i'm doing a 3' x 60' red banner for my friends at Burning Man. the banner will wrap the front of their 48' shade structure. they want "gold" over red. i've got red enamel receptive banner coming (i ordered three 20' banners, since that's the biggest i can possibly manage).
so, what's the best way to paint gold on red? white undercoat with a gold topcoat, or just two coats of gold? or "imitation gold" with a metallic gold topcoat? i'll probably topcoat the gold with FrogJuice to give it some sparkle.
Anybody have anything good to say about Deka Sign Enamal gold? is there some other brand of gold that i should try?
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Posted by Steve Barba (Member # 431) on :
My suggestion would be to do it in vinyl, But if you have to paint, either white or yellow base coat then the gold.
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Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Me too, what Steve said !!
Roger
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Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
The only good way to paint gold metallic is to spray it. Any metallic paint is going to leave brush marks where the color changes with each pull of the brush. Silver is bad, gold is horrible. I won't use gold metallic paint to letter or stripe with. You can fake them out pretty good when striping by adding a touch of black to imitation gold but when it comes to lettering any metallic color, vinyl is the better method.
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hm... maybe i'll roller it... and toss some gold glitter in the frogjuice before it dries!
(20 yards of 24" gold vinyl will kill their budget -- and i don't have the experience to lay down that much vinyl on a banner)
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Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
Scooter, Letter it white first. Then letter it with the gold metalic. You could leave a thin white outline too. For a banner that size, it is not intended to be viewed from arms length, so the streakiness and imperfections in the gold metalic should not matter. Remember to keep stirring the stuff.
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Posted by Mark Smith (Member # 298) on :
In my experience, Rick is right. The gold enamel won't streak too badly if you stir it regularly, and the viewing distance will hide the brushmarks that remain.
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Posted by ScooterX (Member # 2023) on :
thanks Rick (and all) -- i was beginning to feel bad about the gold paint.
its only a banner Burning Man - its not a "permanent" sign. if they wanted the best they'd have given me the budget for SignGold and it wouldn't be an issue!
what do you think about gold glitter in the frog juice?
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
go to SEARS...paint dept...they have a gold paint that is the best ive ever used...
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Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
Scooter,
When you paint the gold metalic you might want to add a texture to it, like rolling a plastic bag over it, that would look cool and hide any brush strokes. Kinda like rag rolling
ps. sory about the deka I was going to send ya, we got flooded out this spring, the box I had it packed in was under water so I ended up tossing it out when we cleaned. Not to worry, you weren't missing much.
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Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
For a brushing gold metalic, it's hard to beat 1-Shot. Much better than floating bronzing powder in froggie P.
If the letters are big enough, you can use a brush to outline them and then cut down a roller to an inch or so and roll the centers. This would be especially easy if you could lay the banner on a table top after outlining, so the chance of splatters or drips are minimized.
Are you going up to burning man?
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Posted by ScooterX (Member # 2023) on :
i'll check out Sears if i get a chance. otherwise i'll stick to the 1-shot over white. i thought i might try using paint mask vinyl, reverse weed, and roller the letters. if i get ambitious, i might try using the frog juice to create a bevel look (ie, only use the clear on the highlight side of the bevel). i'll have to experiment some with that. i also like the idea of texture-rolling the paint to hide the brush marks (and add some interest). its a really big "canvas" so i want to experiment a bit with different things and make it look as nice as possible, given my (very) limited resources and (even more) limited skills. i fugure the letters are 27" tall... there must be some room for error there. i DO feel skilled enough to outline them by hand with my 3/4" truck liner.
no, i'm not even going to Burning Man. i'm just doing this for the folks helping to put it on. (i like San Francisco where it stays cool all summer... hot 70 mph dust isn't my scene).
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Posted by ScooterX (Member # 2023) on :
oh, here's the "sketch" i did of the banners and the round plywood signs. (sketch done in Illustrator - the client supplied the font and "logo").
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