Member # 2316) on :
I'm 47 years young but still enjoy groups like Creed, Metallica, etc. I really like ACDC which drives my wife insane. And I have a new found liking for Ozzy (especially after the hilarious TV show). And of course....John Mellencamp is the greatest.
Posted by Bob Burns (Member # 268) on :
THE RASCALS , THE BEATLES, JIMMI HENDRIKS, DJANGO REINHARDT.....and most currently Alison Krause blows me away!
Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
Cheryl is right, gary moores "still got the blues for you" has a permanent place in the cd changer. But being a young wipper snapper with a clean musical pallette in the late 70's has set deep impressions.
DJs on the radio back then would say stuff like "here's the 4th number one hit for 14 weeks from thier ALBUM hotel california" instead of "here's the boy bands latest pop SINGLE release remix dropping out of the top 10 after 6 weeks....blah blah blah"
If I had to pick: Steely Dan
Perfectionists in the studio (kinda like me) 10 years to produce an album, and best of all the lyrics don't make any sense whatsoever (kinda like me)
It seems that one of thier songs like "Rikki don't lose that number", "Reelin in the years", "My old school", "peg" or "time out of mind" is always on play in my subconscience.
Posted by Mark Fair Signs (Member # 289) on :
All Time favorite would have to be Social Distortion.
Way up there: Jesus Lizard, old Lemonheads (Taang), Kiss, Weezer, Neil Diamond, Mission of Burma, on and on and on....
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
For work, its the B-52's, James Brown, Joe Cotton, Talking Heads, Pat Benetar and Brian Setzer.
When its time to relax, its Sade and Veronica Martell.
Posted by Jim Doggett (Member # 1409) on :
U2
Posted by Dan Antonelli (Member # 86) on :
Rush, Floyd, Van Halen, Black Sabbath (with and without Ozzy), Ozzy on his own, Cranberries, Goo Goo Dolls
and more Rush, Rush, Rush!
Posted by Corey Wine (Member # 1640) on :
One would think after reading this post that we're all a bunch of "pot heads".....one would think.
[ June 05, 2002, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: Corey Wine ]
Posted by Steve Burke (Member # 2674) on :
Corey, I don't think that at all- it's the dance music crowd that think that...Notice NO-ONE said "Britney Spears' latest barfbag" or "9.8 degrees' newest overdub..."
People that say we are a bunch of potheads are just jealous because our fav's can actually play instruments...
It's impressive the range of music in here- but as I said, (although I haven't heard ALL of them)I would wager they mostly create i.e. play their own music. As much as Celine Dion has a nice voice, I can't take her music seriously because first of all that much yelling reminds me of my frat initiation, and anybody can get 4 or five people to mix tracks for you...WHERE'S THE SOUL, BABY!?! That's MY feelin, I just prefer to hear 3 or 4 people actually making their own music.
Gov't Mule is another smokin' band...2 Allman Bros' and a drummer...blues rock at it's best!! Posted by Steve Spiry (Member # 2201) on :
The Mamma's and the Pappa's[just kidding] Metallica-for mural painting Sublime-for cutting decals/design work Led Zep-for doing relaxing artwork Some others I listen to are:Whitesnake,Steve Miller,AC/DC,Live and of course SRV,That M&M guy is #1 on the charts here in Manitoba right now. Steve
Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
Louisana Gator Boys was the band in the Blues Brothers II movie at the battle of the bands. B.B. E.C. etc.
Nobody mentioned Santana or Fleetwood Mac, The Moody Blues, Asleep at the Wheel, or Foreigner.
I went to the concert in New Orleans after which The Grateful Dead got "..busted down on Bourbon St. set up like a bowling pin" The concert venue was: The Flock, It's a Beautiful Day, and The Grateful Dead. The ticket price was $3. I couldn't be called a true Deadhead because I'v eonly seen 'em 4 or 5 times and I never drove over a couple of hundred miles for the show.
[ June 05, 2002, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Santo ]
Posted by Frank Weidman (Member # 3004) on :
Thanks Mark for that site, defenitily goin to buy that soundtrack. almost forgot another favorite of mine saw him already 3 times and have a picture of myself standing next to his all American Harley Davidson "KID ROCK" (worked as a stage hand for awhile, saw some good concerts)
Posted by Robert Thomas (Member # 1356) on :
Steely Dan Posted by Harris Kohen (Member # 2139) on :
DOODS!!!!
Doodettes too!!!
I guess its a great thing that they didnt come out with CDL licenses and random drug testing until the nineties.
My favorite bands were groups like YES, ASIA, Todd Rundgren, Utopia, ELP, UK, GTR....
All those great bands that never got the recognition that they really deserve from being the cutting edge of music. they all delved into a form of music that wasnt so commercial yet it was mainstream for awhile.
Yes I enjoy them still today, if I dont have a YES cd in my possession at almost any given moment there is definitely something wrong and you should call me an ambulance.
Posted by John Thompson (Member # 2750) on :
I guess thats why I'm in signs now cause sign makers don't listen to "Hank Jr." like all my neighbors do.
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
This is impossible to answer. I listen to just about evrything with the exception of gospel, christian, fusion, classical and rap. By the way , the term "rap music" is an excellent example of an oxymoron To pick one favorite or even ten of twenty is impossible. I tend to play the hell out of my latest purchases. Lucinda Williams "Car wheels on a gravel road" played daily in my truck for a year and a half. I think that ws a record. I guess you could say I really liked that one.
I listened to "Beggars Banquet" today for what had to be the six thousandth time...." I heard you got a friend that's wilder than you, then why don't you bring her upstairs, if she's so wild she can join in too" they were lecherous even back then
"Stop making sense" by Talking Heads is another one that gets played A LOT. I still think Sam Cooke had the best voice, NOBODY plated the guitar like Jimi, nobody said more with less words than John Prine and that "Thunderstruck" bu AC/DC may just be the most kick ass song ever recorded
Terry, the trouble with you is the trouble with me
[ June 05, 2002, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: George Perkins ]
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
OK, I gotta add Depeche Mode to my list. I have a pretty heavy duty sound system in my truck (run more power than most people do in a home theater setup - muwahahahaha!!) and I was playin a few of their CD's while out running around today. They record their music in D|D|D (fully digital, start to end) and it just sounds AWESOME!
This brings me to other electronic and dance-mix faves: Fatboy Slim, Richard "Humpty" Vission, Enigma, Prodigy, The Crystal Method..
Then there's the soundtrack from the Cirque du Soleil show entitled "Mystere" that's been playing in Las Vegas for years.. If you go to Las Vegas, you MUST see this show, it's a truly awesome experience. They also have the soundtrack for sale on CD there (although you can buy the soundtrack at borders) and it's just as good as the show.
Posted by Felix Marcano (Member # 1833) on :
Well, honestly I like eighties. Poison, Def Leppard, that kind of stuff. Also Alanis, Celine, etc. Bob Marley & Steel Pulse I like from time to time... NO...I...DON'T...LIKE...RAP...
Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
Awww Hell! I ain't had a muggle since '86 and it looks like I'm comeing down. Like George said this is an impossible question to answer. It's like when Howard Cosell was on Monday Night Football and everyweek there was a new "Greatest" star, who happened to be on that week.
My favorite band- The Band. But there could be a thousand more. Elvin Bishop, Bob Seeger and SBB, Marshall Tucker Band, Chicago, Z.Z. Top, The Funky Meters, The Neville Bros., Willy Nelson and Family, Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Bar-Kays, The Isley Brothers, Funkadelic.....
Who said I liked music anyway?
[ June 05, 2002, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: Santo ]
Posted by david drane (Member # 507) on :
Kentucky Headhunters Posted by goddinfla (Member # 1502) on :
Alison Krause definitely my number one, but I like some of any kind of music, and not all of any kind. Even like some (very little) rap.
Posted by Howard Keiper (Member # 1250) on :
The Who..."Tommy"(the original vinyl cut, not the CD)
CSN..."Suite Judy Blue Eyes",etc. (NO Neil Young)
Fleetwood Mac..."Rumors"
Brooks & Dunn..."Waitin on Sundown"
June Christy..."Something Cool"
Posted by John Thompson (Member # 2750) on :
Here's a rap song for us signmakers...HA!HA!HA!
~I make signs & I can Rap.... I guess all the One-Shot's makin' me dream up this crap.
~Whether it be vinyl, paint or wood.. I'll make you a sign and it'll look good
~Real-Estate sign, or a post and panel. Coroplas, AlumaCorr or Aluminum with Baked Enamel
~This song is dedicated to us sign-makers... Better off doing this than being a bunch of Bakers.
~Now I gotta go, I got a truck to letter.... Maybe if I practice enough I'll be able to sing like Eddie Vetter....
I know, I know, I just couldn't resist. Life is just too short not to.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
LOL John! Now put that to music and I think Dave Draper will have another one to add to SongPainter-2. Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Hmmmmmm....
This week it is Watermark, Rebecca St. James, Susan Ashton, Third Day, Rhonda Gunn, along with a host of others on a CD I made...
On the way to and from Boone's house, it was Tarney/Spencer Band, Peter Gabriel, Bad Co., Rush, The Partland Bros., The Box, and a bunch of mostly 80's and early 90's music.
I like a bunch of music... my collection is very eclectic...
Terry W... you better watch your speed...
Yes, George... "Thunderstruck" may just be the most kick ass song of all time.
Have a great one!
Posted by Mark Matyjakowski (Member # 294) on :
If given 1 ... Black Sabbath (with Ozzy although I liked Dio and Gillian versions)
MIKE I have to take exception to Faith no More's version of War Pigs being better ... I would put the Epic album in my top ten of all time ... but... BIG BUT
Grew up with Rush, Priest, Maiden, Metallica (lost intrest after black album), AC/DC etc. and still enjoy the hell out of them but like alot of the newer stuff too like Static X, Coal Chamber, etc. (they heavy stuff) A drummer with a machine gun kick makes a world of difference to me.
Like to mellow out to Soul Coughing, Moby, Tool and the classics ... SRV, Jimmy (Angel was my wedding song) Blues are cool. Hate the crap my kids torture me with.
Posted by Mike Kelly (Member # 2037) on :
I guess if I had to pick a favorite, it would have to be the Beatles. But, honestly, I listen to everything.......I see and hear it all as just music........from Iggy Pop to Hank Williams....Jimi Hendrix to Bill Monroe. I've seen many types of acts and enjoyed them all.....the Young Rascals...Savoy Brown....10 Years After.....Fleetwood Mac w/Jeremy Spencer and Peter Green........Traffic....Vanilla Fudge...Buddy Rich Big Band.......Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mtn. Boys......Boone Creek w/ Ricky Skaggs.......Weather Report.....Brecker Brothers.........Johnny Winter........Hank Williams Jr........Tom Scott & the LA Express....Dave Van Ronk......Leo Kotke....Poco......the Turtles w/ Flo & Eddie.......Frank Zappa w/ Flo & Eddie......Chick Corea.........John Hammond.......Commander Cody & his Lost Planet Airmen..........the Pogues......Dropkick Murphys........NRBQ......Emilou Harris......Jethro Tull.......Kinks.......George Harrison........I suppose I should stop now. But you get the picture. Oh, I forgot one.......... Joe Rees!
Posted by John Lennig (Member # 2455) on :
Joy of Cooking, Hot Tuna, Jonathan Edwards(Nova Scotia guy),David Wilcox
For Pre Ride ramp up... Hissy Fit and ZEKE,"I Pinstriped the Dutchman's Coffin" LOUD
John /Signrider/Big Top Graphics
Posted by Kathy Joiner (Member # 1814) on :
I'm either fickle or moody, because my favorite artists keep changing. But my favorite group remains the Eagles. Don't tell me it's maw maw stuf because the almost 14 yr. old grand-daughter just got their greatest hits CD this past Saturday and is about to wear it out!
Posted by Rick SIGNS (Member # 378) on :
My favorite all time band would have to Rush and then The Beatles. Then there's dada, Steely Dan, Chick Corea's Elektric Band (with Weckl & Pattitucci), Living Colour. A lot of different bands. I'm pretty open to most stuff except Rap and the crap that's out today. I guess it's a sign of getting old. Posted by Tim Whitcher (Member # 685) on :
Weezer, at the moment. Ask again next week.....
Posted by Del Badry (Member # 114) on :
I like a large variety... no rap, eurodance music, though...
Perkins does have a good taste for music,,,
Tragically Hip are hard to beat for any background work music... plus the new band Puddle of Mudd...
Had to run out and get the cd for O brother, where art though... when i was younger.. was in a small blue grass band called... Teddy Hickey & the boys...
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
Lynyrd Skynyrd...........One More From the Road - -Best guitarist - rock - Ted Nugent - might sound corny - but; best band live - toss up - Blue Oyster Cult or KISS; Rolling Stones are up there - Keith & the boys are still rockin - best chick singer - LeAnn Rimes - she can howl - (one time I held her hand while she sang to me - "Unchained Melody" - ) right before she got real famous - hey Dan A. - RUSH rules also - partied on the bus wid them boys one time - Geddy Lee helped bandage my friends finger after an accident - hence, how we got on the bus - but that's another story......Carl
Posted by Dana Bowers (Member # 780) on :
I was painting the den a couple days ago and this is what I had blaring outta the stereo: Fleetwood Mac - The Dance Tom Petty - Greatest Hits Kenny Wayne Shepherd - Trouble Is The Best of Santana Sting - Brand New Day Steve Winwood - Back in the High Life
I also really like Eric Clapton, Bonnie Raitt, Buddy Guy, Allman Brothers, Phil Keaggy, Robert Palmer, Spiro Gyra, John Anderson, Dixie Chicks, Al Jarreau... a little bit of everything.
After packing up all the cd's we have between the two of us - makes me wonder if there is anything we don't have!
Posted by Alex Burenstine (Member # 2532) on :
Well… Let me stand up and be the first to say that Rap (The correct term is Hip Hop) is one of my favorite categories of music. Artist like - A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, BDP, Gang Star, and many others have made music (Yes music) that has influenced not only American music, but also American culture at large. The constant criticism of this music (Yes Music) I feel is caused by its foreign nature. The music that comes from the inner cities is based on experiences that most people can’t relate to. Therefore it’s sound is as foreign as music from China, or any other foreign country. Remember it was not that long ago that the same type of criticism was leveled against a form of music now wildly accepted…Rock & Roll! I’m sure Little Richard and Chuck Berry were accused of not making “music” but look what happened. Sorry to be so serious.
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
Your right Alex, I can't relate at all to what the rappers "sing" about, rape, hatred, murder, cop killing, total disrespect towards women and on and on. I live in a totally different world. Yes it's definately had an influence on the nation as a whole, just not one to be proud of. I raised my son along with three step children. Luckily or unfortunately only the youngest girl fell victim to this crap and the mind set that goes along with it. She turned into one of the "thugs" that get so glorified in your style of "music" I made more trips to juvenile court than I car to count on, the cops got to know me on a first name basis. Sorry but don't get me going about the influence this CRAP has had on American culture..."peace and love" it ain't
Yes, I'm old enought to remember the reaction to rock and roll as being "evil" and how we all laughed. But I don't remember Little Richard or Chuck Berry killing any of their contemporaries either Posted by Stephen Broughton (Member # 2237) on :
Ah, being a child of the punk era the first record I bought was "white riot" by The Clash it was one of those funny black round things, hmmm what were they called? ah! yes! vinyl! now its, Toploader, Manic Street Preachers, Blur, The Wonder Stuff, David Grey, A, Nickelback, Puddle of Mudd, Pink only because she's fit (english slang for attractive) Green Day, Papa Roach, Gordon Haskell, i don't like british dance music by people like Fat Boy Slim and R&B does nothing for me and like most folks here rap or hip hop leaves me cold, I find it laughable, the baseball cap backwards generation singing about how tough they are. Ha Ha get a life! Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
George,
Rap or Hip Hop music didn't introduce ANY of those themes into modern music, they've ALWAYS been there. Check out some of the Delta Blues artists from the 1920's and 30's, like Robert Johnson (who wrote the song "Crossroads") as well as Leadbelly, Blind Willie and many others.. This music is RAW, they sing and play about anything because like Hip Hop, it's played from the heart and it's all from experience. Today's music is VERY TAME in comparison regarding the subject matter and language.
Besides that, not all Hip-Hop artists sing about that sorta stuff. Just like all the classic rock music and heavy metal that DOES contain that subject matter, but you never hear it on the radio.
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
Nice try Mike, but unfortunately I ain't buying it. I've got a real bad habit when it comes to listening to music, I'm into lyrics, I listen to the words and there is no need to turn me on to Delta Blues either hell, the crossroad on HWY 61 is only about 80 miles from here. I've heard Robert Johnson recordings and heard a lot of his contempraries befoe they passed....I've also heard Triple Six Mafia. ........No comparison, the early blues guys were indeed raw and they sang about life and it's hardships...they didn't however spread hate or disrespect. I NEVER heard any early guys sing disrepectful about women. Tell me you haven't heard rappers do that! I used to listen to my stepdaughter sing ? rap songs that put women down. I'd always aske her if she knew what she was singing?.....brain dead and mindless...I guess. I also know that not all rappers sing about hate and their stuff is just lame and tame but the crap I'm talking about is way past raw....there is abosolutely NO RESPECT for anything ...not even life itself. I listen to a wide variety of music, NOTHING not even all forms of music combined talks about killing with tha callousnous or casualness like rap!!!!!!!!! Maybe that's OK with you, but it sure and hell isn't with me, the lack of respect is unreal, the last damn thing I want to hear at a stop light is some cd blaring from a car next to me screaming about some bitch ho gonna get f****ed up!!!!!!!!
Posted by Richard Doyle (Member # 2919) on :
I saw a couple of you said Steeley Dan I have no problem with the band but the are responsible for one of the dumbest lines in any song
"is there gas in the car? yes there is gas in the car."
where does this line even come from i don't know
anyway my favorites are Skynard, Zeplin, Ozzy, for hevier stuff I like Mushroomhead, Metallica
To many to list Ive also been known to listen to country, and oldies
o and I almost forgot I LOVE RAP!!! (just kidding I hate it just wanted to get everybody all riled up again.)
Posted by Mark Fair Signs (Member # 289) on :
i agree with you bubba perkins, i see no parallel between RAP and the Delta Blues.
add a capital C to rap and what do ya have??
that's right...
CRAP! LOL
yea and also, Metallica blows chunks!
i have seen Led Zepellin 3 times back in the early 70's. i am open to all kinds of music, maybe even Metalica
no crap, er i mean rap on my musical menu.
[ June 06, 2002, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: Mark Fair Signs ]
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
George,
It's only music to her, the lyrics dont have any meaning to her, she's just listening to the beat. It doesnt mean she's stupid or doesnt realize what's being said.. it means she's smart enough to ignore it and listen to the beat. Kinda like you have to do with Eminem.. LISTEN to the lyrics and you will understand he's making fun of Gangster Rappers.. To quote Eminem "It's just words and a mic"
As far as the old blues goes, I'll have to dig into my collection and I'll either post the lyrics or post an audio clip, because I remember some devils raping some women in a couple of those songs... and I remember it happening "Down at the Crossroads"
Posted by John Thompson (Member # 2750) on :
As a non-professional musician (not into it for a year or so, too busy) who knows how much effort it takes to master an instrument, what makes me mad about the modern era of music is that most of the best musicians in the world can walk up the street and not even be recognized and they don't make 1/1000th of the money that the thugs do. Ie: Bela Fleck & The Fleck Tones, Dream Theater, as far as Blues goes, one of the all time greats, he may even be dead now Buddy Guy, one of Eric Claptons heroes. And the list goes on and on and on. I have seen Clapton, Ozzy, Rush and a bunch of good bands and enjoed every minute of it. Never had an inkling to see a Rap concert though, figured I'd get mugged or something. I play guitar, sort of a neo-classical/blues/heavy metal kinda thing and also use a lot of computer generated music from a killer program called ACID similar to what the Chemical Brothers use. My nephew came up to me last year and wanted me to teach him how to play the guitar. I tried to teach him the basic penatatonic minor scale and a couple of chords so he could get started. He didn't want to learn anyhing like that he said, he just wanted to learn how to play like Korn, they don't use scales man so why should he learn any.
Posted by Alex Burenstine (Member # 2532) on :
George, how can you possibly feel that your stepdaughter fell victim to rap music?! You sound like an angry father looking for an excuse for his kid’s bad behavior. You say that raps influence is not one to be proud of. There are many…many…Bad influences on children in music, movies, and television. I think you choose rap as your target because of the frustration you feel towards your stepdaughter. To condemn the whole group reeks of bigotry. As for your memories of the early Rock & Roll era… There’s PLENTY to be ashamed of: Segregation, Exploitation, Exclusion, and artistic theft are just a few… “Peace And Love” It Wasn’t
Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
Richard, Steely Dans nonsense lyrics was one of my points. BUT it does go show that people are listening to the lyrics and not just the beat...and they are unforgetable...which is one reason they embed themselves in our memories and infiltrate out thoughts.
Don't think kids are "listening" to the lyrics? Yeah, right.
And exactly what the heck does this mean?
"No I'm Never gonna do it without the fez on."
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
"Clearance (frogman) Henry" now I know most won't get that one.Ha ha ha ha
Any GOOD Blues(thats my dogs name "blues") And yes STEELY DAN ALLMAN BROS. DOOBIE BROS. and anyone that has the last name KING !! He he he he
Roger Posted by Ben Sherr (Member # 2874) on :
The best I can do is a top ten (or twenty, or thirty......) Here goes, in no particular order; Bob Seager Springsteen (Am I the only person in the world who thinks "Nebraska" was his best album?) Clapton CREEDANCE (Deliberatly in caps!) Waylon Jennings AC/DC Eagles Stones Tom Petty John Mellencamp Jimmy Buffett (Wasted ten years of MY life trying to live up to HIS image! Damn, it was fun!) Buddy Holly Roy Orbison Charlie Daniels Band Garth Brooks George Jones
O.K., this is just impossible!
My two cents worth on rap - not my thing, never was never will be, but the early days of rap had alot going on; humor, street-smart intellect, and insight. Will Smith, Tone Loc, and the Sugar Hill Gang are three that stand out as actually having some lyrics worth hearing. Somewhere along the way, the genre got taken over by idiots, a@#holes, and criminals.
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
Well if I have to be branded a bigot because I can't stand something so full of hate, violence and disrepect for life itself...so be it! I guess I made a poor choice of words when I said my stepdaughter feel victem to this crap...she fell vitem to the lifestlye , the music is just part of it. maybe you guys listen to a differnt type of rap...around here it's some vicious stuff. Alex, you're right I am mad, the reason I single out rap is I have heard so damn much of the sickening ****,maybe there are movies that are in the same theme but I've never seen them. I've listened to a lot of music in my day, NOTHING promotes violence and killing like that stuff NOTHING. She started her decline around the same time she switched from alternative to rap, coincidence? There is definately a connection, I don't think thugs listen to Shania. Mike, you're wrong , she listens to the words and lives by them, she's been locked up, been beaten up by guys, been busted for selling drugs, car theft and assault, three of her friends have been shot and killed, many are in prison. And I don't live in a bad neighborhood either. The inner city way of life came on CD. I've seen the lifestyle up close, it's dispicable, the music glorifies it, that in itself is sick! To be able to ride around with all that talk , oh excuse me, singing about shooting and killing BLARING for all to hear and then turn on the news to hear of yet another eight year old dying from some thug's stray bullet, and this is OK?????????????? What , don't listen to the words????? Please don't try to tell me it's harmless and there is no connection. Am I ****ed? You bet!!!!!!!!
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
Hey Alex - I think you oughta listen to what George is trying to tell ya - I grew up close to where he is now - If you think that stuff don't have a negative influence on society - visit North Memphis - used to be a nice place to live - not anymore. Oh, don't get me started - sounds like you've been brainwashed by the Liberal, Politically correct media to me; but what do I know - you're probably still just a kid..........
Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
Roger, The "Frogman" is a hometown hero of mine, Westbanker too! I cut my teeth on New Orleans R & B. Those who put Rap in the R & B catagory must have been "pulling it" a little too long.
The gangster cRap theme is just the convienient excuse used by some criminals to express their anti-social unacceptable behavior. If you don't think they get caught up in "living it", check their "RAP SHEETS."
Posted by Rich Stebbing (Member # 368) on :
In no particular order......(ladies first)
Lucinda Williams Bonnie Raitt Patti Loveless Joan Jett
Tom Petty ZZ Top Eagles Bob Seger Guns n Roses and anything by Ray charles
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
George, so are you going to blame the music for your stepdaughter's behavior, or are you going to find the real cause?
Music is just a convenient excuse. If music made the man, I'da been locked up in prison a long time ago with the morbid and violent stuff I listen to on a regular basis. The more violent, sick, twisted, morbid and explicit, the better! BUT I have the sense to know what's wrong or right, something my parents (ding ding ding) taught me!
Posted by Alex Burenstine (Member # 2532) on :
George, Let me start of by saying that I in no way meant to accuse you of anything. I, like you have very strong feelings on the subject of rap music. I here what your saying and understand some of your anger. Carl says I’m brainwashed or still just a kid! Well I’m not brainwashed and I’ll be 40 next month. I am a proud voting liberal democrat that feels diversity is this country’s greatest asset. I do not agree with all the messages in rap music. Nor do I agree with the demonic messages in some Rock music, which many say have influenced young people to commit mass murder. For a rap record to be successful it must sell outside of he inner city. In fact, suburban and rural listeners are the largest group of fans rap music has. This has caused much distress among parents and politicians alike. Much like the 1950’s when kids had the Pat Boone record on top, and the Fat’s Domino record underneath. The question that these parents should ask is; what is your fascination with the ugly underside of the inner city? I for one do not feel they are simply victims. They are looking for something… what… and why? Give them some credit, perhaps they see through the “ Leave It To Beaver” false image of America and are drawn to gangster rap as a way of rejecting it. But let’s be clear on one point… It’s these kids that fuel the sales of “gangster rap” and there desire for it, will ultimately determine weather it continues to be made or not. If you tell a rapper that he or she should not make music that could harm kids. You must also take a look at all the elements of popular culture that influence kids NOT JUST RAP MUSIC!
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
OK, my final post on the matter. I know it looks like I'm trying to put the blame somewhere, I'll elaborate a little on my frustrations. I have very strong ideas on child raising, unfortunately my late wife didn't share those feelings. She turned into a full blown alcoholic/pill popper/pot head that drank herself into the grave at age 45. Myself, I was as big a dope head as there was, when I became a single parent I quit all that crap. If my son was going to pick it up, it sure as hell wasn't going to be from me. My wife on the other hand ,was from the do as I say not as I do mentality. If it was up to me there would have been no rap played in the house EVER. Nobody is going to convince me it didn't play some part in this young lady's downfall. I watched it happen!!!!!!!
On a more postive note, I have my life back, what there is of it My son moved back in with me, my eldest stepdaughter has a wonderful life and two great little boys and a good head on her shoulder, my stepson is doing just fine too. The youngest, well I gave it my best, she made her bed and can do whatever she pleases. I warned her not to waste the "one phone call" one me though.
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Hey whats with all these here "no photo residents, visitors and merchants" ?
The rest of us put our mugs up, wheres yours ?
Its great to see a face to respond to ! Roger
Posted by Harris Kohen (Member # 2139) on :
Ok heres my take on the cRAP(call it hiphop if you wish) thing.....
I was subjected to listening to one of the bigger cRAP stations out of NYC from about July thru october of this past year. What did I learn from all of that annoying cRAP?
Well I learned that the specific radio station I was subjected to for 10 hours a day, was perpetuating the terrible race relations of the sixties. Most of the songs I heard had lines referring to "Kill whitie" and "Fu$k the system". I found this stuff VERY offensive. God forbid if a predominately white artist or group were to say anything about the black people it would bring out Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and all their cohorts.
Well what eventually happened was one Sunday while visiting the local art supply store, I went next door to the Best Buys store and bought myself a boom box, broguth it to work the next day and turned it on at my work station at a respectable volume so that I could hear it but nobody else in the shop could hear it unless they were trying to. Well wouldnt you know it, the guy witht he cRAP music felt it was his god given birthright to turn the voume on his radio much higher, Hmmm. then when I walked over to another part of the shop to do some work he turned my radio off (how could he even hear it?) I went back turned it back on and asked him to lower the volume on his. Did he? NO. Instead he tried to give me a cheapa$$ excuse that he was there first and that he had the right to have his radio at any volume he felt acceptable to him and that I shouldnt have my radio. Needless to say I told him that he should lower his radio out of respect to others. His answer was lets go outside and fight over it. Of course I said to him that this argument wasnt going any further and that I would let the powers that be deal with it. Needless to say the guy was fired by the end of the week.
What am I trying to say here?? Im not sure anymore, but one thing that I have noticed about todays youth is this....
"They all want something for nothing, and they all refuse to want to work and blame all their problems on the system." My personal belief is that theyre blaming the wrong people and so are we in most cases.
Look at how your allowed to discipline your children today versus the days before we had a thing called DYFUS. Touch your child today in an attempt to discipline them and you stand a chance of going to jail. What did we create here?
When I was growing up if i did something wrong I had to consider the consequences. My father was 6'4" and 250# built like a linebacker. When that man hit me the first time I got the message loud and clear. I steered myself straight and have tried to stay that way ever since. If I ever said a bad word I knew I was in BIG trouble. I listen to some of the parents of these bad kids and just by the foul language they use I can tell their children are trouble.
So who are we to blame for this? In my opinion SOCIETY. and yes I think that it can be fixed. First we must agree that the music itself isnt the cause of it but that maybe we should spend more time listening to what our kids hear and maybe give them some leeway just like our parents did even if they didnt like the stuff we did.
what really needs to be done is we need to become better parents. Two of societys largest problems are Divorce and Dual Income Families. I know its not easy, but if there ever appeared to be a breakdown in family life it began with divorce, but this can be overcome if both parents agree to be a part of the childs life and participate in their lives. It doesnt mean that both parents have to agree on anything except to be parents of their child. then and only then will a child feel like their significant enough to listen to what the parents have to say. I think the rest of this topic can be figured out on your own.....
BTW for the record I have no children of my own but have dated more than 5 women who have children and have seen that the divorced families where both parents participate in the childs life have great children and have also seen it where only one parent participates in their life its turned into a nightmare, not to say it cant work, but we as parents need to try to make it work FOR the kids. Otherwise maybe as people you should have considered abstinance instead of making babies.
Gawd did I ramble.
I hope at least someone got something out of all this mumble jumble
Posted by Alex Burenstine (Member # 2532) on :
I hope there’re no hard feelings George…. And I don’t want you to think I’m defending any of the despicable stuff that’s out there. Sadly it sells, and for reasons unknown kids like it! Rap started out as a way for street kids to challenge each other through verbal give and take. It lost its way when a few thugs started making records full of shocking lyrics and made a lot of money. No longer did you have to be creative with rhyme and rhythm. Now all you had to do was talk about guns, violence, drugs etc. I blame the record companies for flooding the market with this S#$%T and giving Hip Hop a bad name. Believe me when I say…. There are many rap artists that are “True To The Street” that do not glorify the gangster lifestyle, and even condemn it as a gimmick to make money. Many rappers talk about the pitfalls of violence, drugs and crime in their music. They don’t get the exposure they should. My son tells me gangster rap not as popular with kids in his age group (15). He thinks it’s because there’re too many rappers claiming to be gangsters, and kids are getting sick of it. One can only hope this trend continues.
Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
I think you hit the nail on the head Harris. It's the parent's job to steer their kids in the right direction and then just hope it works. Unfortunately, like George found out the hard way, we have little control over the external influences taking their toll.
My husband and I are the parents of a well-behaved 5 year old girl. She's well-behaved because she has no choice. We don't let her control us or run around like a nut when she's in public. She has gone to fancy restaurants from the time she was 6 weeks old. She knows that you use your "restaurant voice" and are quiet and polite.
Last month, we had some co-workers and their children over for her 5th birthday party. I have never seen such ill-behaved monsters in my life. These are the children of executives. I couldn't believe how they acted. By the time they left, they had written on the walls of her room, ripped the door off of her playhouse, broken many of her toys and terrorized my dog. Would have served them right if she had bitten them. My daughter came to me in tears - she wanted to be sure that I knew that she knew better than to behave like that.
The bottom line is that their parents just sat there, sipping their drinks, not paying the slightest bit of attention. My husband and I were blown away. It's not the kids that are ill-behaved, it's the parents. They didn't care enough to put their foot down and discipline their children.
Guess it was my turn to ramble but you touched on a really sore subject for me. Like I like to say - I was a victim of good upbringing. :-)
Posted by Alex Burenstine (Member # 2532) on :
Harris, You should call that radio station and speak to the program manager and give him a peace of your mind!!! Don’t be surprised if he’s wearing a suit and lives in the suburbs…
The answers are out there… It takes courage to read between the lines…
Posted by Kimberly Zanetti (Member # 2546) on :
Oops...almost forgot the point of the post.. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN. You can take the girl outta Jersey but you can't take the Jersey outta the girl. Posted by Harris Kohen (Member # 2139) on :
Alex stragnely enough that radio station is owned by one of the large media conglomerates like clearchannel communications. When i was listening to that station and the advertisers I noticed and so did some of my coworkers, that most of their advertising was directed towards the intended audience for that station and some of the larger corporate advertisers like coke, pepsi etc. werent advertising on that station however McDonalds was. I dont think there is anything that could be said to them being that radio stations do what they do because of money, not because of the love of music. If you ever checked out the careers of many of the DJ's out there you would find that most of them have worked in a radio station that played music they couldnt stand, why did they do it? "FOR THE MONEY"
Basically that means there is nothing I as one person could do to change it. I also found out that one of the morning show DJ's there was strangely enough a caucasian person, though he seemed to act and sound more ethnic than the other hosts of his show. can we say Whigger?
PS: I hope that with what I have said on this post and my previous ones on this string, that I havent offended ANYONE. I didnt intend to. I know George personally and find him to be a great gentleman. Again in his stepdaughters case I blame SOCIETY more than anything else, as I do in alot of other cases.
Posted by Dana Bowers (Member # 780) on :
Amen George and Harris.
I think the philosophy I have behind my techniques in teaching dog obedience class have alot of similarities to raising kids - no one method will work for every dog and every handler.
Some basics methods will get basic results, but individuals are individuals. Let the punishment fit the crime, and let the individual determine the punishment needed. Goes the same with praise, too.
Kids that are let loose and not disciplined, never say no, always get their way, are usually gonna end up being spoiled brats expecting everything to be handed to them. Occassionally there will be the individuals that work out ok.
Same thing with the music. Some will be ok, but some will be wrapped up in it too much. I personally think there is way too much violence, and you can see the desensitizing of the youth nowadays. Don't agree with me? Then check out some of the animal abuse done at the hands of kids.
I don't even like watching yucky movies.
Oh... and in music... yep... I got the Clarence thing... just like all the handletterers out there... we be STROKIN!!! Posted by Del Badry (Member # 114) on :
if Alicia Keyes is rap/hip hop , how cant ya be in luv!
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Harris,
Never appologize for a good ramble. It was well said.
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