since the bad rap on pot....how many here do one of the following... A. SMOKE POT B. SMOKE TOBACCO C. DRINK ALCOHOL D. ALL OF THE ABONE E. NONE OF THE ABOVE THESE ARE FOR THE PRESENT, if you did in the past add a P to the letter of you choice. now i aint got a connection with the DEA....and i can understand if you dont cop to A me DP now E.
Posted by Bruce Williams (Member # 691) on :
But it's all been settled. The Gov't has been winning the War on Drugs for almost 40 years.
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
And as long as it's profitable to do so, it will continue, like cancer research... Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
oh don't even get me started. i think alcohol is waaaay worse to society than marijuana! i think its faaaken ignorant you can't grow something that was gods gift to the universe. and i think its even more ignorant for people to say its a stepping stone to harder drugs. lets see....booze: drink too much and you'll get stupid, perhaps get in fights, drive too fast, make a real poor sex decision, not to mention hangover, ya can even die!...instant asss...add alcohol.
pot: get high, smile, laugh, have a spiritual revelation... get too high?....eat everything in your house and fall asleep on the couch. no one has ever overdosed on marijuana.
as with any drug or alcohol....don't indulge and drive.....but lets just say you do...drunk person will drive 70 mph...high person will drive 7 mph.
yeah lets just say i am a supporter of NORML!
[ October 12, 2006, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: KARYN BUSH ]
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
How are they ever going to cure cancer when they can't even cure this microscopic damadafite that's been eating away at my toenails?
Hey, this is a great time to show the logo I did for my buddies at the Michigan State Police:
They're very friendly folks...every doper they meet gets a shiney silver pair of cufflinks.... Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
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Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
I assume that is supposed to be a marijuana plant/leaf, IT'S NOT!!!! Pot plants only have three or five leaf leafs.........AND, if your buddies ever loose forfeiture rights, that war for them is over now, no one is willing to fund policing of pot, it's that simple, that and more(cops) than you would imagine, smoke pot.....mute subject, well debated and the statistics back up claims of the smoker crowd, no one on pot wants to do anything but be calm and layed back, preferably at home, so drivers on the road impaired by pot are nile to nothing, wish we could say the same about drunk drivers, that crime(yes, I consider it a major crime) costs over 58,000 lives a year in this country, that's almost as many that lost their lifes in the ten years we were engaged in Vietnam......doesn't take a math whiz to crunch those numbers and see a noticeable difference....
And to me it's not fair to chastise those whose life path took them by it, or to it, that's the way it is, I stripe for plenty of potheads, doesn't mean I'm one, just paying my way w/their, er, my money, I earned it........
As to what I did in my life, it's private and will remain that way, I have nothing to be ashamed of in my life path, but it is personal and I intend to keep it that way, it falls directly into the NUNYA category...or until your need to know is greater than my need for privacy, so think what you will, most will be way off base, heheheh, I also can live w/that......so my number must be, never mind, don't buy into numbers either...... Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
toddd PLEEEEASE....STOP THE COP CRAP... cop need to do real work....like stopin all the damn drunks on the road, catchin the pervs(like foley), keepnin the crack house outa business, bustin some dummy with a joint of some seeds in his car....should be nothing more the a speeding ticket. i remeber when cops had no idea what a joint was i myself have smoked some 20 ft from cops....at conserts. ive been stopped by cops when we outnumbered the cops(biker days)and most was carrin more fire power then the cops. and had more pot then they had any idea of. todd how many drinks you have before you posted that? hehehehehehehe
Posted by Judy Pate (Member # 237) on :
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Posted by Cis Pack (Member # 2011) on :
I have to say E. I do think that some drugs should to available to cancer patients to control their pain.
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
also a supporter of NORML, the overcrowding of the nations jails would be greatly reduced if we reform the marijuana laws. The statisitcs are incredible if you do the research, the money it costs to enforce the prohibition of marijuana is rediculous. here's an idea, make it legal to buy and posess marijuana for anyone over 21, sell it in package stores right next to tobacco and alcohol, release the "criminals" in jail for pocession. let farmers grow it, regulate it, and tax it. Take the money away from the drug pushers and give it to the nations starving farm industry. Everyone is giving up tobbaco because its bad for you, so now the tobbaco farmers could switch their crop to marijuana, and the same crop the would cultivate in tobacco would be worth 200% more. Lets make it clear, we are not looking to "leagalize" marijuana, just to decriminalize it. Ending the prohibition on marijuana would benefit everyone except the drug pushers on the street and the border cops and feds that are taking payoffs to look the other way. As for it leading to other drugs, that would only happen if your buying it from a drug pusher on the street, if it was legal and controlled by the government, people using marijuana, would not be exposed to other 'hard' drugs.
Posted by Ricky Jackson (Member # 5082) on :
Actually Cis, pot is given to cancer patients mostly to stop their puking. Chemotherapy makes people almost puke their toenails up; marijuana is an antiemitic and stops them from throwing up. It's hard enough for them to get any nourishment anyway because they don't have an appetite and if they can't keep anything down it makes it life-threatening. Marijuana is THE MOST effective drug for treating that problem.
Frank is spot on Todd; WAY too many leaves. I've seen 7 on some.
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
I'm no expert, but a search on google images for "marijuana plant" shows many examples of plants with 9 leaves.
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
I've seen a lot of marijuana plants in my day. Most had seven leaves, a lot had five leaves. I have seen a few with nine leaves like Todd has pictured, just not too many.
Oh, the poll. I quit tobacco in '69, have an occasional drink every couple of months and the pot usage is down to a few times a year.
[ October 12, 2006, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: George Perkins ]
Posted by Elaine Beauchemin (Member # 136) on :
That would create the mutant pot!
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
E - food is my drug... well, it used to be. It's been replaced by exercise now.
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
here are the stats i was talking about:
Who smokes marijuana? According to recent statistics provided by the federal government, nearly 80 million Americans admit having smoked marijuana. Of these, twenty million Americans smoked marijuana during the past year. The vast majority of marijuana smokers, like most other Americans, are good citizens who work hard, raise families, pay taxes and contribute in a positive way to their communities. They are certainly not part of the crime problem in this country, and it is terribly unfair to continue to treat them as criminals.
Many successful business and professional leaders, including many state and elected federal officials, admit they have smoked marijuana. We must reflect this reality in our state and federal laws, and put to rest the myth that marijuana smoking is a fringe or deviant activity engaged in only by those on the margins of American society. Marijuana smokers are no different from their non-smoking peers, except for their marijuana use.
Why should we decriminalize or legalize marijuana? As President Jimmy Carter acknowledged: "Penalties against drug use should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against the possession of marijuana in private for personal use."
Marijuana prohibition needlessly destroys the lives and careers of literally hundreds of thousands of good, hard-working, productive citizens each year in this country. More than 700,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges last year, and more than 5 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana offenses in the past decade. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for simple possession, not trafficking or sale. This is a misapplication of the criminal sanction that invites government into areas of our private lives that are inappropriate and wastes valuable law enforcement resources that should be focused on serious and violent crime.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
quote:Marijuana prohibition needlessly destroys the lives and careers of literally hundreds of thousands of good, hard-working, productive citizens each year in this country.
And whose fault is that? Whether you agree with it or not, it's illegal. Is it really that difficult to avoid something that's been legislated as illegal?
It's like any other law....if you're going 70 mph in a 35 mph zone...and a cop catches you...you've got to expect to get a ticket.
It all comes down to choices and personal responsibility....
Just because I don't agree with a 35 mph speed limit doesn't mean 70 should become the legal speed, and it certainly doesn't mean that I should be exempt from the consequences of my actions.
I something is illegal, and you cannot seem to avoid the illegal behavior (whatever that might be) then you might consider you have a problem.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
I think I should be allowed to grow poppy so I can make my own heroin. Its my body after all. Right?
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Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
Todd, I know its illegal, the question is, if you were to say decide to do 70 mph in a 35 zone and a cop pulls you over for it, should you spend 3-5 years in jail sharing a cell with rapists, murderers and bank robbers. Decriminalizing marijuana would make the offense a misterminor offense and you would get a fine for posession istead of ruining your life, losing your job, your home and being incarcerated for something that has be proven to be less harmful than cigarettes, and has never been linked any fatalities or car accidents. nevermind the money the federal and state govenments coul save from the decriminalization, with court costs, enforcment and even paying you to design a logo that, aside the fact it has too many leaves, looks more like advertising FOR rahter than AGAINST, to put on their special drug enforcment vehicle that cost the tax payers money, tax payers that more than likely 7 out of 10 smoke marijuana. Along with saving all that money decriminalizing it, leagalizing would make the government even more money, by taxing and controling it. Glen I hope your joking about the herion, I thnk most people would agree that herion is bad for you and will kill you, So if your statement is a comparison to growing your own weed, its a bit off. While there are indeed health and societal problems due to the use of alcohol and nicotine, these negative consequences would be amplified if consumption of either substance were prohibited.
Marijuana is already the third most popular recreational drug in America, despite harsh laws against its use. Millions of Americans smoke it responsibly. Our public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it.
In addition, marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. It fails to inflict the types of serious health consequences these two legal drugs cause. Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose. According to the prestigious European medical journal, The Lancet, "The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health. It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat than alcohol or tobacco."
No one is suggesting we encourage more drug use; simply that we stop arresting responsible marijuana smokers. In recent years, we have significantly reduced the prevalence of drunk driving and tobacco smoking. We have not achieved this by prohibiting the use of alcohol and tobacco or by targeting and arresting adults who use alcohol and tobacco responsibly, but through honest educational campaigns. We should apply these same principles to the responsible consumption of marijuana. The negative consequences primarily associated with marijuana -- such as an arrest or jail time -- are the result of the criminal prohibition of cannabis, not the use of marijuana itself.
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison,.....ummm and,......oh man I knew I had that figure, what is it now.........oh ****........I can't remember what it was now.....Oh well pass the Dorito's Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
quote:By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose. According to the prestigious European medical journal, The Lancet, "The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health.
Well, I'm sure Lee Maisley would be relieved. The coroner must not have read the Lancet report.
You know, millions of people speed well past 70mph down I-95 every year without getting hurt. I think posted speed limits should be done away with. Now, I'm not suggesting that we encourage more speeders; simply that we stop arresting responsible speeders. The negative consequesnces primarily associated with driving 100mph -- such as an arrest or jail time -- are the result of the criminal prohibition of speeding, not speeding itself.
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[ October 13, 2006, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
Glen, I hate to burst your bubble but "The Sun" is a tabliod and does NOT report actual news... also speeding HAS been linked directly to many deaths and injuries, so has herion. Your comparisons, like I said before, are a bit off the mark.
Posted by William DeBekker (Member # 3848) on :
Hmmm.. Ounce of Panama Red......... $150
One Pakistani Bingo Bong.... $75
Spending the rest of your life on the couch watching Telletubbies with your Friends... Priceless
Been There Done that plus many Harder Drugs in my Life. You Can keep them all.. I do still Smoke Cigarettes and Occasionally Drink but been clean from all the hard drugs(Meth,Coke,Heroine,LSD,Shrooms...Speedball anyone) for 15 years.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
quote:Originally posted by captain ken: Glen, I hate to burst your bubble but "The Sun" is a tabliod and does NOT report actual news
quote:... also speeding HAS been linked directly to many deaths and injuries,...
No one has ever died from speeding. Its the sudden stop that kills you. More accurately, its the poor decision making that gets you killed. Are you aware that of all the drunk driving accidents in the US, 17% of the drivers had pot in their system. Its bad enough to have alcohol to impair one's reasoning. Why do we insist on giving it a hand?
quote:... so has herion.
And according to Lancet, how many hard-core drug users didn't start off with the harmless fun of a little Purple Haze?
quote:Your comparisons, like I said before, are a bit off the mark.
That is a matter of perspective.
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[ October 13, 2006, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
Ok Glen, your right 80 million people have smoked it and 1 idiot died....
do you know the 100% of drunk drivers in accidents had alchol in their system, and because of shear coincedence, because after all 80 million smoke it, 17% of the drunk drivers also have pot in their system... here are a few more stats for ya
did you know that of the drivers in drunk driving accidents last year:
23% had eaten red meat in the last 12 hours
33% had fights with their girlfriends in the past 24 hours
12% were college educated
38% went to church regularly
74% chewed sugarless gum
90% were speeding
so I don't think it was the weed that impared their driving ability, maybe it was the alcohol???
Reefer Madness was a movie mad in the 1930's as propoganda against marijuana, over 75 years, you would think even shut outs would stop believing pot leads to herion. maybe you should lay off the tabliods.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Ken,
The last time I checked, chewing sugarless gum and going to church didn't impair their cognative abilities. Apples and oranges.
Tell me something. If smoking pot is such harmless non-toxic fun that doesn't hurt anyone, would you celebrate your child's 16th birthday by handing him/her a joint?
How about their 21st?
Suppose your neighbor's did it with their their kid. Would you view them as being responsible parents?
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Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
you win Glen, your right I am wrong. put all the pot smokers in prison, let them rot in there with the rapist and the murderers. I am gonna go make a PB&J
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
I take it then the answer is "no".
Ken, I'm not trying to pick a fight. I respect you too much for that. I just think that to say that to intentionally do something that impairs one's cognative abilities is harmless is flat-out wrong. Responsible people by its very definition don't get drunk and they don't get high.
You've seen the beer ads on TV...."Drink responsibly". Well, that means "drink but don't get drunk". How do you do that with Pot when the very purpose of smoking it is to get inebriated?
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[ October 13, 2006, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
quote:Todd, I know its illegal, the question is, if you were to say decide to do 70 mph in a 35 zone and a cop pulls you over for it, should you spend 3-5 years in jail sharing a cell with rapists, murderers and bank robbers. Decriminalizing marijuana would make the offense a misterminor offense and you would get a fine for posession istead of ruining your life, losing your job, your home and being incarcerated for something that has be proven to be less harmful than cigarettes,
No you shouldn't because the speeder is breaking the law in and of himself. Now if he killed or maimed someone as a result of his speeding, he would certainly do time.
Conversely, the illicit drug user of dope is doing many things:
First, he's supporting the drug trade in general in that the dealer is likely selling more than just dope....he's probably selling harder addictive drugs such as Meth which is killing our children and ruining society. He is supporting this moral decay in that the dealer he is purchasing his drugs from could care less whether a kid becomes infatuated with the dope enough to sidetrack him from his family, school, goals, etc. Legalizing it won't keep kids out of it...doesn't work with alcohol and cigs and it won't work with dope. In the end, the problems will compound in my estimation.
Again...you're side-stepping responsibility and compliance with the laws of society as determined by the voice of the people - our legislators. You are the minority - and probably are skewed because you yourself must convince yourself that your bad habits are justifiable. You know the law, you may not agree with it...but the consequences have been determined, well publicized and if you break it - you should accept the consequences of your conscious decision to disregard the law. There should be no complaint.
By buying dope, you're contributing to the terrorist movement. This is a fact.
Someone caught with a joint is not going to spend 3-5 years in jail with rapists. That is blatantly false and to me seems an exaggerated ridiculous statement.
I'm guessing you're getting your "pro-dope" stats from "High Times" or some other drug promoting rag.
quote:Tell me something. If smoking pot is such harmless non-toxic fun that doesn't hurt anyone, would you celebrate your child's 16th birthday by handing him/her a joint?
How about their 21st?
Suppose your neighbor's did it with their their kid. Would you view them as being responsible parents?
Instead of dodging Glenn's questions, how about answering them? Would you seriously give a young person dope to smoke?
[ October 13, 2006, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
I quit.... you both are right, pot is bad and leads to harder drugs, excuse me while i go shoot up.
no i wouldnt give a child drugs, if you read my post instead of picking it apart, you would see I am for regulating it, so that we dont have to support terriorism, drug dealers etc. for weed, we could buy it at a package store if we were of leagal age. Find me a stat that says its worse than alcohol in any aspect. Why should 5 time drunk drivers be able to walk into a package store and buy alcohol buy an upstanding member of the community has to buy weed form a black market drug pusher.
[ October 13, 2006, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: captain ken ]
Posted by Mark Matyjakowski (Member # 294) on :
quote: Tell me something. If smoking pot is such harmless non-toxic fun that doesn't hurt anyone, would you celebrate your child's 16th birthday by handing him/her a joint?
How about their 21st?
Suppose your neighbor's did it with their their kid. Would you view them as being responsible parents?
No, at 16 I wouldn't give them shots of Jack Daniels or a beer either, what's your point? At 21, why not?
I think the point of the post was that the law is what does society harm ... not the drug.
Do your kids drink the wine at church ... that's illegal. Church not mind altering ... right, for some it's fine and some turn to complete wackos, so shut them all down?
North Korea should have nukes because you believe in gun rights?
What the hell does this post have to do with signs?
Posted by Mark Perkins (Member # 296) on :
"No you shouldn't because the speeder is breaking the law in and of himself. Now if he killed or maimed someone as a result of his speeding, he would certainly do time"
So who decides which laws it's ok to break? If speeding is ok as long as you don't kill or maim is it ok to smoke pot if you don't kill or maim?
"Again...you're side-stepping responsibility and compliance with the laws of society as determined by the voice of the people - our legislators"
since when do our legistlators listen to us? They are controlled by one thing MONEY
"By buying dope, you're contributing to the terrorist movement. This is a fact."
Our govenment isn't doing what it could to stop the most dangerous drug there is HERION we have forces in Afganistan, why aren't they burning the poppy fields that make billions for the terrorists?
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Mark,
Your church serves wine?! Man, I gotta go to that church....ours only serves grape juice. Where do you go?
I don't know what this post has to do with signs...ask OP....it's his post....I found it interesting nontheless as you must have.
The law doesn't do society harm....the people that cannot control their actions do themselves harm by not conforming what the majority of society feel is a moral standard.
It's never, "I screwed myself." Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
quote:no i wouldnt give a child drugs,..
quote:No...
Why not at 16? If smoking pot is harmless, non-toxic fun, why not give them a joint? I've seen quite a few parents give their kids a car on their 16th birthday and its far more dangerous than a joint. So why not give a kid a joint at 16?
The point. You love your kid and you want the best for him/her. And, you and I both know that smoking pot really isn't as harmless as you want to make it out to be.
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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Glenn....you wanna go into business together? Posted by Mark Matyjakowski (Member # 294) on :
No it isn't harmless ... but not as harmful as made out to be. There's a big jump between throwing a seed in a bucket of dirt and sponsoring terrorists. The law created the black market not the plant. but good spin
quote: The law doesn't do society harm....the people that cannot control their actions do themselves harm by not conforming what the majority of society feel is a moral standard.
The Taliban's motto? Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
C'mon Mark. The Taliban wasn't the majority. Just the ones with the guns and the willingness to use them.
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Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
We're finally able to access the Internet today for a short time. I hate to be a party pooper, but isn't there better topics to discuss than this sort of stuff?
Is there anyone out there interested in gilding, carving, layout, or making more money? We realize Letterville is a Community of people who know each other as real friends. I don't want to interfere with the flow of info in Letterville, but I do sometimes wonder if we waste time and energy posting about stuff that has nothing to do with our lives as Letterheads..
Posted by William DeBekker (Member # 3848) on :
WAY TO GO OP.. See WHAT YOU STARTED.. What a S H I T Head
Posted by Dana Blair (Member # 951) on :
E - Past and present. Drugs and alcohol are for people that can't deal with reality!
Posted by Michael R. Bendel (Member # 5847) on :
I've seen only buds... (my friends showed me once), ... how many leaves? I care not.
I believe in individual choice, as long as you hurt only your brain/skull.
The way we're going, we'll have to buy a permit & pass a head to foot inspection before leaving the house! Posted by Tim Whitcher (Member # 685) on :
It ceases to amaze me that another OT post gets more response than any sign business post. I rarely ever read OT posts, because they're usually more BS than OT. As far as pot being promoted as a legit drug for easing chemo, why isn't it feasible to just harness the THC (the active ingredient) and dispense it in a controlled dose pill form? Me thinks the "Legalize Pot so I can Get Wasted" lobby may be behind this (it would probably be legal my now, but they keep forgeting / lose interest in what they're fighting for). Pot today is a problem. The pot sold today is up to 1,000 times more potent than that crap we smoked in the '70s. It's a proven fact that permanent damage is caused to the nervous system, and that pot is psychologically addictive. Anyways, I left all that stuff behind when I finally grew up at age 27 (20 years ago) and I don't miss any of it. Need recreation? Take up golf.
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
Tim, proven fact?
Glen would you give alcohol to a minor? at 21 people are considered adults, adults can make their own discissions. I would not 'give' drugs to my child at any age, but when they became adults, I would let them make their own choice.
heres some more stat:
alcohol related deaths every year equal more than cocaine, herion, and marijuana combined.
caffinee is much more addictive than marijuana
[ October 13, 2006, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: captain ken ]
Posted by Frank Smith (Member # 146) on :
Age 27? I quit smokin tobacco then; hardest drug of all to quit... I was still young and rebellious and don't ask where I found the willpower to quit then.
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
Right on Frank, I quit the evil weed (tobacco) 7 years ago, cold turkey
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Amazing is what I'd say to all of you folks who believe you have grown up when in fact you've just gotten different priorities from when you were younger. 5 or 10 minutes on the Internet isn't researching anything and your proven facts are simply another persons stretched idea of the truth. Here in Oregon where one persons welfare is taken to mean something other then just being another taxpayer, there is prescription marijuana and the right to grow and hold a little more then Willy had on his bus when he got the ticket. If marijuana attacks the nervous system why on earth would my lines be straighter then yours and why would our state offer this herb to the many who are either sick or have a problem with arthritis, glaucoma or cancer among the many diseases which can get you a prescription and believe me, Oregon isn't the only state to offer this. Whether you believe you have grown up and out of this marijuana state of mind has nothing to do with the many who have been helped by this herb. Real drugs are the killers here on this planet whether legal or illegal, drugs like prescription which are given freely in schools to children who teachers consider them to be hyperactive when in general they are just being kids. Prescription drugs are taken by almost everyone for something whether or not you just call them Meds. This reminds me of the persons who use a hardener in your paint not caring that the materials name is actually Isocyanate, which does attack the nervous sytem and has killed more then one person from its usage.
Put your priorities where they belong, learn the facts for yourself and leave the bull**** in the field where it belongs.
At the MicroMeet this past month I felt weak but I was there and hand striped lines so thin and straight I could have passed for God.
P.S. Don't respond to me here for I won't respond, email me all the nastys so I could print them out and read them at a later date with all my pot smoking friends who many of you know as great craftsmen and probably own their videos as well.
Adios
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
quote:Glen would you give alcohol to a minor?
Nope. I don't drink alcohol.
quote: at 21 people are considered adults, adults can make their own discissions.
Yep. And for 85,000 of them in the US, it was a bad one. Why are some so desperate to make it worse?
Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
can't we all just get a bong?
[ October 14, 2006, 08:47 AM: Message edited by: KARYN BUSH ]
Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
It's been twenty five years since I quit smoking dope. I used to think lettering while stoned was the only way to go. I certainly came out with some unique out of the box layouts. Everything had swashes and decorative connecting strokes also.
I live in a community where it's legal to carry and grow, and it's no big deal. The police go after the meth labs and that's where the forfeture money comes from. One of the cop cars, painted black and white with emblems on the doors is a Corvette that was obtained that way. I lettered it. They use it to remind the community.
Do you think that your designs are improved when loaded? Can you letter faster or nicer? How 'bout color mixing? How "bout seeing what you did yesterday and needing to re do parts or change colors that worked then? Or needing to re-sell it to the surprised customer?
Posted by Tim Whitcher (Member # 685) on :
Joey, the nervous system controls more than how straight you pull lines. A good friend of mine was a heavy pot user, and his reaction times are so poor that I refuse to ride in a car with him. His attention span is so short that he'll lose his place during phone conversations. The poor guy hasn't been able to hold down a job since '89. That's enuff to keep me off the sh*t.
Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
so because your friend abused pot and hasn't been able to hold down a job since 89 means what exactly? i'd venture to say he has alot of other issues unrelated to pot. and like i said previously...there are plenty of intelligent, successful, productive people in our society that indulge in a dry cocktail...not everyone abuses it. its like any other thing out there that can be abused...cigs, alcohol, drugs, caffine, food, sex...let's get real here people. i think the main focus to most of us that may indulge is the breaking the law part....it should not be illegal to grow or obtain for your own personal use...period. no one here is saying hey its cool man get your 16 y/o kid high. Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
quote: no one here is saying hey its cool man get your 16 y/o kid high.
No one suggested that it was. You missed the point.
BTW, I've met parents who did celebrate their kid's 16th birthday by giving them their first joint. If pot is just harmless fun, what's wrong with doing that? Why wouldn't you do it?
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Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
talk about missing the point...
you don't understand the whole concept of reponsible adults making their own decissions? giving any type of drugs or alcohol to a 16 yo is not and would not be cool, in fact a repeal of prohibition would put it in the same exact catagory as acohol, a minor in pocession would still be illegal, buy or supplying it to a minor would be illegal. I think you are quoting yourself when you say "harmless fun" then you go pint out the single case of death by overdose... alcohol is far from harmless and thousands of idiots abuse it, but 100s of thousands partake in a glass of wine with dinner or 2-3 beers with the boys after work. These are what you would call responsible alcohol users. Should we reinstate the prohibition on alcohol becasue of the idiots using it? And take it away from the reposible users? Lets face it marijuana is readily available to anyone in any state, and if you want to use it, your gonna, regardless of where you buy it. By decriminalizing it your not going to make the problem worse, or make more peope use it, don't worry this world wont turn into Tim's burn out buddy, I believe marijuana use would stay about the same, legal or illegal.
It is a proven fact, idiots are everywhere, some use alcohol, some use marijuana, some are just idiots.
[ October 14, 2006, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: captain ken ]
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
No, actually I addressed that point earlier. You even commented on it, Ken.
If people should be allowed to grow pot for their personal use only, why not poppy so you can make your own heroin? The goal is the same in both cases is it not? And if we are doing it to our own bodies, who's to tell us that we can't. Right?
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Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
umm... Glen, herion kills. man your thick. 1 dose of herion can kill you dead, it is physically addictive, and will kill you.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
So what. Its still my body. That's what I'm told by the Pro-Pot crowd. Right?
Ken, it bothers me when people try to tell me that pot is harmless and that it doesn't hurt anybody.
The reason why it bothers me is because I know its a lie that is repeated over and over by people who want it to be true.
Addictive. Impaired memory. Reduced faculties. Increased anxiety and paranoia. Impaired judgement. Impaired muscle coordination. Reduced ability to fight off infections. Increased heart rate. Increased exposure to Benzyprene. Impaired reproductive system.
No, its not harmful at all.
How many people addicted to hard drugs started off with a little harmless pot? According to Lancet, which you referenced earlier, as well as several other studies have shown that people who smoke pot are 85 times more likely to move on to harder drugs. The reason being that you body builds up an immunity to the effects of pot as time goes by thereby requiring you to smoke more and more to get the same effect. After a while, the temptation to try something else becomes to great. Then you're really screwed.
Is pot additive? Why not ask the 120,000 people who specifically seek treatment for pot addiction every year.
Sure, we laugh and make jokes about it. Taking drugs so that we can alter our perceptions and give up control of ourselves is an intelligent thing to do. Yeah. Its real fun. Everybody should do it. The "responsible" drug user". Its a real party.
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[ October 14, 2006, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
People! People!
All types of drugs have been present from day ONE!. From the 'Apple' to Today! "The Apple" was an aphrodisiac.
There hasn't been a plant that,.'Smoked','Cooked' or 'Ingested' to the present time ,"That Mankind" hasn't tried.
All things have an attribute to the needs of people around the world.
[ October 14, 2006, 06:52 PM: Message edited by: Stephen Deveau ]
Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
wow you really don't get it, do you glen....
we'll just agree to disagree because our(me, ken & joey) minds are not wired the same as yours. thank god!
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
No Karen. The problem is that I do get it.
Still love ya.
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[ October 14, 2006, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
After 20 years of study, the California Attorney General's panel concluded in 1989 that "an objective consideration shows that cannabis is responsible for less damage to the individual and society than alcohol and cigarettes." The U. S. Shafer Commission Report, one of the most comprehensive studies ever done on the subject, found that cannabis smokers "tend to be under-represented" in violent crime, "especially when compared to users of alcohol, amphetamines and barbiturates." The simple fact is that cannabis does not change your basic personality. The claims of marijuana dangerousness do not hold up. Over the years, the same conclusions have been reached by numerous official commissions, including the LaGuardia Commission in 1944, the National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse in 1972, the National Academy of Sciences in 1972, the National Academy of Sciences in 1982, and, in 1999, the Institute of Medicine. The federal government reports that tens of millions of Americans have smoked it - - possibly including some of the nicest people you know.
[ October 14, 2006, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: Joey Madden ]
Posted by Carl Wood (Member # 1223) on :
D - & Glenn, after 30 yrs. my body still has not built up an immunity to it - that's false.
[ October 14, 2006, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: Carl Wood ]
Posted by Raymond Chapman (Member # 361) on :
I'll just be content with getting high on the stuff that Sawatzky has.
Posted by Kelly Thorson (Member # 2958) on :
Hey Ray, how come there are so many dopey posts? What is that a sign of? Posted by Dan Sawatzky (Member # 88) on :
For the record Raymond, I've never tried smoking anything. Drugs hold no appeal to me... not even the prescription kind. And I don't drink as I like to stay totally in control of me... just imagine me on drugs!
I'm just high on life!
-grampa dan
Posted by Alicia B. Jennings (Member # 1272) on :
At the present time the only thing I do is drink about 6oz. of wine every nite to make me go to sleep. And as for Dan Sawstzky on drugs,,,,I shutter at the thought.
Posted by Bruce Williams (Member # 691) on :
The "Drug Problem" is that's been a problem for so long, and doesn't get any better. The War on Drugs is a replay of the Prohibition in the US, but on a much larger, longer scale.
Alcohol was prohibited in 1918 by Constitutional referendum. At the time, alcohol was also illegal in most of the states. So, lots and lots of people were against alcohol. The head of the federal enforcement agency actually believed he'd stamp it out in a few months. We know how that turned out: Gang warfare. Not only among the Chicago Mob and the Mafia, but all over the country. Ordinary folks, going about their business, would walk into a gunfight. It took our grandfathers just under 14 years to realize that the Prohibition was worse than alcohol, so then ended it in 1932. Our generation has not learned that lesson.
Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
I normally don’t comment on “OT” posts, but I have to put in my 2¢ on this one
I’m a current tobacco smoker, occasionally drink alcohol and a former “pothead”. I’d probably still smoke a little weed now and then - if it was legal. But, since my wife works for the State Attorney General’s Office, I’ll stick to the legal stuff and keep the tobacco farmers in business. It’s probably one of the few products where everything still made in the USA
Since when is our government concerned about our health and welfare? If this were true, there would be stricter enforcement of driving laws. Alcohol, tobacco, caffeine and firearms would be banned. There would be no violence on TV and nearly 30% of our medical practitioners would have to be barred from practice. And this would be just the beginning.
The argument that the reason why marijuana is still illegal in most states is because it’s dangerous, addictive or whatnot is ludicrous at best. There are too many “legal” consumer products that can be described in the same way as marijuana. Drinking beer and wine is mind altering, and it can lead to hard liquor. The same can be said about taking over the counter medications, but their not banned either.
There are many “legal” way to cause harm to yourself and others. And it doesn’t have to be while you’re under the influence of a controlled substance either. In today’s society there are plenty of opportunities to maim or kill using items that can purchased in just about any mall or toy store. And people have used these items, intentionally or unintentionally to do just that. But, since you can’t legislate stupidity, people are going to get hurt and die no matter what laws you make up.
If it was made legal, yes, there probably would be an increase in problems within our society, but not for long. Once the fad of “it’s cool to do this” is over, problems would go down again. I feel that the same can be said about eliminating the drinking age and allowing “minors” to drink alcohol too. Let’s face it, the reason why the younger generation “experiments” with these items is because we’re told not to. I know that’s the reason for me to try it.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but there’s something bigger going on that we may not be aware of. In a world where we have teachers, priest, politicians, and other people of authority molesting children; cops that are worse than the criminals they arrest; and corporate figures more corrupt than drug dealers, you would think that “we the people” would focus on these important issues, instead of crucifying someone who wants to light up.
Like I said, I have my theories, but I’ll keep those and my proposed solutions to myself. So, unless Newt Gingrich comes back out of the closet to support NORML again and pot smoking is finally made legal, I’ll be a responsible person and abide by the laws in place now.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
right on man!
Posted by Raymond Chapman (Member # 361) on :
Just to clear the air - I had no intention of saying that Dan used any kind of drugs...just the opposite. Dan is high on life. His attitude does not need any artificial stimulate.
I want to be able to see life just in the same way. Sawatzky has found the secret. And it has nothing to do with what you smoke, snort, eat or inject.
And by the way, Kelly...are you calling my posts dopey?
Posted by Ricky Jackson (Member # 5082) on :
I have to chime in here. I bet there's not a person on here that's smoked more pot or hashish than me - period. I used to pride myself that I could smoke all my friends under the table. As far as it being adictive, that is total bullcrap; it is NOT adictive - proven fact. 1,000 times stronger today? And you believe that? I'll have some of what you're smoking! Yes, some of the stuff is a little better today; mostly due to genetic research and removing the male plants from the females, creating sensemia but that's been done at least since the 70's. Yes it does affect the short term memory but the effect is only temporary. I've smoked hash that was so powerful that I puked my guts out. I shared a toothpick thick joint with 5 friends once and we only got one toke each and we could barely function. It was at work and they laughed me silly when I pulled out the tiny little joint. It was pure Accopulco gold, LOL. I've smoked with valedictorians, my senior class president, cops, and many others and they are now responsible, highly intelligent, focused people.
You want to know what's really going on? Whenever Washington declares "war on drugs; war on poverty; war on Albania; etc." it is actually invoking the War Powers Act. How else do you think the Constitution can be suspended? There is *never* not a "war" on something; they have the powers and they are not giving it back. Am I a conspiracy theorist? No, I know my facts and whereof I speak. Think about the mass hysteria it creates when law enforcement talks about the drug problem and how they need more money, manpower, invasive equipment, "powers" (abuses to your rights under the Constitution). With people believing every word coming out of the TV, or what they read in the papers, they take it at full face value "it must be true because it's on TV". Are you sheep? Can you not make up your own mind? Can you not reason objectively without your thoughts being tainted with propaganda? America needs to wake up; we are the laughing stock of the world because THEY know more about what is really going on in our country than we do. We are fed exactly what the govt wants us to know and led to believe. They control our minds, what we see, read, hear and believe. There are many preferential forms of delivery for tetrahydracanibitols including vaporization but I don't see anybody pitching a fit about people smoking 2 packs of cigs a day; what's the big deal about someone taking a couple of hits a day, week, month or year? Get a grip people; this is not kryptonite and nobody that smokes pot is going to force feed it to their newborns. If you don't know what you're talking about then just stay out of the conversation and not flaunt your ignorance. I respect you and your opinions; just give everyone else the same consideration, regardless of where they stand on this.
Posted by Kelly Thorson (Member # 2958) on :
Ray - no.....not yours. Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
So, I suppose the Rand Foundation, Lancet, the CDC, University of Michigan, Dutch Ministry of Health, American Journal of Public Health, The American Sociological Association, Center for Addiction and Drug Abuse, CEDRO, The University of Iowa College of Medicine, Brown University, CESAR and others must all be part of a government conspiracy and don't know squat about what they're talking about.
We are the government. All your thought are belong to us. You will obey. All glory to the Hypnotoad.
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
boy i leave for 3 days....and the PEOPLE WHO DO NT OR NEVER DID DRUGS...are all experts of the AFFECT OF DRUGS on society.))))) i didnt want a war with the ones who dont....i was gona follow it up with look how many of the REALLY TALENTED ones here...DID.....smoke. i was not tryin to start anything.....
Posted by Kristie Byrnes (Member # 3510) on :
my personal experience...My ex was a heavy pot smoker, as were all his friends. 1st thing when he got up to last thing before he went to bed. Wasn't quite that much when we 1st got married, or maybe then I didn't realize it. young and in love ya know, thinkin it would all be okay. When he ran out and couldn't find any until the dealers re-upped, he was an absolute bitch to live with. I'm like Dan and get high on life. We got divorced after 10 yrs, been divorced from him for 13 yrs. My life has improved greatly through determination to make it, whereas him has stayed the same...he even recently quit his union job due to drug testing. We have 2 boys, 1 is 17, a great kid into sports and all, the other recently out of the army. they lived with me (no support from him, alot of guilt trips) and I'm glad as of so far they are not following their dad's lead. Idon't really care if people think it's ok, for me I'm glad it's not a part of my life. And a final note, I'm not passing judgement on anyone, just my experience with pot.
Posted by Brian Snyder (Member # 41) on :
I've always been curious why there are so many people who fight to keep marijuana illegal but there are very few calling for the gov't to criminalize alcohol consumption. Its difficult for me to see the difference between the two drugs. Having experienced the effects of both drugs my personal perspective is that this country would be a far better place to live if everyone who got drunk were stoned instead.
Posted by Brian Snyder (Member # 41) on :
Kristie- Do you think anything would have been different if alcohol were his drug of choice?
Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
Hey Glenn, I think you missed my point. We're dealing with a bunch of hypocrites. By no means am I calling marijuana a safe drug without side effects. However, I’m sure if I checked out all of your sources that say it’s bad, you would find that they would say the same about any number of legal substances that are just as, if not more, dangerous than pot. Why do you think printed ads for prescription medications require a full page+ to list all of the disclaimers related to the addictive drug they’re pushing. The only difference between them and marijuana is that some lobby group bought enough politicians to make or keep these other controlled substances legal. And for the record, I always love a good debate
Havin' fun,
Checkers
Posted by W. R. Pickett (Member # 3842) on :
...Why do so many people who have never tried pot, HATE it so much? (...and why do so many who have tasted, totally LOVE it?) ...and WHY do some people want so badly to impose and enforce their morals on others.
...Other than our misdirected law enforcement, It's LEGAL drugs, and the companys that make them that are really destroying lives. Weed is illegal because the tobacco, booze and perscription drug industrys and religious instutions do NOT want it to be legal. They know that If it was, it would become "the drug of choice".
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Hey OP, does that mean I have to shoot myself in the leg to know its going to hurt?
Brian, I didn't miss the point. All of the arguements about alcohol to caffeine make a point about drugs. The difference is that pot is a psychoactive. Alcohol and Caffeine are not. I can drink a can of beer or a glass of wine and not be drunk. Its only when you drink in excess of what your body can process does that happen. Pot is different. All it takes is one hit to feel the effects.
I look at the damage that alcohol has done. I've lost friends and family to alcohol in one form or another. Why we insist on telling ourselves and our friends that Pot is harmless is beyond me. It is addictive. It has been proven to be so. Over 85,000 people go into rehab for marijuana addiction every year in the US alone.
As for Government control conspiracies, I have to chuckle. We fret over "Big Tobacco" and the power it gives to politicians. Meanwhile, the same people whine about power and money in Washington are the same ones who use the taxation and regulation arguement to get Government to make pot legal . Do these same people think that some "Big Pot" lobby won't crop up pumping money into politicians' pockets just like tobacco? I mean, come one people. Stop tok'n and think with what brain cells you have left.
So far I have been told that Pot is non-toxic. That is patently false.
So far I have been told that no one has ever died from Pot. Again, not true.
So far I've been told that the body doesn't build up an immunity to the effect of pot. Again, not true.
Joey likes to point out that "an objective consideration shows that cannabis is responsible for less damage to the individual and society than alcohol and cigarettes." Well of course. No one uses pot as much as alcohol or cigs because pot is illegal thereby not having a big an impact. Do we really have to legalize pot and wait for it to reach the level of alcohol and cigs before we consider it a reasonable danger? Can't we excersize a little common sense? Is that too much to ask without people getting their panties in a twist and accusing others of being judgemental?
All I know is that as a society, given the number of people killed or addicted to alcohol, what sense does it make to compound the problem by legalizing and promoting a psychoactive as something harmless? There's a reason why smoking pot is called "getting stupid." I'm just surprised at how many are desperate to promote and defend it.
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Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
quote:Weed is illegal because the tobacco, booze and perscription drug industrys and religious instutions do NOT want it to be legal. They know that If it was, it would become "the drug of choice".
Oh brother. The tobacco, booze and pharmaceutical industries would be the first to market it if they thought they could make a dime. Lawyers would love it if it were legal because of potential suits that would incur. Just look at the money they've been squeezing out of tobacco.
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
GLENN...we been down this road before and you have such a narrowminded view of the world...that for you yea...maybe if you shot youre self in the foot...for real(instead of doin so with words here) you might see how really how somebody has ZERO KNOWLEGDE of drugs this would be you...took a lighthearted thread of one YOU had the choice of either participating in or not, but choose to hijack it to FIT YOURE MORAL/POLITICAL/SOCIAL viewpoint WHEN IT DIDNT HAVE TO BE....go get on youre high horse somewhere else.....most here are grown people who have long since made DECISIONS of how they would be..without youre SOAPBOXING MORALISTIC VEIWPOINT!!!!! such arrogance....you should get a MINISTERS CERTIFICATE... then youi would have like minded captive audiance.
Posted by Kristie Byrnes (Member # 3510) on :
hey brian... he probably would have been more of an a** with only alcohol and no pot...heehee. His personality warranted it I guess. I have friends who do smoke, and I really don't care, I just don't. And because it is illegal, I'm glad my kids don't. Drinking can be bad too...I lost a brother who was in an alcohol related accident. But I like a drink occasionally.
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
quote:Originally posted by old paint: GLENN...we been down this road before and you have such a narrowminded view of the world...that for you yea...maybe if you shot youre self in the foot...for real(instead of doin so with words here) you might see how really how somebody has ZERO KNOWLEGDE of drugs this would be you...took a lighthearted thread of one YOU had the choice of either participating in or not, but choose to hijack it to FIT YOURE MORAL/POLITICAL/SOCIAL viewpoint WHEN IT DIDNT HAVE TO BE....go get on youre high horse somewhere else.....most here are grown people who have long since made DECISIONS of how they would be..without youre SOAPBOXING MORALISTIC VEIWPOINT!!!!! such arrogance....you should get a MINISTERS CERTIFICATE... then youi would have like minded captive audiance.
Well OP, if you don't like it, stop posting Off Topic posts that have nothing to do with Signs. Otherwise, quit your whining, smile and do something useful for a change.
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Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
You have some valid points Glenn, but you're still applying a double standard. Even though caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, and, yes, even sugar may not be immediately psychoactive, they are all mood altering, addictive and readily available. The same can be said about a lot of prescription drugs too. So, rhetorically speaking, who are you to arbitrarily judge what is right or wrong when comparing two equally addictive and damaging drugs? Are you going to take the word of some school that can benefit from your decision, or corporate interest that makes a contribution to your political campaign? "Exercising common sense" doesn't fly. If everyone had common sense, our government would not be in the shape it is in now, and hundreds of thousands people would NOT die each year because of their own or another’s carelessness. Doctors wouldn't amputate the wrong leg of a patient; politicians wouldn't be sending suggestive letters to congressional pages'; teachers wouldn't be sleeping with their grade school students; and alcoholics wouldn't drive drunk. And I don't even have to investigate to find that most of these atrocities occur while these people are abusing or addicted to some sort of legal and sometimes mind altering substance. I want to know who these "big pot lobbyists" are. The problem with that theory is that none of the drug or tobacco companies would even entertain getting into the manufacturing or growing of marijuana. There would be no money in it because users will simply choose not to buy the commercially available product when they can grow their own. And this is where the problem lies. Our government’s addiction to taxes will forbid the growing of pot without some sort of control and taxation. As a nation, we need to worry more about our own actions as individuals and accept the consequences of them, instead of trying to influence and judge the actions of others. When this finally happens, the world would be a much better place.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
Posted by Jon Aston (Member # 1725) on :
Just thought that this might be useful to anyone who hasn't read this thread in it's entirety...
quote:Originally posted by Steve Shortreed: We're finally able to access the Internet today for a short time. I hate to be a party pooper, but isn't there better topics to discuss than this sort of stuff?
Is there anyone out there interested in gilding, carving, layout, or making more money? We realize Letterville is a Community of people who know each other as real friends. I don't want to interfere with the flow of info in Letterville, but I do sometimes wonder if we waste time and energy posting about stuff that has nothing to do with our lives as Letterheads..
[ October 15, 2006, 11:43 PM: Message edited by: Jon Aston ]
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Brian,
Its the medical community that has defined what is and what is not psychoactive. As such, there is no double standard.
quote:So, rhetorically speaking, who are you to arbitrarily judge what is right or wrong when comparing two equally addictive and damaging drugs?
Ignoring the flaw in the arguement, I'm an American citizen with with the right to vote my conscience on what is best for this nation, the same as you.
quote:"Exercising common sense" doesn't fly. If everyone had common sense, our government would not be in the shape it is in now, and hundreds of thousands people would NOT die each year because of their own or another’s carelessness.
I disagree. I don't think the problem is a lack of common sense. I think the problem is that people choose to ignore it when it conflicts with their desires.
quote:I want to know who these "big pot lobbyists" are.
Legalize pot and you will.
quote:. The problem with that theory is that none of the drug or tobacco companies would even entertain getting into the manufacturing or growing of marijuana.
If there is money to be made, you can bet they will.
quote:There would be no money in it because users will simply choose not to buy the commercially available product when they can grow their own.
Just like people people who grow their own tobacco for their own cigarettes or corn to make their own whiskey? Lets not forget the lessons of the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794.
quote:Our government’s addiction to taxes will forbid the growing of pot without some sort of control and taxation.
Which is why companies will be able to profitably sell their own pot. They can afford the lawyers and licenses.
quote:s a nation, we need to worry more about our own actions as individuals and accept the consequences of them, instead of trying to influence and judge the actions of others.
But isn't that what you are trying to do by debating this?
I'm not judging the individual. I've not said anything personal to anyone in this debate, unlike some have to me. But, I am judging the wisdom of promoting a psychoactive drug (as defined by the medical and scientific community) as something harmless and non-toxic.
I also think the world would be a better place if we would remain sober and as Dan said, "Get high on Life."
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[ October 15, 2006, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
Well OP, if you don't like it, stop posting Off Topic posts that have nothing to do with Signs. Otherwise, quit your whining, smile and do something useful for a change. BUT IF YOU WOULD STOP....SO WOULD THIS...BOZO....youre like the arsonist...who love to watch fires HE SETS!!!
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Resorting to name calling, OP?
Bozo?
Tsk tsk.
How dare I have an opinion different than yours and actually express it without your permission.
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
The statement on the opposite side is false. (over) The statement on the opposite side is true.
Oh, my ego. It hurts..........
Lets go P A I N T some signs.
Jack
Posted by Dusty Campbell (Member # 4601) on :
Bozo? I think I saw him at the Circus.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Glenn - it's obvious the few of us who don't agree with dope use on this site aren't going to change any minds here.
I say, we've made our argument and we'll get no concessions from the users (although I've personally agreed that medicinal use, if proven is perfectly acceptable to me with a doctors script - yet we're the closed minded ones )
I say, let's drop it...and let the users exclaim how right they are to the authorities when they get nabbed and see how far 'being right' gets them in light of the laws that society has currently set forth.
People can do anything they want...and if they're actions result in a predetermined result...then I guess they have nothing to complain about. Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
Boy Glenn, you would make a great politician. You actually make the double standard sound like a good thing.
Here are a couple of quotes for ya…
psy•cho•ac•tive (sk-ktv) adj. Affecting the mind or mental processes. Used of a drug.
So, from what I gather of the stance that you take, all mind altering compounds should be illegal. Would it be safe to assume you would also want to ban all psychoactive, psychotropic, and benzodiazepines, like lithium, Ritalin and Prozac too? These are drugs that are used to alter or control the minds chemistry that are commonly prescribed and widely abused.
If this is what you believe in, this debate is over because you stand for what you believe in, and I can’t argue that.
If not, then you are what most would call a hypocrite. Because you’re saying that using (and abusing) a drug is ok by you because it is legal and prescribed by a doctor. However, a drug (can be grown for nearly nothing) that provides similar treatment and causes the same dangerous and mind altering side effects as a prescription drug should not be legal, only because it doesn’t have FDA approval.
The people “choose to ignore a problem” are the same ones that apparently are making money off the drugs they push. And the only difference between them and the drug dealer on the street is their drugs come with warning labels that state these legal drugs can be mood altering, addictive and have some serious side effects that can kill you. And as I mentioned earlier, I won’t argue that about pot.
And, there are reports that date back to the 1940’s that clearly state that marijuana had fewer side effects than alcohol, however our government chose to suppress them because it wasn’t the answer they wanted to hear… http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/lag/lagmenu.htm
Although somewhat dated, here’s one last note… • Holland: The 1972 Baan-report suggested tolerating marijuana and to separate markets for marijuana and for hard drugs, which actually happened in 1976. Today, after 23 years of open marijuana sales in coffee shops, not only are there fewer problems with hard drugs but marijuana use rates are also low: Only 3% of the Dutch population smoke marijuana, vs. 5% in the USA where laws are still strict. "Dutch teenagers get among the highest scores in the world on international science and mathematics tests. If there are serious problems caused by legalizing marijuana, then twenty-plus years of the Dutch experiment has not revealed what they are." (New Scientist http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/drugs-alcohol/) Unfortunately the original link now requires a paid subscription so I altered it a little. There is a lot of good reading, pro and con on this site.
Oh well, the weekend is over and it's time to get back to work. I hate to admit it, but this was fun
Checkers
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
A politician?! Why that's worse than calling me Bozo!!!
hehehhehe....
I'm familiar with the New Scientist article and there is some additional data that was left out of the study they referenced. But, I'll have to get back to you about it later tonight. The new help I hired didn't show up for work this morning. Its a good thing I worked Saturday and Sunday or I'd be up a creek right now.
In the meantime, for those of you following this thread with much amusement (and you know who you are) Click Here. Some of you might recognize it.
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[ October 16, 2006, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by Ricky Jackson (Member # 5082) on :
Come on guys, lets just agree to disagree without being disagreable. It's obvious nobody on either side is going to change the mind of or enlighten the other side so it's my vote to just drop it. I gave my opinion and what I know to be true and I'm not going to stoop to answering the cynicism. Why cast your pearls before swine?
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
Hey hog..... Who you callin' swine?
This thing is just gettin' warmed up.
Jack
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
huh?
I think I need an english to pothead dictonary
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Well, I had one but it was printed on hemp paper. OP found it and smoked it.
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Posted by jake snow (Member # 5889) on :
Hey Ricky, didn't you "cast" some "swine" around 1:00am sunday morning? Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
"Glenn - it's obvious the few of us who don't agree with dope use on this site aren't going to change any minds here" TODDS 1ST INTELIGENT STATEMENT...."Well, I had one but it was printed on hemp paper. OP found it and smoked it." again you dont know what your talkin bout, the hemp they use for clothes & paper is not the same plant you smoke. glennie...BOZO IS A CLOWN....take it exactly as it was ment.....and you need a new act...you could move to CLARABELL.....he was funny clown....yours is like a clown act...we all get a laugh at you but it relly never was a memeorable show.
[ October 16, 2006, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
More personal attacks, OP?
BTW, the hemp paper comment was a joke. And to think I'm the one accused of not having a sense of humor. Geez.
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[ October 16, 2006, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: Glenn Taylor ]
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
iam done if you are.............
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
With what? A sense of humor?
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Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
quote:TODDS 1ST INTELIGENT STATEMENT
Don't I get a gold star or anything?? OP, the laureate of all knowledge has certified me worthy.
quote:iam done if you are
It's not done till it's well-done.
[ October 16, 2006, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]
Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
huh?
Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
Hey Capn'
Yer from MA, get out that pitchfork And stick it in something or somebody and see if it's well done?
CrazyJack
I drink the hot grease from the fryin pan! Ain't no hain't gone scare me away.......
Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
ken.... 'ere kmmmmmmmmmmkmmmm
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
So, it is time for some chinese, then?
Posted by KARYN BUSH (Member # 1948) on :
why yes it is bruce...my treat tonite. Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
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