for the past month I have noticed my silicone is not drying. I could stick lettering up on day and come back the next and peel of tape. but lately 2 days later the damn silicone is still tacky and nasty
I ever checked to make sure I didnt buy a new brand or if the company has "changed their formula". I use and always have used GE silicone from lowes or home depot. i hope to god silicone is not about to go thru the change one shot did and turn out to be crap.
am i the only one thats noticed this?
Posted by Eric Humphreville (Member # 4762) on :
Check the date on the tube. It should be used before that date. I had some problems before and did some research, silicone has a shelf life.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Yep, I had a similar problem earlier this year. The letters I installed did fine as I used the first half of the tube. But, the stuff in the second half would never dry.
I had to go back and buy another tube to finish the project.
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Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
yep same with me. i had used the ge 100% silicone new tube and was horrified when one of my dibond sign panels slide down when i stood it up. faaakin products in our biz eh!
Posted by Jake Lyman (Member # 3280) on :
I have the same problem with the GE type 2 lately tried DAP with all the same specs and I stuck some small plastic trim on some posts with no tape its been 2 weeks and i was there yesterday and pulled on them and the are stuck like crazy.
Posted by bruce ward (Member # 1289) on :
thanks for the date info I had no idea. i did check them and it said 06/09. so that wasnt it. and since others have experienced the same Im beginning to wonder. I hate it also because I have about 12 tubes of this stuff.
thanks for the info, interesting. always makes oyu feel better when your not the only one
Posted by Tim Whitcher (Member # 685) on :
Never cared for GE brand. Tubes full of air gaps. Always good luck with DAP.
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
Have you considered using double sided VHB tape in conjunction with the silicone? The VHB can completely replace silicone and it has a long outdoor life too, but silicone can be added assurance for bonding to rough surfaces like plaster or stucco.
Posted by Donald Miner (Member # 6472) on :
I use DAP 50 year clear silicone, ASTMC-920, class 25 type S grade NS. Tought Stuff! Been using it for years with great results. Hope this helps! Good Luck! Don
Posted by Frank Smith (Member # 146) on :
Ownership change might be a factor.
Sometimes I drive past the giant GE Silicones plant a few miles north of Albany. They sold it a coupla years ago and the new name on the plant is "Momentive." I just checked out gesilicone.com and the site says Momentive all over it.
The local business review says "The silicone products plant in Waterford, N.Y., is now officially part of Momentive Performance Materials Inc., a new company formalized on Dec. 3 with the sale of GE Advanced Materials, GE Bayer Silicones, and GE Toshiba Silicones. The acquisition by Apollo Management LP was completed for $3.8 billion."
There are 3 other GE silicone plants (W. Virginia, Ontario and Texas) so is the defective stuff coming from one, some or all of 'em?
I thought the ownership change might be a good thing because the plant hasn't had any newsworthy chemical spills lately. On the other hand Momentive's logo really sucks.
Posted by John Arnott (Member # 215) on :
I've had the same problem!
Posted by bruce ward (Member # 1289) on :
ITS OFFICIAL, GE SILICONE SUCKS!!!
I will try DAP as soon as I figure out what the hell to do with these tubes I have.
I really do hate that. I have been using that stuff forever and its NEVER failed or let me down
Posted by Chuck Sartoris (Member # 3466) on :
Take the unused stuff back to Lowes or where it came from. A credit is better than pitching in the can.
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
I think Momentive's logo is a graphic of the "M" sliding off the panel. They should have stuck it on there with DAP and VHB.
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
I'm thinking the changes we see in many of our products are the result of new Government environmental standards. It's gotta be tough to maintain the same quality when the essential components are banned. It's gotta be tough to be in the paint business these days. Posted by Joe Crumley (Member # 2307) on :
Thanks everyone for the heads up on the GE product.
Here's my thoughts. Silicone 1 & 2 are side by side and completely different. #2 never gets hard and easily peals off of everyting. Is this the product everyone is having trouble with?
So far I've found #1 to work well. Gosh, I hope I'm correct on this. I can't imagine not having this fine quality products on my shelf.
Why in the hell does everyting have to keep changing? Dang it, next they'll tell us were out of gas, milk or something like that.
Joe
Posted by Gary Anderson (Member # 2085) on :
I have used GE silicone 1 for many years with good results, but beware of 2 because it is one weird varmint, have no idea what it is for because it does not cure right or have any adhesive power. I am not aware of any formula changes to 1 at this point, but I would not be surprised. If indeed it has been sold it never ceases to amaze me that companys change a successful product into something disfunctional. And on another subject-what has happened to Jeff Lang and to Letterhead Magazine? Peace, Gary
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
quote:Originally posted by Gary Anderson: it never ceases to amaze me that companys change a successful product into something disfunctional.
I have noticed this with a lot of things. I wanted to get rid of some rust, so I bought some "rust remover". I can't remember the brand - could be CLR. The instructions led me to believe this stuff was really potent, so I treated it like weapons-grade plutonium. With thickly-gloved hands I applied the mystery compound to the metal. I left it on for the time specified in the instructions. The rust was barely touched. I put more on and waited longer. Still nothing much happened. Put more on and waited even longer. By the time I was done, I was handling the goop-coated piece of metal with my bare hands and scrubbing it with a scotchbrite. I'm not sure what they put in that stuff, but the rust had nothing to worry about. I decided to get serious and found some muriatic acid. The rust was gone in a jiffy.
Posted by bruce ward (Member # 1289) on :
well i found the latest receipt and was able to return 8 tubes (which were doubled up in packaging) back to home home depot. the little girl did not mark return on my receipt so I will dump the other 4 on them today and get rid of all them bad tubes. I will call GE and ask them whats up.
Im sure we will go thru the typical:
nothing has changed
do you know how to use our product
we dont what your talking about
we have not been bought out
and the most infamous "YOUR THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS REPORTED ANY PROBLEMS ACROSS THE WHOLE WORLD!
heard all that crap before. just like one shot. just like the milwaukee 18 volt batteries. yep been there and heard that.
Posted by Tony Vickio (Member # 2265) on :
Haven't used silicone in two years! I stay away from the stuff like it is Avery!
Tape or a real adhesive is my choice.
Posted by Nevman (Member # 332) on :
Say Bruce...ever call GE? Whad they say?
I've got a wall job coming up - flat acrylic on tile wall. I've had the same probs with GE I.
I'll probably go with VHB & DAP.
Posted by bruce ward (Member # 1289) on :
I called and person answering phones didnt understand who I needed to talk to. Her response was "where did you buy the product?" I responded, "what did it matter put sales on the phone"
Im not about to go round and round with minumum wage phone girl. I left message for sales guy and no reply so far i will call back today. I did receive an email from a letterhead member that said he got $150 back from GE over this problem, which I have my doubts about getting any moneys from them
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