She's a 69 Dodge Dart that he's going to put a 440 Hemi in. We already go to the track with his 72 Opel. But he assures me that he won't get "carried away" with this one. It's going to be a street car, a sleeper. I said "yeah right, like the Opel". (It was going to be a street car -and still is if you take out the roll cage, the parachute, the 8 point harness etc.etc.etc.) I told him this buying of the vehicles had better not become a habit. But it keeps him happy and out of trouble. What makes him happy makes me .
Posted by Eric McDowell (Member # 6857) on :
You might have your numbers a little mixed up. If it's a hemi it should be a 426. A 440 would be a wedge unless it has stage V hemi heads. Not really trying to nitpick.
Posted by Rick Beisiegel (Member # 3723) on :
Pictures?
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Don't forget the Hemi motors of the 50's. On the smaller side but potent none-the-less.
I want to see pictures. I like pictures. It sure beats reading.
LOL!
Posted by Deri Russell (Member # 119) on :
I'm tryin but I keep getting an internal error message. I will try again later guys.
Posted by Randy Campbell (Member # 2675) on :
The new 5.7 Hemi may fit better.
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Putn' ANY Hemi into a late 60's Dart is more than a weekend chore!!! Lots of modifications have to be performed, one being, cutting a hole thru oilpan to provide for drag link to front end, the thingie that helps you steer car.... Past experience in that area would be to put a 440 wedge into it, OR!!! A potent small block, say 318/273; built right, they'll smoke the big blocks.....and ride right, large motors tend to make small cars plow when turned..... Randy, cost of new one will keep many away from that swap, AND!!! they're not hotrod friendly, in fact, their junk!!! The all around best Hemi is still the 426 out of the 60's..... Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
Mopar? put a real motor in it Chevy 350, thats all you need
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
A Dart of that era had all 3 of the Mopar motors, small block, big block and hemi in it directly from the factory as the later A bodies 67 and up didn't get alot of over, understeer or nose dive due to the newer suspension and body style. On the other hand I have an extra 340 - W2 head - 340 roller cam small block w/ realistic horse power in the 550 range. I will be letting go of it in the near future and all the machine work had been done by Ed Hamburger himself. Right now the block and forged crank sits in a machine shop waiting its turn. Deri, it your husband definately has his mind set on a big block thats one thing but if he knows his Mopar then this might be right up his alley. My phone cell is 541.660.1092
And Ken, Chevys are like string, every yoyo gotta have one. Do your homework and you'll find that theres no substitute for real power.
Posted by Deri Russell (Member # 119) on :
I keep getting a 500 internal Server error when I try accept to get to the upload page. Or else I'd put these pictures I took this morning on. Sounds like Joey knows his Darts. And its the Hemi he's putting in. He says it will be some sort of clone car. Actually he really is a Chevy guy, this purchase is a little out of character. But "whatever blows his hair back". Anybody else getting this 500 error or is it my computer?
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
I agree with the others that a small block (Mopar) would be the way to go. Hemi's are just too heavy.
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
My first car was a '69 Dodge Dart. It had a slant 6 engine.
Posted by Tom Giampia (Member # 2007) on :
Deri, I saw a very similar car while I was installing for one of my new clients this week.
When I was growing up, I always thought of Darts as an econo-cars that could not be killed.
I guess I never saw the "Real" Darts!
Posted by Deri Russell (Member # 119) on :
That's it Tom!!! Exactly!!!- except Clare's car isn't worth that. Same colour and everything. Gosh I wish I could get an answer about this 500 Internal Server Error so I could post these pictures. Right now it has a 340 and he is replacing it with a 440. I assume that's why it is a clone car, right? I keep calling it "the gramma car" and Clare just grins.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
and although the car which Tom showed is almost original, it also may be considered a Clone car because the engine has been changed and does not have matching numbers. A Clone car is just another name for a look-alike, that's all it means, similar to a Retro.
If Clare is removing the 340 and installing a 440 then theres no reasoning with him except for the fact that he is adding unnecessary weight unless he is also installing aluminum heads. My street 340 with A/C and a 727 ran in the lower to mid 11's on 110 octane and street tires and my race motor could plummet the car into the 10's with some race suspension. Although bigger is better, Clare could stroke his 340 to 406 inches safely and run my race W2 heads and add another 100 hp just from the heads. Stroked small blocks are common these days without all the added weight of the 440 and the Hemi add even more weight to push.
My car is a bonified sleeper from the exterior in original Black, a 2 door hard top with Lexus leather interior, A/C, 340 F.I. roller cam, X heads @ 479 dynoed horse power and all the creature features a true and tried hot rodder can ask for and it certainly isn't for sale as I've owned it 20 years.
Posted by Deri Russell (Member # 119) on :
hehe I don't really know what he thinks it will do- his Opel is running 8.4s, 160 mph in the quarter and that's not fast enough for him- but as I say he wants this for the street- he doesn't have the time to run to the track, so I don't know Joey
BTW VERY cool car!!!!!!!
Posted by Deri Russell (Member # 119) on :
Our dear friend Kelly Thorson was gracious enough to do me the favour of posting these for me. Thanks Kel you are too
OK here goes Posted by Michael R. Bendel (Member # 5847) on :
Dat ting got a Hemi in it? SWEET!
Posted by Deri Russell (Member # 119) on :
No Micheal, right now its a Gramma Ride. 340.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Don't worry Deri..his new girlfriend might only be 37 years old, but she ain't near as good looking as you!!! Posted by Deri Russell (Member # 119) on :
Okay My husband says he hopes I do better at the bank with numbers than what I have put on here. Right now it is an automatic slant 6 leaning tower of power! And yes he is installing a heavy duty sway bar, heavy duty torsion (sp?) bars to carry the ride, and will lower the back and front just slightly. He kinda has his heart set on a 440 4 speed. He has a 440 bell housing now, clutch pedal and brake assembly, shifter and A body transmission. All he has to do is machine a collar to make the A body transmission bolt to the 440 bell housing. Although the 340 Joey mentioned kinda catches his eye too with the horsepower its pushing. He still thinks a 440 though as it is more of a one-of-a-kind ride.
(can you tell he is here telling me WTF to type?)
Posted by Deri Russell (Member # 119) on :
Thanks Dave- It's tough when you lose your hubby to another! And a younger woman at that!
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
I just can't help it, a gramma ride 340???
The 340, from '68 to '71 at least, is the smallblock equivalent of the Hemi. One of the best engines of the 1960s and 1970s for performance enthusiasts was the 340 V-8. It had high-flow heads, big ports, a two-level intake manifold, and a six-barrel option (three two-barrel carbs). The package allowed for high speed with the light weight helping handling.
The 340 cars gave away nothing to the 383 cars in a straight line, and were ahead of the 383 cars on anything involving turns — and spark plug access.
When the 340 came out in late 1967, it was a street fighter from the start.
All the above was taken from the Allpar website.
Gramma car, maybe with your slant 6. tell Clare not to forget to change the K-Frame for the big block
If ya got Skype you can add me, my name is hotlines2 and call me for free, Shortreed does.
[ October 13, 2006, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Joey Madden ]
Posted by Marty Happy (Member # 302) on :
My second car was a '76 Duster with a Slant-6 and I regret selling it. I've looked and looked for a fixable one without luck. Got enough muscle cars... I want an easy rider because 6 in a row has enough go for those long hauls!
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