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Posted by Graham Hodge (Member # 168) on :
 
We are all interested in anything sign related but when I get unsolicited email from sign companies I still call it spam.
One such company is Friend or Faux Technologies, dealing in large format printers, I wonder where they get my email address from (not here, surely?).

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Gray Hodge camriver@southcom.com.au
Cam River Signs
Somerset, Tasmania,
Down Under


 

Posted by whitey2 (Member # 1265) on :
 
I got an email from them as well, I am not to concerned if it is once only, but if they keep pushing thats when I get a little #*&%@!
off. They emailed me about 2 weeks ago and haven't heard from them since so maybe was a once only thing to make people aware of them.

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Neil White
Sign Magic
Melton, VIC
Australia
whitey@primus.com.au


 

Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
 
Guess they gave up on you Aussies! I got an Email from them today!

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Si Allen #562
La Mirada, CA. USA
(714) 521-4810
ICQ # 330407
"SignPainters do It with Longer Strokes!"

Brushasaurus on Chat

Gladly supporting this BB !


 

Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
 
Got some Spam on the Barbi the other day. FutureCorp. Shaun Morrell neither is listed in the Letterhead Members Database, but the e-mail was titled "Letterhead" and offered a software package.

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Santo Brocato
Promotion Graphics & Letters
Youngsville LA.


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Posted by Bruce Williams (Member # 691) on :
 
Yes, spam is spam. Easiest first step is to bookmark SpamCop, and report every single one. Send a copy to uce@ftc.gov (Federal Trade Commission). Any reputable ISP will nuke the account of a spammer, and the better ones will charge a "cleanup fee" of $200 and up.

While I don't have confirmation yet, there is some evidence that individuals and newsgroups that report spam tend to get less of it.

Spammers are liars, cheats and thieves. They regard you as a target. Shoot back.

Bruce Williams
Lexington KY

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Bruce Williams
 

Posted by Robert Thomas (Member # 1356) on :
 
I recently got a call from Friend or Faux Technologies. Calls are the worst, they take up valuable time, your out in the shop working, run in to catch the phone, and it's a solicitation. Nowadays I don't answer any unknown numbers. At least e-mails can be deleted without much time wasted. The X-rated stuff is the worst! I don't really get that many spam e-mails. If they are sign related, I might be interested, so it doesn't bother me, as much as some of you. By the way, Shaun @ Future, is a visitor to this site, as he answered a post about the software.

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Robert Thomas Creative Signs In Beautiful Naples, Fl.


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Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
 
we got that email from Shawn also. Was afraid to open it for a while, not recognizing the name. Since it seemed it had to do with Letterheads, I opened it eventually. Just made me feel uncomfortable.

thanks for filling me in.

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Deborah Fowler
Creative Signs, Ohio
"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day: Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime."

 

Posted by Shaun Morrell (Member # 1555) on :
 
Bruce,

I am neither a liar, a cheat or a thief and find your comments highly offensive and well out of order, especially if they refer to me in the previous post made by Santo.

I have spent years and practically everything I own, along with several others trying to produce a high class sign software product to the sign industry for signwriters that has been developed by us, signwriters.

At a price that everyone can afford, not at what some people can afford to bear.

My “ONE OFF” letter, NOT Spam was sent to what I believe are to be my colleagues in the sign industry whom take time out to be involved in the very industry they work in, hence their comments and published e mail address in Letterheads. Those who have taken offense to this, I have sincerely apologized to, and once again I am sorry to make any of you feel uneasy or annoyed, please accept my apologies. However many have requested more information, because they’re fed up with what is currently available, and do want to know what’s going on and is new in the industry.

NO ONE will receive another e mail from me, unless they are expecting one.

I believe there is a very big difference between CONTINUED blanket mass marketing of any product to millions of completely unrelated businesses - than ONE letter sent to those who make a point of being active and participating in their industry, especially when it comes from someone who is trying to support their industry, not blindly RIP IT OFF.

Shaun Morrell

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Shaun
 

Posted by Nomon (Member # 334) on :
 
While I too hate "spamm", I kinda like "spam". If I were to email you a service my shop has, would you consider me a spammer?

ie. If you spent $500 of your money to make $1000, Would you? The sign will be shipped in two weeks, you say!

Most Companies the email me one time with a real product or service are not the liar, cheat or whatever as mentioned. I feel they honestly beleave the $500 cost will make you the $1000 or whatever.

I see the email as a 1) savior of trees, my mail box is daily, stuffed with unsolisited junk mail, 2) is easier to filter, some products I may have an interest, some I would never use, 3) saves my postmans back.

Really, don't be so quick to jump, the way down is always harder in the end. I hardly call someone emailing me one time spamm.

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Nomon Kennedy

K & S SIGNS
Sweetwater, Tennessee, USA

EMAIL ksigns@usa.net

Tennessee a State of Mind
Tennessee a State of Champs
GO VOLS!!!


 

Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
 
Shaun.... as one who has recently had his hard drive wiped out by a virus... I consider all unsolicited Email, from a stranger, as to be spam!!!
Let's face it... you goofed, but then apologized,,, so let's let it die, and quit bitching about it!
Hopefully, next time that someone wants to advertize a new product... they will use this BB as an advertizer, and not pi** off a bunch of people!

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Si Allen #562
La Mirada, CA. USA
(714) 521-4810
ICQ # 330407
"SignPainters do It with Longer Strokes!"

Brushasaurus on Chat

Gladly supporting this BB !

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Posted by Henry Barker (Member # 174) on :
 
Not writing to be controversial or whatever

I tend to agree with Nomon, I get tons of e-mail that comes from all over...if its nothing to do with things I hold dear to me I just delete it....same as all the crap that comes in the postbox each day....This is life today....this is how people make a living, and most are no more liars cheats and thieves than any of you....you don't tar everybody with the same brush.

I believe Shaun is a genuine character with something of interest for all of us, who is learning about marketing his product, I am sure in time and with support will become a merchant here. I posted on another post that I had recieved mail in common with others on this product, and was curious, I have requested a demo...nothing ventured nothing gained...if its good then its a benefit and all will sing his praises if not Shaun will be long forgotten, we´re all looking for new angles to sell our products, in an ever competitive world.

Sometimes this place is reminiscent of the Jerry Springer Show.

I got this other mail that Gray was talking about, about inkjet, I opened the first and now just delete them. Incidentally it did come from here because this is the only place I use one of several e-mail addresses that come to my company.....easy way to check sources of mail?

Si...Viruses tend to come with attachments, I believe you can open most mail providing you don't open the attachment...especially if its an .exe extension for example....sorry that you lost your hard disk..easy to say after the fact...but an anti virus program, I would have thought was a must....if you are on the net...and regular updates on a quarterley basis, or via thier respective sites....its chaep insurance....then again don't ever open attachments if you are unsure of thier source however inquisitive you might be!

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Henry Barker #1924
akaKaftan
SignCraft AB
Stockholm, Sweden.
A little bit of England in a corner of Stockholm
www.signcraft.se
info@signcraft.se


 

Posted by Graham Hodge (Member # 168) on :
 
Interesting points of view, as always. Did anyone consider how the company got the email addresses in the first place? Was it from here? I subscribe to a couple of BB's like this and we like to hope we are safe from having our email addresses ripped off.
Shaun said it was a one off - fine - but I don't think the email stated that, so how are we to know?
Anyway, some like it, many don't. I'm told "stay cool, just delete it", recently I got a spam that I couldn't delete, not a virus, just a very clever and persistent message that forced you to look at it.
I will not accept spam, ISP's don't like it either, I will campaign against it every time.

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Gray Hodge camriver@southcom.com.au
Cam River Signs
Somerset, Tasmania,
Down Under


 

Posted by Nomon (Member # 334) on :
 
I don't feel a one time emailed solicitation can be called 'spam', unsolicited email yes but not spam. I would consider spam as being "repeatedly sent", "subject's not related to me or my business" and yes "unsolicited".

As to where do get email addresses. A slow process would be at the bottom of our post. A faster but more expensive way is to buy them from mass order houses. I get solicitations form order houses via email & snail mail. There are web sites to get them from. Our email addresses are not confidentual.

I did a mass mailing not to long ago. I got printrd labels from the Chamber of Commerce and a list of business from the county court house. I targeted a spicific group with my mailing. Do I consider myself a "junk" mailer. Of course not!

Honest people trying to market an honest product that "may" benifit the buyer should not be classified as as "spammer or junk mailer"

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Nomon Kennedy

K & S SIGNS
Sweetwater, Tennessee, USA

EMAIL ksigns@usa.net

Tennessee a State of Mind
Tennessee a State of Champs
GO VOLS!!!


 

Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
 
I can toss an e mail faster than I can toss junk mail. What is the big deal?

I consider spammers the ones that repeat mailings AFTER you have requested to be removed from their list. Do you people get this upset with junk mail? Mail is mail whether it is electronic or physical. Our addresses are not confidential. I have discovered some good products and sources of products from flyers that have been mailed or e mailed to me.

Repeated spamers should have their ISP's yanked but a one time add can hardly be considered spam or even more than a minor nuisence. Just my opinion.

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Dave Sherby
"Sandman"
SherWood Sign & Graphic Design
Crystal Falls, MI 49920
906-875-6201
ICQ: 21604027
sherwood@up.net


 

Posted by Bruce Williams (Member # 691) on :
 
Spam, by definition, is unsolicited commercial e-mai. The acronym is UCE.

Number has nothing to do with it. Content has nothing to do with it. Law has nothing to do with it, at least for those who disregard contract with an ISP as law. Violators will be reminded.

However, Si said, above, all that needs to be said in this instance.

Bruce Williams
Lexington KY

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Bruce Williams
 

Posted by Sarah Clark (Member # 413) on :
 
If you report a person who sends you one email to spamcop or their or your ISP you would get laughed out the door. One mail is not considered spam. Spam is multiple mail from the same party and they almost always do not use their real return email so that you can reply to them. I dont see the uproar over one little mail that is related to your business. I would rather have that than the dozens of "visit teenage sluts", "make quick money", etc emails that I get. Altho I suppose many of you wouldnt complain about the porno spamming.

And its best to become literate about virus, keep up with your virus protection updates, subscribe to latest letters from virus companies and just use common sense in not opening exe or doc files from people who have sent them unrequested and attachments from people you know that sound very generic and impersonal as they can be the virus that automatically forwards mails on to others. So far in many years of mail and downloading I havent got any virus's including the ones that Si sent on. Luckily I always deleted his unsolicited exe attachments.

I also use Netscape mail rather than IE as it has less vulnerabilities and many virus are made for using on IE

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S. Clark
Clark Signs (retired)
Compton, Arkansas
sasc@alltel.net
http://www.fortunecity.com/business/notebook/1172/
http://members.xoom.com/sclark/
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/


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Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
 
Well said Sarah....

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Dave Sherby
"Sandman"
SherWood Sign & Graphic Design
Crystal Falls, MI 49920
906-875-6201
ICQ: 21604027
sherwood@up.net


 



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