Just a quick question for ya's: Just finished my first banner job, had a little difficulty, but it looks pretty good to me. I have small (2-4mm) bubbles on most of the vinyl. I went through and popped the bigger ones. I read that small bubbles will generally disappeer within a few days, but just wanted to run this by you all before i gave them to the customer.
So is this anything to worry about? Or standard procedure?
Congratulations on your first banner. You are correct that the small bubbles will usually go away, but you don't want to get too comfortable with bubbles in your vinyl, no matter what the surface is.
I do all my banners with a wet application (Thank you Roger) and after a while you will learn how to squeegee right behind the vinyl as you lay it down, keeping bubbles to a mimimum.
------------------ Jerry Mathel Jerry Mathel Signs Grants Pass, Oregon signs@grantspass.com
Posted by Shane French (Member # 2098) on :
yeah, i should have done this wet, not really sure why i did it dry. Guess i wanted to be "cool"
But the banner looks great (imho) and as long as it doesn't start peelin off in a while, i think everyone concerned will be happy.
Shane, as to longevity, what did you clean the banner with prior to vinyl application ??
Roger
------------------ Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated Waikoloa, Hawaii
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Clean the banner??...............HEY!! I have an iDEA!!
heh
:^)
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
I'm not a "shunnin" kind of guy Shane, just curious. Now we will have you report back on the banner in several months to see how its doin !!
Roger
------------------ Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated Waikoloa, Hawaii
Posted by Aladd (Member # 1996) on :
Shane, I can understand you getting bubbles using the dry method this takes alot of practice.But wet I can't understand any reason you should get any bubbles .When applying Rapid tac use plenty, soak the banner or substrate & soak the adhesive side of the vinyl also squeege the vinyl with a heavy hand use plenty of pressure.Using the wet method there's no excuse for getting bubbles unless your squeege is missing parts of the vinyl you must squeege every inch throughly and with plenty of pressure.Remember if you use enough Rapid tac & squeege every inch you will not get bubbles.
------------------ Alan Ladd Atlanta,Ga
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Couldn't said it better myself !!
Roger
------------------ Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated Waikoloa, Hawaii
Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :
One more thing about "bubbles" How far away is the banner going to be viewed at? How long is it going to be seen? Is the Banner inspector going to be there? One thing you might want to consider here,is Yes use these methods to not get bubbles in the Fisrt place! and Two:Most customers only see the overall big picture of design,color, and readability.That either sells their product or announces an event.They are NOT as critical about the small stuff as much as we "the perfectionist-arist"we are. hope this helps
------------------ PKing is Pat King of King Sign Design in McCalla,Alabama The Professor of SIGNOLOGY
Posted by Aladd (Member # 1996) on :
PKing, Your right most customers are ignorant as what to look for in a quality product. But like you said I would know & if one customer came back & said why were there bubbles, well to say the least I would be very embarrassed & being the perfectionist I am I couldn't live with myself.To me the bottom line is I would know.
------------------ Alan Ladd Atlanta,Ga
Posted by Steve Garver (Member # 2114) on :
I have not done a LOT of banners but.. I always use the dry method and the "Speed Press" and (almost) Never get bubbles and I can put together a banner in about 1/4 the time as without the Press.... I don't know if they are sponsors here! but the tool us GREAT... On banners and flat surfaces...
Steven Garver Iola Computer Products, Inc. Kansas
------------------ Steve Garver Iola Computer Products Iola, Kansas sgarver@kscable.com
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Steve, you aren't saying "how much time" with and without???
Roger
------------------ Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated Waikoloa, Hawaii
Posted by J & N Signs (Member # 901) on :
I use to loose sleep over bubbles.No more! You'll get the odd one that u can bust but forget about the smaller ones. When you work close up all the minor imperfections show up but like it was mentionned in one of the post, back up a few feet and try to see the bubbles. Unless you are doing signs that will be looked up close don't worry about it but try to solve the problem regardless cause it makes one feel better! You have to try to make it as nice as possible for the customer to see close up. On my first jobs I told the customer that there was not extra cost for the bubbles and he laughed it off! So I started charging extra...hehehehe
------------------ Mario G. Lafreniere aka Fergie.
jnsigns@onlink.net Chapleau, Ontario home of "The World's Largest Game Preserve" Spring is upon us,in Shania Twain Country. Farewell snow,here comes the mosquito!
"I cut it twice and it's still too short!"
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Hey Fergie, "no comment"
Roger
------------------ Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated Waikoloa, Hawaii
